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Dual Voice Coils

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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Printed Date: May 11, 2024 at 1:49 PM


Topic: Dual Voice Coils

Posted By: Tegpilot
Subject: Dual Voice Coils
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 10:29 PM

Hey guys, I have a kappa 10 dvq, I previously had a topic about running this sub in paralled or series. that question was answered because i have a Alpine MRV-F357 running and it is only 4ohm stable and this sub is running 4 ohms each coil.  The suggestions were that I get a 4 ohm single coil, or 2 ohm dual sub with makes sense, but my question is what does dual voice really do for me and why not just get a single.  Obviously my Amp, although a very good one, and a bit pricy in its day 2 years ago for an average system, only puts out a small amount of power in it's fifth channel.  Anyway, can I run wattage to only one coil on a dual sub, or is that a stupid question?  thanks guys



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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 10:35 PM
Actually you CAN run only one of the voice coils if you'd like to. It will sound just fine.

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Posted By: Tegpilot
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 10:44 PM
If i only run one coil. will i then get 4ohms at the sub and 4ohms at the AMP?  if so will I get full power out of the amp?  150RMS and 300Max?  Just as if I were using a single voice coil sub??




Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 10:51 PM
yep



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Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 11:09 PM
From the JL Audio DVC tutorials:

A common misconception with regard to dual voice coil speakers is the assumption that nothing changes if you power only one of the voice coils. With only one coil hooked up, a dual voice coil speaker will suffer a loss in reference efficiency of about 3dB (only half the coil windings are being energized) as well as a significant shift in its Thiele/Small parameters. This renders any enclosure calculations inaccurate unless you remeasure the speakers parameters with only one coil hooked up. Failure to account for the different parameters of a dual voice coil speaker with only one coil powered can result in very poor performance.

https://www.jlaudio.com/tutorials/dvc/howWired.html



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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 11:15 PM
nope. THat's inaccurate. The lowered efficieny comes from the lowered power input, normally half what would be used if the VCs were wired in parallel.

As for the thiele small parameters changing. Nope. We've had this dicussion many times. There's no difference between the SVC and DVC varient.

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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 13, 2005 at 11:34 PM
You can do that.  Each of the coils is rated at 200 watts continuous, so the power issue if fine.  You may have to do some experimenting with the enclosure for best sound, so using your current box you could try filling with polyfil...or the reverse measure, glueing a solid block of wood into it...if you have to adjust the box volume.

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Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: July 14, 2005 at 2:59 AM
poormanq45 wrote:

Nope. We've had this dicussion many times. There's no difference between the SVC and DVC varient.


We did have this discussion like yesterday. *Slight* variances disregarded, I would imagine the differences between them would suddenly become rather pronouced when half the woofer is turned off.

Which i, would imagine, is why stevdart says..
stevdart wrote:

You may have to do some experimenting with the enclosure for best sound



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Posted By: Bigsingh
Date Posted: July 14, 2005 at 10:01 AM
why argue, have you ever hooked up a dual voice coil sub with just the singlew coil and then the second coil, there is a difference. i think you haveposted_image

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Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 14, 2005 at 10:12 AM
of course there's a difference. YOu're probably doubling the power when you hook up the second coil

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Posted By: Tegpilot
Date Posted: July 14, 2005 at 2:46 PM

So I guess it isn't as simple as I though.  For now, Am I gonna get more power from just hookin up one coil, or hookin it up in series and running 8ohms load on the amp.  As I understand, this will cut my power output in half.   So until I can get another sub, or a Amp wich is 2ohm stable,   witch scenario will give me the most power thanks guys!  And don't argue, the sound gods don't like it!posted_image





Posted By: Poormanq45
Date Posted: July 14, 2005 at 3:05 PM
Wire one coil to the amplifier. That'll be fine for now. And in the future if you get either a 2ohm stable mono amp or 4ohm stable 2channel amp you can hook up the other coil

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