Printer Friendly Forum Posts - MTX vs JL vs Alumapro

Hey, i'm lookin to install 3 12"s in my buddy's Montero. I was wondering which would sound the best and be the loudest given all brands were put in a sealed enclosure and given the recommended power rating.

MTX T7512-44 - MTX 12"
JL W3v2
Alumapro Alchemy MX DVC6

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

even then look more into each sub, like voice coil diameter, exersion rate, size of the magent, cone material and price. all this can lead you to a better decsion yourself, and all effect how the sub performs

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Hurry get me a steel hanger, elec tape, zip ties, a monkey and a snorgle. trust me i've ran wires with less

i'm interested in others opinions. I have my own, but i don't want to play a factor in that. I want other peoples decisions.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

hoaxs] wrote:

ven then look more into each sub, like voice coil diameter, exersion rate, size of the magent, cone material and price. all this can lead you to a better decsion yourself, and all effect how the sub performs

Sort of. You have to know how those differences effect the results of the driver. In other words, "more" is not necessarily better in many of those instances you list.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

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uthinkuknoaudio wrote:

i'm interested in others opinions. I have my own, but i don't want to play a factor in that. I want other peoples decisions.

Ok you want a decision? Go with the MTX's. I own them, like them and abuse them all the time. Those JL's probably aren't going to be quite as loud, but that is just a guess.

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yeah more isn't necessarily but depends on what your looking for, and i know JL sound real good and thats all i really know about any of those subs

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Hurry get me a steel hanger, elec tape, zip ties, a monkey and a snorgle. trust me i've ran wires with less

if you can go to a sound store and ask to listen to the mtx 12 inch 7500 sledghammer box these are prefab boxes made by mtx we run a 5500 in our store and it sounds crazy in all aspects clarity and output good luck

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I Love This Industry!!

i hate jl audio, but i'd be willing to bet they'd out preform the mtx or the alumapro subs.

Just curious, if you " hate " JL Audio why do you recommend them? Did a JL truck run over your wagon when you were a child?

I hate JL Audio with a passion as well. I'm probably going to go Image Dynamics or MTX , whatever he affords. I strongly go against JL (don't ask) but hey, thanks for your opinion.s

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

i a big mtx amp fan. subs are pretty good too. MTX is trying to make a living off of showing how there stuff outperforms JL at each pricepoint.

Just out of curiosity, why do you guys hate JL so much? Maybe it's a matter of perspective, but as somewhat of an insider in the industry I have a lot of respect for JL. They have an incredible engineering team that has produced some great technilogical advances as can be seen in the W7. Most of their competitors claim technological superiority, but really are just one more flavor of the same old stuff.

And as for the post above, anybody can see that MTX's comparisons are purely marketing. If JL chose that type of approach, they could easily spin it to where their subs were the superior choice. Most of the "points" MTX makes have negatives as well that they just so conveniently forget to add. An example of this is their claim that the rubber surround is superior. However foam provides better rigidity for a given weight, costs less, and lasts longer. As for excursion, let's compare a 13W7 to a 15" 9500 and see which wins. posted_image

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

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i jsut personally don't like their sound, and feel that they are a little overpriced, but if they are affordable to you, and you like them, they are a good speaker. jl makes a quality product, and if it is avalabile via local dealer, it wouldn't be a bad choice. that and i really don't like mtx. i would presonally reccomed kicker or eclipse, or maybe a few other brands, because from what i've seen and heard you get better preformance for your money. i just figured that there was a reason that only certian brands were mentioned in the original post.

I tend to like JL Audio mainly because they produce loud, clear subs, and thats typically what i look for. i've had 2 JL Audio Subs so far and i wouldnt trade them for anything. the way i look at it is that the bass that they produce in relation to the wattage they require is a good balance. Given i have heard a few different MTX subs throughout my car audio experience, i feel i can compare them sufficiently. MTX tends to have more booming bass versus the JL with clear bass output. it always depends on what you're looking for in a sub, and obviously how much you are willing to pay.

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2000 Chevrolet S10
Premier DEH-P860MP
JL Audio XR650-CSi components
Boston 4x6 splits
JL Audio 10W3v2
Alpine MRP-M350
Clarion APA-4162

Don't be haters people! JL AUDIO RULZ!!! posted_image

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VEHICLE: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2

I hate on JL because i feel they are overpriced for the product they put out. Don't get me wrong, some products they put out are nice, but to a budget spender and someone who knows what is better for the money, they are wayyy over priced. I took my TC9's over W7's anyday. I can't stand JL and i hate on the people that think that there is nothing better in this world than it and that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. Fact is, there is always something bigger and better out there, and it doesn't have JL's name on it.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

Is higher prices a reason to hate a company? After all, you don't have to buy their subs. And as far as I've noticed, everybody does the same thing as those JL owners you describe above. Everyone thinks that they have the best sub. I know I do. posted_image

And knowing a little bit about speaker engineering, I feel that the W7 is one of the better subs on the market. Very few subs can come close to it's high output/low distortion performance because of the innovative technologies used in it. TC Sounds makes a good sub that is almost impossible to break. We have measured several of them. However I would personally take a W7 over any of their subs because I feel it is better engineered.

Sliced bread is still the best though. Especially toasted with some melted butter and cinamon and sugar sprinkled on top. posted_image

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

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To me, its a reason to definitely hate them. Its really expensive for one of their drivers, and to me, definitely not worth it. Thats why I hate it, me! I do, yes, me! I hate JL. I disagree with the engineering part of the W7 v. the TC9. I feel the TC9 is better engineered. I've seen very few TC9's getting repaired as to when i see W7's always blowing up. Dual 1.5 ohm voice coils and DVC3 turn my switch right off as well.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

Like I said, the TC subs are built like tanks and hard to break. When I was talking about better engineered, I was talking about performance. Everything about the W7 is well engineered to perform it's best. There are many little things that TC Sounds likes to do on their subs which I disagree with and actually hurt performance rather than help IMO.

Steven Kephart

Adire Audio

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the bottom line is personaly oppionin. wether of not ou think it sounds good. the sound should determine a persons opinion about a speaker, not price. although i factor that into my evaluation of JL product, it's not the main reason i don't like their product. i don't like sony subs either, not because they are so cheap i lose sales to them and their red flashy color just begs idiots to put them in sweet rides like this. ( which made me sick to do) they sound bad.

a companys marketing or price points, their salesmans slicker than snot on a glass doorknob ptch shouldn't mean shhh. just how the speaker sounds. thats whats improtant, because at the end of the day, when your car backs out of the install bay, the speaker is the only think that leaves with you.

uthinkuknoaudio wrote:

I disagree with the engineering part of the W7 v. the TC9. I feel the TC9 is better engineered.

The W7 has a flatter BL curve (which = less distortion) than a TC9 driver. A w7 also has higher excursion.

uthinkuknoaudio wrote:

I've seen very few TC9's getting repaired as to when i see W7's always blowing up.

How many people do you know that have TC9 subs? Probably not very many. W7s are much more common and any inexperienced person who walks into a shop can buy one and blow it up by cranking the gain on the amp or putting it in a poorly built/designed enclosure.

i've heard those JL subs distort a lot more than my TC9's. I've actually never audibly noticed my TC's distorting.

I know lots of people that own the SoundSplinter RLP's and 2 people i know have the TC9's. They sound better to me and to them than the W7's.

As i stated before, I FEEL the TC9 to be better engineered. Everyone needs to get off of JL's deal so hard.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

Why don't you just get some Nak subs? Nak-u-knoaudio.

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I like Nak subs and all. I just preferred the overall louder SPL with the TC9's. Don't get me wrong, when it comes to SQ in my other little car, the naks sound great. Just in my explorer i'll take advantage of the TC9.

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

It was a joke?

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Uthinkuknoaudio I think it's a little sad that you started this thread just to flame on JL subs. You should have named the thread " IthinkIknoaudio and I hate JL subs because I can't afford them" You haven't made 1 valid argument against JL this whole time... I bet you have never owned a W6v2, or a W7. You should open your mind (and your wallet) and try some JL's before ignorance sentences you to a lifetime of inferior SQ in your rides. I find it very ironic that you are a Nakamichi fan and you call anything else overpriced.

This thread should be bumped and put out of it's misery.

hey parrot newbie, you don't know crap because you have only been here for 1 day, yeah, 1 day (september 14th 2005) so how can you say i haven't made 1 valid argument when i've been here for nearly a year?

Yes i've owned and sold both w6v2 and w7. They are both not worth the money. I can afford both of them of course, since i bought subs from TC sounds which are costly as well and Nakamichi products. The difference is, they are actually worth their price tag.

Go fly away you stupid bird

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"I don't play games. I play Nakamichi and that for real yo" - Probably some japanese kid said this in the early 80's trying to sell stereo out of his trunk lol.

How does one day on a forum have anything to do with how much one knows about car audio? Exactly - nothing!

When Steven Kephardt (sorry if spelling is wrong) joined and posted for the first time, did you say the same thing to him? How about DYohn? or stevdart? Or Teken? (where is Teken these days, anyway?)...

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VEHICLE: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2

Paradigm wrote:

...or stevdart?...

I'm still a hapless newbie.....flame away! (ye who will dare). But...I've got a flamethrower that I picked up at customsuburb's garage sale and I assure ye I will use it! ;)

Yeah, the one that fried all those Bose thingies that were trying to escape from the dumpster...

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