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How Did It Blow?

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=59996
Printed Date: May 10, 2024 at 4:19 AM


Topic: How Did It Blow?

Posted By: jettagli03
Subject: How Did It Blow?
Date Posted: July 24, 2005 at 7:18 PM

I have an Orion H2 15 (2000rms 2500 peak) being run by a JBL GTO 1201.1 (1200rms) and its in a 2.5 cu ft box like manufacture says and it had over 200 hours played on it and was playing for maybe 20 minutes not even half power and when i got to my house it all of a sudden stopped and i went in my trunk and it was hard as a rock at first touch then i could hear the voice coil when i pushed it in and it was fried... HOW THE CRAP DID THAT HAPPEN? same thing happened to my Brahma with same amp... I mean its not like the amp has near enough power to blow either of these subwoofers, what possibly could have killed them? PLEASE REPLY I WANNA FIGURE OUT WHAT IM DOING WRONG!

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Posted By: furflier
Date Posted: July 24, 2005 at 8:40 PM
 Are your gains set properly? If your gains are not set right this will cause premature failure.

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Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: July 24, 2005 at 11:57 PM
i had them set low because i didnt want them too high

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Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: July 24, 2005 at 11:58 PM

how would that cause premature failure? -- im trying to learn as much as possible



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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 12:12 AM

"I had them set low"...So how exactly did you set the gain? By guessing? What about a subsonic filter, you need one with ported boxes.

www.bcae1.com #63 to the right.



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Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 12:15 AM
how are you supposed to set the gains. i've heard "matching it to the mids and crap" but how are you supposed to do taht with a 1200w rms amp? i would have to have it practically all the way down. i knew i needed a subsonic filter but the amp i already had didnt have one and i was waiting to get the money to upgrade. so how are you SUPPOSED to set the gains?

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 1:13 AM
Read the link provided.  Do a search on this forum, it's been posted hundreds of times.  Or go pay for some help from a professional car stereo shop.

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Posted By: JAydawg21
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 12:34 PM
Well, Gain setting is important, I dont really know how the failure you described could be a product of improper gain settings.  If I'm worng someone please set me straight.  A sub sonic filter would hel prevent over excursion bucasue ported boxes lose cone control at ultra low frequencies but i dont think that would effect the voice coil.  I wouild contact the manufacturer or the place you bought the sub and find out.  Please post if you find ou though

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 12:37 PM

JAydawg21 wrote:

Well, Gain setting is important, I dont really know how the failure you described could be a product of improper gain settings.  If I'm worng someone please set me straight.  A sub sonic filter would hel prevent over excursion bucasue ported boxes lose cone control at ultra low frequencies but i dont think that would effect the voice coil.  I wouild contact the manufacturer or the place you bought the sub and find out.  Please post if you find ou though

Improper gain setting can result in a severely clipped signal, which can cause the voice coil to overheat.  Same thing if the speaker experiences over-excursion (or "bottoming out.")  The voice coil can easily overheat.



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Posted By: Grkinstall
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 2:33 PM

you might need to check the amp that at certain peaks of power or random moments might be leaking voltage through the outputs which will turn that voice coil into an electric stove basically and and is heating up the voice coil way to much and is cooking it just enough to eat





Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: July 25, 2005 at 6:05 PM
so pretty much im an idiot and set the gains wrong and didnt have a subsonic filter was my problem right? i dont want this to happen again.. especially when im spending $300+ a sub and some hours of my own time making rather large wooden boxes

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Posted By: JAydawg21
Date Posted: July 26, 2005 at 10:39 AM

Well i dunno.  Im still not really convinced.  Over excursion will over heat the coil because when you push the coil hard enough to pop out of the magnet a little you lose the magnetic core, which will weaken the magnetic field around the coil which will cause it to draw more current to do the work.  Sub sonic filters cut off at   i forget acctually   around 20 or 30 hz i think.  These frequencies arent too awful common unless your pounding a lot of rap with those freq. or one of those BASS cd's.  I never really had a sub sonic problem and i have always run ported baxes with no filter, but i dopnt listen to much if any sub sonic music so i duno. 

As far as the gain goes, you said you had it set low.  yes you should properly set your gains, but with a sub that exceeds the amp specs like that and with a conservative approach, if anything your just cheating yourself from getting the most out of your amp.  Clipping could cause the coil to over heat beause your "over-driving" and amp in its saturation region which means its putting out its maximum power for a large part of the wave form.  Thats not a good thing, but if the stats you put up for the sub and amp are correct, the subs rms power handling should be able to handle that amps max output.  Plus again, if you did set your gains conservitavly like you said, even if it was clipping a little, it shouldnt have been that bad.  If its def. wired correctly (proper channels bridged, no shorts, ect)   i would go b&*ch at sumone and hopefully if it wasnt your fault get you equip replaced.  Good Luck



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'97 Jeep Cherokee sport
subs: JL 12w3v2 : RF 500a2 :
RF 1F capacitor
doors: 6" Diamond D361i -> RF 200a4





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: July 26, 2005 at 10:58 PM

Here are another couple of things to consider as well. The source material you are playing may indeed have a severely clipped signal in the recording. As you turn up the volume this clipped signal is then passed onto the amp and then the speaker. Next is how you are using the cd player, if you have the loudness turned on, the bass control turned up, then you also may be clipping the outputs of the cd player and no amount of gain setting at the amp will rid a clipped signal here.

Next is a bass boost circuit on a amp, another potential killer in disguise.

Finally and the more than likely culprit. Dude, you have to let a sub cool down. Heat is the #1 killer of any sub or speaker as it is a natural byproduct of producing power. Thus 20 minutes at a sustained volume level may just be enough to melt that coil up real good, especially if it was being fed a clipped signal to begin with.



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