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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: May 10, 2024 at 8:44 AM


Topic: Getting physical

Posted By: 6061dyson
Subject: Getting physical
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:14 PM

Hey all,

Was wandering on how you guys (with sub BOXES) secure it from the event of a crash. Ive heard thoughs things go the rear seats like chillies from hell.

I got my box mounted in the centre of my car tied up with climbing rope. It *might* work, i don't wanna test it.

I need to access under the carpets n all to get hold of the wheel removal tools ( i do a fare few miles at weird timeS ) So im thinking at MDF boot carpet won't be so good, and its pretty tricky getting a good fit, and fitting it... Ive done it before and it was a MISSION.

Wood braces? metal?   



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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:18 PM
Uh, the back seat usually seperates the box from the driver's head. Or you could bolt it down.

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Posted By: 6061dyson
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:32 PM
Nooooooooo??? I think your dangerously mistaken? Haven't u seen any of thoughs tests on tv? THey had a tool box, largish, full of tools. Crash. Tool box went THROUGH the back seat, into the front passengers seat causing severe damage. Screw driver embedded in driver head rest. I have Split rear seats anyway, but the catch on which they secure into interior is either metal housed and plastic or visa versa..

I need a quick release




Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:43 PM
Actually my enclosure would never make it into the cab of the vehicle through the seat. It would have to rip throught the strut tower bar, bolts, metal behind the seats/shock tower, and then make through the seat.

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Posted By: 6061dyson
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:57 PM
All i wanted was some info. I didn't need to know that about ya car. Bravo, u have a setup so your strut tower is in the way. However on my car (a Pugeot 306) theres none of that! But it has the versatility to fold the seats down to allow larger things to be placed in the boot.

Im telling you, the sub and enclosure, folds/breaks the seats down on there pivots by sheer force.




Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 9:59 PM
So use some old cd changer brakcets and screw them to the floor of your trunk and box.

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Posted By: blackmica3
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 11:04 PM
I have used L Brackets on regular MDF enclosures to mount them to the floor.




Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 11:21 PM
I bolt them down.

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Big Dave




Posted By: boulderguy
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 11:40 PM

I have a cargo net attached to the quarter panel over/around the box.  Will eventually bolt thru wheel well.

There was a famous actor in silent westerns, sort of John Wayne before movies had sound.  He was driving across Arizona with suitcases stacked in his convertable's rear seat, the highest at head level (no head rests back then).  Driving about 50mph, came over a hill to a rd closure, swerved into a ditch, top suitcase slammed into back of his head, crushed skull & splintered his spine.

The case was about 40# @ 50mph = over 2200# impact force according to this documentary.





Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: August 08, 2005 at 11:52 PM
mythbusters on tv did a show that used a bass tube and at 45 mph it tore up some stuff.

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Big Dave




Posted By: customcarchris
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 12:00 AM
Just drill holes in the bottom of your car and bolt the thing down if you're worried. If you get in a wreck and the box breaks, then the bottom will stay still, but the rest of it will crack you in the head. If you're that sure you're going to get in a wreck and kill yourself with your box, either take it out or ride your bike.




Posted By: NicP
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 4:56 AM
mines bolted through the chassis :D, i dont see it coming free and breaking through 2 lots of seats no matter how big an accident




Posted By: dc60531
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 5:14 AM

customcarchris wrote:

Just drill holes in the bottom of your car and bolt the thing down if you're worried. If you get in a wreck and the box breaks, then the bottom will stay still, but the rest of it will crack you in the head. If you're that sure you're going to get in a wreck and kill yourself with your box, either take it out or ride your bike.

I have to agree with this thinking because for one if you get in that bad of a wreck that the box will come thru the back seat and in to your seat then I wouldn't  want to live. If someone hits you from behind at lets say 45 mph I dont think you to worry about the box. I would worry about going thru the windshield or hitting my head on the steering wheel.





Posted By: 6061dyson
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 7:36 AM
Well u see over here we drive a little faster than 55mph oh your "highways" lol. And i got Air bags that work n don't severe your head off and of COURSE i where seatbelts! Im gonna be fine!
Its nice to know some of you guys are acknowledging safety without letting your egos get in the way.
Lets not get sarcastic please ! I just wanna know your methods! Thanks for u guys giving out advice posted_image
Brackets bolted down seem to be da thing. Am thinking something like a quick relase skewer like bolts now.... hmmm




Posted By: soundmasta
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 7:56 AM
don't crash. there. problem solved.




Posted By: 6061dyson
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 8:23 AM
Bravo!

WHy take the time out to make such useless comments?
I suppose ya philosophy on sex: babies and sti's is the same isn't it? Just don't have sex yeh?




Posted By: Master Asylum
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 11:05 AM
Um, I actually look at it this way.... My box fits fairly tightly into my trunk. Infact it wedges in between my tension bars. Between the weight(something like 100/+ easily) and the force holding it between them, I'd *love* to see it get through my back seats. Especially since the opening to the trunk is smaller than the box. Now if it was that big, I would probably just bolt down if I really was worried. In a wreck I'd be more concerned about the 1200 amp on the back of my back seats. Or the life expectancy of the person that caused it(I have anger management problems.)

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Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 11:59 AM
I know that if a wreak is bad enough to break my 8 12's lose, I not worried about the subs, but the grap that's wreaking into me.

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Big Dave




Posted By: customcarchris
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 4:40 PM

6061dyson wrote:


Its nice to know some of you guys are acknowledging safety without letting your egos get in the way.
Lets not get sarcastic please ! I just wanna know your methods! Thanks for u guys giving out advice posted_image 

Put your box in and build a 1 inch thick cast-iron frame around it, then weld this to the frame, supports, and rear end of the car.  Fill the unused space of your trunk with expanding foam and stuff three mattresses in your back seat.  This should keep that damn box from smacking you in the head, now only if you could do something about that 4 ton truck that just hit you which caused the box to move.





Posted By: 6061dyson
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 10:05 PM
ur humour seems to have taken a battering from something far worse than what can hit u on the streets. Stop wasting my time, do something constructive in yours like in a different direction to me?
THis is an ADVICE FORUM, not a toilet door of BITCHING




Posted By: customcarchris
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 10:42 PM

Here's some advice, learn how to speak English, that would also be constructive.

I was never bitching, I was being sarcastic because you obviously don't understand what you need to do.  Bolt the mother fooker down and you'll be done.  You want more answers and that's all their is, what else do you want?

Quick release?  Just use hinges with a pin in them, one on each side.  Bolt one end of the hinge to the floor, the other on the box, slide the pin in, and it will stay.  Pull the pin and your box comes out easily.

Now I'm sure you want 353,241 different ways to do this too, so you will reply with a post of your own bitching that is shhhty English complaining this wasn't good enough and don't be sarcastic and stop bitching even though you are the one who has done the most bitching and this was your thread.

If you don't like what people tell you, then don't ask, this is an ADVICE FORUM, remember?  That means take their advice or leave it, but don't go bitching if you can't figure out what to do because you don't understand it.





Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 11:05 PM
All I wanna know is who was the beheaded silent actor?




Posted By: 6061dyson
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 11:08 PM
Lol, yes Chris, i notice your a YANK, your english is much better than an English Language A level, taught of course in ENGLAND. Learn how to *speak* english? WHat are u hearing my words! This is where your going wrong, someone has to read this to you, and then u have to remember it. Thats why uve only noticed my comment on how i need it to be quickly released now.... ahh its ok   




Posted By: boulderguy
Date Posted: August 09, 2005 at 11:27 PM

Silent actor was Tom Mix, did westerns until movies got sound, then the public heard his "girlie voice" and his career was scuttled from then on as I understand it.  Being dead didn't help either.

https://www.who2.com/tommix.html 

Even better - https://www.roadsideamerica.com/set/CELtommix.html





Posted By: NicP
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 12:30 AM
Your post is somewhat ironic, not only is it poor english but it IS bitching, sorry to be picky and everything

You have remember that the forums are a privledge not a right. Be nice about the answers that you do get, and dont get insulted when someone makes a joke, theres nothing wrong with a sense of humor every now and then




Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 9:54 AM

I agree, if no one was answering your post at all, you'd be bitching about that, too, but anyway...

Using a hinge sounds like a good way to go, like a door hinge (or 2 or 3), but if you are planning for the worst, even this won't help you. The force that you would get hit with would surely just rip the screws/bolts from the hinges out of the wood of the box and you'd still have a flying projectile on your hands (or head, as the case may be). A "quick-release" doesn't sound like it's in the cards for you. Sorry. Welding some extra supports to the car to block the box from coming thru the cabin would be your best bet. I'm sure that's not what you want to hear, but that's the reality of the situation as I see it...



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Posted By: boulderguy
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 1:54 PM

I think the hinges would work fine for anything but catastrophic collisions.  You're dealing with static vs kinetic forces - so long as the box is reasonable attached to the vehicle it should be fine.  where you'd have to worry is if it became airborne at say 90kph while the vehicle has stopped into a phone pole.  If you can keep that from ever happening your attachments needn't be so overbuilt.

And I agree with the earlier posts - if you're going to post something, at least hit the spell-check button rather than posting something that looks like a freakin' text message from your phone.  Consider it respect for those who have to figure out what you're typing.  And if you're gonna flame people, go back to the chat rooms.





Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 3:02 PM
just bolt it down and don't worry about it. like I said before, if the wreak is that bad the box is the least of your worries. If I was that worried about a crash I'd take the bus, or maybe get a tank.

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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: August 10, 2005 at 7:36 PM

Important things to consider about mounting boxes 101, by Rob.

A box that vibrates around is losing output in the form of sound.

A box that is vibrating around will indeed come loose.

Drywall screws and backstraps do not constitute a good mount.

Rope and chains do not constitute a good mount.

A box that is loose can indeed come through a seat with deadly force.

A box that is loose can also fly right through a rear window or open trunk , make like a kite and promptly launch through your front / side / rear windows. So you don't infact need to be in the accident to become part of one.

Hinges as nice as the idea is and can securely mount, will still allow the box to move and vibrate therfor losing output in the form of sound.

I can think of more but we'll leave it at that for now.

A properly mounted box is one that will not move at all and will infactshake the car when you shake the box. It is mounted on more than once surface ideally. It is done using bolts or aluminum / steel bracketing if possible. It should be next to impossible to steal at the same time.



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