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Another unfair comparison by MTX

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=58745
Printed Date: November 26, 2022 at 3:11 AM


Topic: Another unfair comparison by MTX

Posted By: customsuburb
Subject: Another unfair comparison by MTX
Date Posted: July 02, 2005 at 7:01 PM

https://www.mtx.com/caraudio/headtohead/TXC.CFM 

Just another comparison where MTX stretches the truth. It looks like a bunch of teenagers wrote up the review also...




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Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: July 02, 2005 at 9:15 PM
Im a teenager and I could definatly write a better review then that!! I would never trust a head to head review from a company that made one of the products. I say all other car audio companies are shut down, after all MTX has the "best" subs, amps and speakers, so whats the point of any other companies making products??

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Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: July 02, 2005 at 9:42 PM

pimpincavy wrote:

Im a teenager and I could definatly write a better review then that!! I would never trust a head to head review from a company that made one of the products. I say all other car audio companies are shut down, after all MTX has the "best" subs, amps and speakers, so whats the point of any other companies making products??

Ok... it sounds like ten year olds wrote it. posted_image

MTX does make pretty good products but I dont like how they do their "head to head comparisons." 





Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: July 02, 2005 at 10:08 PM
I've never heard those MTX speakers, but I'd bet they wouldn't win MY head to head comparison against the Focals.

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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 02, 2005 at 10:36 PM
I saw that comparison in the newsletter I get from 12volt

I thought it was pretty rediculous whe I saw it in last month's newspaper

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Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: July 02, 2005 at 10:38 PM
Mtx makes good products at great prices, but they are certinly not the "best".

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Posted By: jdog0411
Date Posted: July 03, 2005 at 9:59 AM
I think MTX can get a little crazy sometimes. I like MTX amps, they make good stuff, but I laughed when I was reading the manual that came with my amp. In the section about troubleshooting potential problems, it had a line for "low output from subwoofers" and said  "problem: Not using MtX subwoofers. Solution: Buy MtX subwoofers"

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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 03, 2005 at 10:52 AM
customsuburb wrote:

Ok... it sounds like ten year olds wrote it. posted_image


.............my 10 year old daughter is offended....

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Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: July 03, 2005 at 12:09 PM
jdog0411 wrote:


"it had a line for "low output from subwoofers" and said "problem: Not using MtX subwoofers. Solution: Buy MtX subwoofers""



That's hilarious.

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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: July 03, 2005 at 12:54 PM

I will say that their new components do look interesting.  I wouldn't mind hearing them.  So they made the tweeter diaphragm out of Chevron's gasoline aditive? posted_image

What I would rather see to give a more accurate comparison would be frequency response measurements for all including off-axis responses and 1st, 2nd, and 3rd order distortion measurements.

So, now can we compare our mid to theirs? posted_image

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: us_test
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 1:01 PM
Steven Kephart - Chevron uses Tekron MTX uses Teteron.

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(1) RF Punch 250A2 - running the components.
(1) Hifonics 6.5" Atlas Components (18db crossovers).




Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 1:29 PM

Yeah, I know.  It was supposed to be a joke hence the posted_image.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio



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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 2:06 PM
us_test wrote:

Steven Kephart - Chevron uses Tekron MTX uses Teteron.

And as long as we're splitting hairs here, that's "Techron©" posted_image

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."




Posted By: oonikfraleyoo
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 3:20 PM
Well one thing is for sure. It's the preferred choice of true audiophiles.

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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 9:03 PM
ACtually MTX makes some damn fine subwoofers. THey have an amazingly flat frequency response from ~35hx all the way up to ~1500hz.

Take a look at the pictures of those three mid bass drivers. If you take the color of the focal, the texture of the MTX, and the dust cap of the MB quart you get a B&Wposted_image

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Posted By: us_test
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 9:18 PM

I think Focal and MB Quart (RF) should repsond to that comparison if they feel that MTX lied about anything (which they did not).  Did they make a comparison which shows off the different specs of their product (MTX) which are better than competitors, yes.  Was it setup to make MTX look like the better product, HELL YES (this is what marketing is all about, educating consumers on why they should buy from you, showing them the features which are better than the RF and MB).  Does this mean MTX is better, I don't know, I have not listened to them, but I will tell you this:  IF a cosumer has to choose between the 3 without being able to listen to them I'm pretty sure that they would go with MTX why: well MTX was able to ARTICULATE 10+ features which are better than the other 2.   They didn't just say "Come buy MTX for no particular reason just because you've heard of MTX", they were able to articulate features which are better thant the other 2 products.  So what do the other companies do they whine and complain that the features MTX showed do not make a better product and that their prodcut IS better (and guess what the FOCALs probably are better).  But I bet that a salesperson armed with this chart can sway away a lot of usual fans who heard from their friend that FOCAL of MB is the better choice (who knows even someone who owns FOCALs might be swayed) because they are building a case on hard data.  RF and FOCAL should create their own charts and show that the features MTX is showcasing are not important or that RF and MB do sound better (and show a list of features why).



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(1) Kenwood Excelon Head Unit KDC-X589 (24 bit Burr Brown DAC, 3 X 4 volt RCA).
(1) RF Punch 250A2 - running the components.
(1) Hifonics 6.5" Atlas Components (18db crossovers).




Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 9:37 PM
Unfortunately most of those things that MTX listed as being better don't really make them better.

Example, Cone type. Pff, that means NOTHING. It is the end result that makes or breaks a driver, not the individual parts. I've heard paper coned drivers that could be characterized as very sharp and somewhaat shrill, and I've heard metal drivers that sounded somewhat dull.

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Posted By: us_test
Date Posted: July 04, 2005 at 9:46 PM

That is a good point FOCAL or RF can make.  I'm into car audio.  I've installed HUs, amps, components, subwofers, made pods out of fiberglass but I don't know some of the details (what the differences are between aluminum and kevlar or whatever), and I'm sure you'd agree with me that if you do know all the terms they are talking about you already know which product is better without the chart.  But this chart is geared towards someone who is in car audio but does not have all the indepth knowledge to someone like that the chart looks really good.  A seasoned car audio fan  will just laugh at the chart and point out the problems with it.   MTX can afford to have the seasoned car audio community laugh at them about the chart because they know they are reaching and brainwashing the less knowledgeable masses (which make up 90% of their buying market).  Or the 9500 sub which took 100+ volts when the JL died long long before....now maybe the fact that the sub takes 100+ volts doesn't mean it is a good sounding sub but it seems to send the message "hey we can take more punishement, more power, we're built better then JL" and you know what JL does sound better.



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(1) Kenwood Excelon Head Unit KDC-X589 (24 bit Burr Brown DAC, 3 X 4 volt RCA).
(1) RF Punch 250A2 - running the components.
(1) Hifonics 6.5" Atlas Components (18db crossovers).





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