MTX 22'' Jackhammer
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Printed Date: April 26, 2024 at 10:00 PM
Topic: MTX 22'' Jackhammer
Posted By: Blowntweeters
Subject: MTX 22'' Jackhammer
Date Posted: August 06, 2005 at 1:02 PM
i just bought a 92 civic hatch back for an SPL project car i have been looking at the new MTX jackhammer .my ? is will the extra work to make that sub work in a civic be worth it in the end will it produce that much more SPL than say 3 15" subs of high quality
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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 1:30 AM
Here's a link... it was discussed after it was seen at the CES this year...
Personally, a 6000 dollar, 320 pound woofer in a 2500 dollar 1100 pound car car seems a waste to me... ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 2:24 AM
Just do it. Don't let sensible people talk you out of your dreams.
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Posted By: mexi
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 2:38 AM
mtx now has a feature on there site that compares woofers. you can compare ie... 2 fifteens to one jackhammer.it gives you all the specs for each system.
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mexicang
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 7:54 AM
The problem for us is we still can't even buy that sub yet ! We're placed on a wait list for them here in Canada. Has anyone even heard this beast yet ? I'd love to get a hold of this sub to show people but in the end, I don't think I can even sell one to any of my customer's because of the cost. Hey Blowntweeters, would you buy one if I had one in stock ??  ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 9:51 AM
Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 10:12 AM
Velocity Motors wrote:
The problem for us is we still can't even buy that sub yet ! We're placed on a wait list for them here in Canada. Has anyone even heard this beast yet ? I'd love to get a hold of this sub to show people but in the end, I don't think I can even sell one to any of my customer's because of the cost. Hey Blowntweeters, would you buy one if I had one in stock ??
i would buy that sub if you had it in stock if you pay shipping ------------- 1974 ford pinto 4 15" punch Z power punch bd 1001 pioneer DEH-6700
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 10:45 AM
Blowntweeters wrote:
Velocity Motors wrote:
The problem for us is we still can't even buy that sub yet ! We're placed on a wait list for them here in Canada. Has anyone even heard this beast yet ? I'd love to get a hold of this sub to show people but in the end, I don't think I can even sell one to any of my customer's because of the cost. Hey Blowntweeters, would you buy one if I had one in stock ??
i would buy that sub if you had it in stock if you pay shipping
Now THERE'S an offer you CAN'T refuse... How many points you make on one of those things? Not anymore! ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: 03taurus
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 11:15 AM
You could also try to stuff in a Bassault-R concert sub if you want to go this route. It has 4-21" subs in it. For either set up you will need to raise your roof up and upgrade your suspension to make this fit and your vehicle driveable.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 11:13 PM
Blowntweeters wrote:
i would buy that sub if you had it in stock if you pay shipping
Shipping on 360 + pounds on weight would be pretty hefty. Where do you live? ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 11:32 PM
Personally I would never buy any piece of equipment that I would have to redo my car's suspension. Also realistically what would the size of the box be and how much power would you need to power that beast? If I can find anyone that I know that still works at mtx I might run by and try to get a picture of it.
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Posted By: Asmodeus
Date Posted: August 07, 2005 at 11:33 PM
I saw them use the jackhammer on Pimp My Ride tonight...I watched just so I could see the sub....Gotta hand it to mtx for creating a Monster like that.... They had to build a Steel support system just to hold the thing in place...They were using a cherry picker to put it in the car... I dont have the money but I would love to buy one just to play with it...Even if it sounded like Crap you know that you could do an install in a show vehicle with that and it would turn heads and get your shop some recognition... -------------  Making the World A Louder Place
Posted By: blackmica3
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 1:07 AM
^^^Yeah saw it. Only hit 100db with over 6000watts pushing it. But they were running it free air in the car. Someone should wall up a panel van and use this sub. I bet that would sound badass then.
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 6:29 AM
I was able to see one at the last car show I was at "Hot Import Nights" It is frickin huge! I know I will probably be able to see one in action in october, at USACi world Finals. I have called Mitek for pricing, and they have told me that it is not in production quanity yet. All MTX distributers around my area (Midwest) have said that they dont even expect to see many of them hit the market.
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:05 AM
jeffchilcott wrote:
I was able to see one at the last car show I was at "Hot Import Nights" It is frickin huge! I know I will probably be able to see one in action in october, at USACi world Finals. I have called Mitek for pricing, and they have told me that it is not in production quanity yet. All MTX distributers around my area (Midwest) have said that they dont even expect to see many of them hit the market.
Yeah, my Mitek saleman said that I'll be #260 on the list for Canada if I order one for the shop. He also said to get it to RMS watage you'll need to use 2 MTX 92001 amps ( strapped together ) just to get it to 6000 watts. That's only the RMS rating for the sub !! ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:07 AM
haemphyst wrote:
Here's a link... it was discussed after it was seen at the CES this year...
Personally, a 6000 dollar, 320 pound woofer in a 2500 dollar 1100 pound car car seems a waste to me...
It's actaully 369 lbs  ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 11:47 AM
Velocity Motors wrote:
haemphyst wrote:
Here's a link... it was discussed after it was seen at the CES this year...
Personally, a 6000 dollar, 320 pound woofer in a 2500 dollar 1100 pound car car seems a waste to me...
It's actaully 369 lbs
I stand corrected... it *still* weighs more than me... <whew>  ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: audiomechanic
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 12:52 PM
i have heard it with 4 of the 81001 amps on it....it was DAMN LOUD.
the sealed box size is only 5.6 cubic feet.
if you have any questions about the sub or real world install needs PLEASE post it i will check this thread daily and help ya out as mush as I can.
Trevor
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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 2:18 PM
How about a listing of ALL the T/S parameters... please include *linear* (please, NOT mechanical) Xmax and Le.
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: russ lund
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 5:04 PM
Last March I was at a dealer show in Fargo,ND.The MTX guys usually rag me about HiFonics and show me their latest toys.But there was no mention of that 22" beast untill I looked at my show flyer while I was going home.
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Posted By: godblessdremil
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 7:36 PM
Oh if i had money and time i would do it just to say i put that beast in a car. But good luck re-enforcing your suspension and building an sealed box with steel, then lifting the beast in. By the way this thing was designed for hummers and cars like that i serously doubt your honda engine could handle hauling all that steel and sub.
Posted By: audiomechanic
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 7:44 PM
haemphyst---
I will see what I can do about the T/S parameters. I personally have not seen a list of them or heard anyone talking about them at all. but I will talk to the engineer working on it and see if I can get them. the x-max is 2.5 inches
russ lund--
I am not sure why they didnt mention it, but it is coming. look here for most of the stuff you may want to know --- https://www.thetrue22.com/specs_01.htm
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Posted By: audiomechanic
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 7:49 PM
^^^Yeah saw it. Only hit 100db with over 6000watts pushing it. But they were running it free air in the car.
the meter that they put in the car was only able to read up to about 110dB. it was just a cheapy there for the effect. once it got over 110 it freaked out and jumped around.
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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 10:36 PM
haemphyst wrote:
How about a listing of ALL the T/S parameters... please include *linear* (please, NOT mechanical) Xmax and Le.
Remember that it uses a very large diameter spider, so it probably can do the 60mm excursion claimed. I would be interested in what the Le is as well (at a given Re). However they could keep it down by using a 2 layer coil. -------------
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 12:45 AM
I saw Pimp My Ride tonight and saw this beast. Yeah, cheap SPL meter. But you know what this thing reminds me of? Back in the day, the Phoenix Gold Cyclone. Any of you remember that about 8 years ago? Maybe I'm just getting old. At the time, "Yeah, we're gonna produce it and sell it, but you gotta be on a waiting list." All SPL and no SQ like this thing. 120db at 10Hz? Yeah, it was awesome.
At the time, I had 4 12W1-8s wired in parallel (1 ohm) mono to a Phoenix Gold ZX350 (my Soundstream 500sx kept blowing up). It metered at 142dB all day from 35Hz to 50. And kick drums hit so hard it felt you were taking hooks from Mike Tyson.
Point is, SPL is not determined by xmax, low freq is not determined by Fs, SQ is not determined by Qts. It's a combination of all these things...and more.
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 4:20 AM
chronos wrote:
All SPL and no SQ like this thing.
I've got to disagree with you there. The Cyclone was an SQ sub based on the Servodrive motor technology. It was great at producing sub-bass frequencies cleanly. However it didn't have much upper frequency bandwidth, which IMO would make it a poor sub to choose for SPL competitions. The Jackhammer is just standard speaker technology scaled up. -------------
Posted By: audiomechanic
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 7:29 AM
the jackhammer somes with 2 cone,voicecoil, and spider options that are field replaceable. one is a longer throw for normal listening and the other is stiffer and has a shorter throw for higher frequencies used in SPL.
I posted some pics of a prototype the box that will be available for it. look at the link in my sig.
https://homepage.mac.com/trevordobrygoski/PhotoAlbum8.html
I will try and get some more info on the sub today.
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Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 7:54 AM
yeah, actually the cyclone was developed to be used like a subsonic freq. producer, like a "helper sub", in conjunction with a normal sut up. the idea was to reproduce every frequency, and that weird loking tube thingy did it. application-sq.
Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 10:17 AM
Posted By: chronos
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 2:55 AM
I opened a can of worms on this one I did.
Yeah, the cyclone was designed with sub freq reproduction in mind, and it did kick ass at that. But where did it really shine for that? 30Hz and lower. On the edge of audible sound. Not very useful for SQ in my opinion.
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 3:33 AM
Well, what is the definition of SQ? I would say the most faithful reproduction of the source material possible. The Cyclone uses a motor that provides extremely linear BL over it's entire operating range. This translates to a lot less distortion as compared to standard motor topologies. Keep in mind that distortions produced by the motor are mostly harmonic in nature, mainly 3rd order (which is also the most unpleasant). So if a driver was playing a 30 Hz tone at 120 dB with 10% THD (which is being generous), the harmonic distortion it produces would be at 90 Hz with an output of 110 dB which would be extremely audible. Since the Cyclone doesn't suffer from this, I would say it is one heck of an SQ sub. It just doesn't have quite the bandwidth that other subs have. But it plays it's limited band of frequencies superbly. Steven Kephart Adire Audio -------------
Posted By: fr33w0rld
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 9:07 AM
man u have to do it up...get like 4 ma audio 802sx amps and u could just play the sub and make the car move...most ppl think i ma insane with 2 18;s in my 99 civic si sedan...and my suspension sits low with that in it..then agin i can push a good 160 db
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 5:44 PM
160db???? in a coupe???? What mic system are you basing this off of? If your doing 160db in a trunk car you need to start running at some shows because that would shatter some world records. Who would have known...I thought the 149.9 db that we are doing in a trunk car was nice.
And yes the vehicle is ranked #1 in HER class in the state and #9 in the US right now in USACi. You canada boys need to start running at some USACi shows there are Canadian records on the USACi site and they need to be improved on! www.soundoff.org
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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 5:45 PM
Ohhh yea, before I went off on one of my Fits again about insane scores, I was going to post that if anyone missed Pimp My Ride, You can see some of the highlights with the jackhammer in it here!
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https://www.realmofexcursion.com/videos/MTX/jackhammer.1.wmv
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2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 5:46 PM
Na, it's just a Candian mic -------------
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 5:51 PM
Yea, you have to multiple Canadian scores by 0.74 to get American equivalent. 160 Canadian = 118.4 American.  ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 5:55 PM
Did you see those digital caps reading 11 some odd volts? Good install, where's the alternator, big dog?
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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 6:06 PM
Canadian Mics??? Sounds like a pitiful excuse not to go to a USACi Show or DBdrag show.
I have started to learn people are just going to flap thier gums as much as they can.
But when they come by and I ask if they want to put my Term-Lab Meter in there car, they either say no....or say ok, and then cant figure out why they just did a 132db when there friend with (2) Legacy 15's and a Pramyid 5000 Watt amp is doing 1465DB's in legal position and he ran at a show and won 1 MILLION DOLLARS!
Ok Im done for now
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 8:28 PM
Getting back on topic, here's a shot of the gigantic MTX woofer. Reminds me of a monster truck... 
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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 9:16 PM
I have never seen PMR before... living under a rock, I guess... but after watching THAT, I don't think I *ever* WANT to see it. All I can say is: "There's 5 minutes of my life I'll NEVER get back"...
If I never click another link to a PMR webpage or PMR content, it'll be a week too soon, and God forgive me if I happen to land on the channel while it's playing...
"Lame, Lame, LAME!!!" >Syndrome, The Incredibles...
Also, 130dB... with 6kW of power?!?! What's wrong with THIS picture? I can get 130dB with one Eclipse Ti 12, and a third the power. And I still have a trunk, and back seats... In my CIVIC!!! I think this woofer is compensation for something... Using the trunk as an enclosure? How many OTHER things are wrong with this story? Alternator? Old style caps? Buick CENTURY!?! They just QUADRUPLED the value of the car, with the woofer alone! "Weak, man... Weak." >Cartman, South Park
Ok, I'm done... Flame away! Don't care...
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 9:23 PM
i live in southern nevada we would be talking like 8 months from now and i know that shiping will cost a lot it would cost you less to deliver it to me
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Posted By: audiomechanic
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 9:52 PM
haemphyst wrote:
I have never seen PMR before... living under a rock, I guess... but after watching THAT, I don't think I *ever* WANT to see it. All I can say is: "There's 5 minutes of my life I'll NEVER get back"...
If I never click another link to a PMR webpage or PMR content, it'll be a week too soon, and God forgive me if I happen to land on the channel while it's playing...
"Lame, Lame, LAME!!!" >Syndrome, The Incredibles...
Also, 130dB... with 6kW of power?!?! What's wrong with THIS picture? I can get 130dB with one Eclipse Ti 12, and a third the power. And I still have a trunk, and back seats... In my CIVIC!!! I think this woofer is compensation for something... Using the trunk as an enclosure? How many OTHER things are wrong with this story? Alternator? Old style caps? Buick CENTURY!?! They just QUADRUPLED the value of the car, with the woofer alone! "Weak, man... Weak." >Cartman, South Park
Ok, I'm done... Flame away! Don't care...
I agree the show IS lame, but it is also one of MTVs highest rated shows and a lot of people love it. which makes it a great advertising tool. I have personally seen it hit in the high 140s with prototype parts and enclosures with less power than it needs.
but to be fair to West coast Customs, take a look at their website and some of the jobs that they do for customers and not for the show. they do a really great job. it may not be your personal taste, but the finish work is really good.
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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 10:04 PM
haemphyst wrote:
Ok, I'm done... Flame away! Don't care...
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 12:17 AM
DYohn] wrote:
ea, you have to multiple Canadian scores by 0.74 to get American equivalent. 160 Canadian = 118.4 American.
Depending on the time of year, the rate will vary. In the winter the score will decrease due to the cold and increase in the summer due to the heat. Thanks DYohn for the conversion. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 12:30 AM
Velocity Motors wrote:
DYohn] wrote:
ea, you have to multiple Canadian scores by 0.74 to get American equivalent. 160 Canadian = 118.4 American.
Depending on the time of year, the rate will vary. In the winter the score will decrease due to the cold and increase in the summer due to the heat. Thanks DYohn for the conversion.
HAHA good to see you Chime in Jeff...I keep looking on the USACI canadian records to see yourself and Rob(forbidden) but havent yet....what gives????
Did a cold front blow through and sweep all your db's away? ------------- 2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 8:11 AM
We've had an OK summer but we need it to get hotter to make the surrounds on the subs softer. The MTX Jackhammer will be great for us on those 89 degree days but crap for those -30 degree months !!
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: August 11, 2005 at 6:50 PM
We just dont care down here in the US. Espically the group of competitors I have been running with. If you cant get the # you wanted, blow it all up trying!
And this we have done. So far the year has taken its toll on 2 eclipses, 2 kicker xs100's, 3 kicker L7's and a head unit.
No one siad this would be a cheap sport to get into, and next year I will finially be running for myself...To many questions asking why I dont run and just help build everyone elses stuff haha.
Well it is time to Tell everyone to build thier owe SPL cars between shows, Im gonna go and work on my own.
It should be interesting, there are some plans in motion already that include 8 amps, 4 subs, about a dozen batterys, and a small car. should be interesting
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Posted By: luckydevil
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 12:10 AM
didn't clarion or someone else make a 36" sub back in the day???
Posted By: Asmodeus
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 1:38 AM
Audiobahn made the AWT34 34" waste of materials... ------------- Making the World A Louder Place
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 8:47 AM
The biggest sub I've heard of was 30" for a home audio set up, but I can't remember the name of it. It looked like a washing mahine with a sub in it the enclosure was so big.
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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 9:11 AM
Here's some of the things I have had my hand in... Both electrical and cabinetry... The design of the TL subwoofer (and this is one of TWO in that living room) started as my idea... This one was built by the two of us in his driveway, at 10:00 at night! It wouldn't FIT in the workshop! *THAT'S* a big cabinet! It's about 7 feet tall, 2 feet wide, and 4 feet deep - that's 56 CUBIC FEET! - it weighs about 300 pounds, and there are two of them! We feed them with an Adcom GFA-565. EACH! Resonant Frequency? A subterranean 11Hz! (13.5Hz for the other one - it's a little smaller ) Verified!
Jeff, I think the one you might be thinking of is possibly the Parasound GMAS - Grand Mother of all Subwoofers. I heard it at the CES about 8 years ago... That one sure didn't last long. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 9:54 AM
LUCKYDEVIL wrote:
didn't clarion or someone else make a 36" sub back in the day???
It was called the thunderdome. Mtx has also made a 64" called the thunder 1,000,000.
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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 11:30 AM
There was also an Orca (now defunct, I believe) 36 inch woofer... Saw one, touched it, wanted it... Couldn't have it  It was at CircleSound in LA.
If I remember correctly, It had PERFECT specs for a TL, and I think that's why we discovered it... It was tripped across in our driver search. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 12:37 PM
We can put a 48" cone on our Parthenon if we wanted to. That's a 68" cone using Kickers way of rating square cone's (diagonal).  And that's with 6" of peak to peak linear excursion as well, or more if you wanted it. -------------
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 12:46 PM
... can you say 10Hz at 120 db? Huh? What'd you say? I can't HEAR you (or anything else any longer)!! ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: August 12, 2005 at 5:21 PM
I heard the retail price on one of these would be like $5000. I just drool when I think about the amazing ENTIRE SYSTEM i could build for 5 grand.
Speaking of huge subs, a shop near me has the audiobahn 34" on display. it makes the front of the shop shake, the lowest bass ive ever heard, but pretty much usless for reproducing and actual music.
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