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Wiring Component Speakers

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=57077
Printed Date: May 28, 2024 at 3:55 PM


Topic: Wiring Component Speakers

Posted By: exdox77
Subject: Wiring Component Speakers
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 2:03 AM

I want to install three sets of component speakers in the door panels. They are rated 100 watts rms each, would I need to wire the crossover to each speaker or just one? and would I need an amp so that I am not drawing to much power from my head unit? I am going to use one tweater from each side of the car.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:23 AM
3 sets of component speakers in each door?  Not a good idea.  You're going to end up with all sorts of cancellation and comb filtering effects and it's likely to sound like ARSE.  Your other questions concerning crossover usage and amplifier loading indicates to me that you don't know what you're doing, so I strongly suggest you take your vehicle to a good install shop and pay for some help.

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Posted By: exdox77
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:30 AM
you know it a learning experience and i would greatly apriciate it if you were to help me instead of insult me. i havnt really worked with components i usually just install subwoofers and amps.




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:37 AM
No insult intended.  Using more than one set of component speakers in the front is a bad idea.  And if you don't understand about using crossovers or amplifiers, then you should seek help from a pro in your area.  It's the same advise I'd give anyone.

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Posted By: exdox77
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:47 AM
well i am a current student seeking advice for my custom installation, i understand how to use amps in just a little new to crossovers. are you going to help or not DYohn?




Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:55 AM

i agree i have installed a few sets of components and  i would advise if you really want to do it your self get some help and you cant wire 3 sets to your head unit if your head unit is a four channel unit as far as the crossover goes if there is a crossovers with the components they need to be wired correctly if you dont understand it get help what area r you in ?

let me kow if you knoe if your not to far buy chance i will help u Adam



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:58 AM

OK, first of all what is the gear?  What HU?  What component speakers are you planning to use?  What amp will you use with them?  Can you do fabrication like kick panels aor do you plan to use factory locations?  What vehicle?  Is the electrical system stock or upgraded?  Is there a sub in the vehicle?



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Posted By: exdox77
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 1:26 PM

The HU is a panasonic 200 watts and the components are blaupunkt Vc540 at 100 watts im not sure on the amp yet what do you recommend. As far as the fabrication goes the they are fabricated in the door panels two in the front door and one in the back door. Honda Civic 4dr and i do plan on upgrading the electrical system. and no sub yet but there are plans for a sub.





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 7:21 PM

Don't worry about the power ratings you have listed, they mean nothing in this case.  If it was me I'd put one set of those Blau's in the front doors and one set in the back doors connected as a standard 4-speaker setup.  If you are saying you have already created custom door panels for the fronts, each designed to carry TWO sets of 5.25" components, I'd suggest you then have the skills to re-make or modify them and change one of the 5.25" opening to a 7" or 8" opening and add a set of dedicated woofers for mid-bass.  Use only one tweeter per door.  I would use the Panasonic head amplifier to drive the comps only as long as I absolutely had to, and would buy a good quality four channel amp for the main sets as soon as I could afford it.  Concerning the crossovers, ALWAYS use the passive crossovers that come with a component set unless you plan to bi-amp and know how to do that.  You cannot connect more than one speaker to each output on a passive crossover.  You should not need to upgrade the electrical system until you begin adding subwoofer and mains amps, and then the current requirements of those amps will determine how large an alternator you will need.  Don't waste your money on caps.

Cheers.



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Posted By: exdox77
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 9:44 PM

would 6.5" woofer be ok for the second door speaker?





Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: June 05, 2005 at 10:33 PM

You still would be defeating the purpose of a three way system with a 6.5"

A decent 6.5" mid-bass  generally can be played down to about 80 hz with some sucess, but ideally an 8" woofer is the best way to go. You will be able to fill the gap between your sub woofers and midbass that can occur.

I am sure DYohn will give you a further explanation here.



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 06, 2005 at 8:42 AM

I agree.  Most standard 6.5" car audio speakers will not gain you enough over your 5.25" to be worth it, although there is one 6.5" that I know about that plays with authority as low as most 10's, and that's Adire's Extremis 6.8.  Right now it is only available as an 8-ohm version (which is fine for car audio as long as you give it an amp that will deliver 100 watts into 8-ohms) but rumor has it there will be a 4-ohm car audio version avaiable soon.  There are other killer mid-woofers available from companies like Dynaudio, Focal, ScanSpeak, Morel, Seas, and others in the 7" to 8" range.

As dwarren suggested, I am steering you away from using multiple speakers playing the same frequencies and towards converting your 2-way components into 3-way components.  What you want to end up with is something like a subwoofer crossed over to play below 80Hz, a mid-woofer crossed between 80Hz and about 200Hz, and then your 2-way comps playing everything above 200Hz.  This will probably require an electronic crossover, or a second passive crossover for the mid-woofers, and more amps than I believe you currently have in mind.

Let us know how you decide to proceed and we can help you set it up.

Now do you see why I at first suggested you may want to go find a pro in your area to help you?



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Posted By: exdox77
Date Posted: June 06, 2005 at 11:05 AM
Thanks alot guys, you know i seeked pro help in my area but what i wanted to do was way beyond the knowledge! all they know how to do is install stereo and a sub. but i will be changing this very soon. I will let you guys know on what i decide to do i have a few things in mind to what i want so far, im trying to stay with blaupunkt since there my sponsor and there willing to work with me. so if you have any suggestions send them my way. thanks alot!





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