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Topic: 20/20 article on loud car stereos

Posted By: luckydevil
Subject: 20/20 article on loud car stereos
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 9:23 AM

"Hobbyists Boost the Stereo Wattage to the Ire of Their Neighbors"

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=1032649&page=1



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Posted By: luckydevil
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 9:29 AM
https://forums.go.com/abcnews/2020/thread?threadID=201445

That is the message board of the guy who wrote the article. Pretty funny response from a Car Audio store owner at the bottom.




Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 10:30 AM
ABC NEWS wrote:

Ordinary car stereos generate as much as 600 watts of sound and I thought that was plenty. But at car shows, some people want at least 10 times that.

Bullshhh

ABC NEWS wrote:

Some of the car audio systems generate 170 decibels of sound, equivalent to the noise of a jet plane taking off 25 feet in the distance. What's the appeal? Drivers told us it's a hobby just like arts and crafts.

Now how many people realisticaly drive a car with a stereo that hits 170??? Bullshhh.

ABC NEWS wrote:

Sony told us the advertisement was tongue in cheek, and they may change the tone. But other companies have run ads saying their products will "shake the living, wake the dead," and "annoy neighbors."

Now we know the article is crap, they mentioned Sony. hehehe

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Posted By: lostracer
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 10:38 AM
I posted in there..it took 2 posts because I guess my nitial post was too big..LOL! I have a great dis taste for ignorance.

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 10:39 AM
Damn old people. Well on the flip side I guess it is alright to watch video while driving as long as you can't be heard?

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Posted By: lostracer
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 10:57 AM
damn..that thread kinda got under my skin..LOL!!

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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 2:08 PM
My question..... is someone's right to no noise greater than someone's right to make noise? If noise is the issue then when I work the late shift and come home to sllep during the day, my neighbour should not be allowed to mow his lawn or chop his firewood as I should not be allowed to play loud music. If loud music is the issue, that is discrimination.

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Posted By: skoldspuppy
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 2:09 PM
Wow im in shock after reading through that thread..
George Carlin has it right lots of people need to die

Sad shape our society is in when people have more passion for noise polution verses more pressing issue

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Posted By: boardinbum
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 2:31 PM
"Solutions

Do not approach or attempt to reason with motorists in boom cars. Most of them are belligerent. When possible, take down their license plate number and call the police. In communities where the police pull over boom cars, often they find alcohol, drugs and sometimes weapons in the vehicle. In a few cases, drivers have outstanding warrants for their arrest. "




Posted By: skoldspuppy
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 2:35 PM
boardinbum wrote:

"Solutions

Do not approach or attempt to reason with motorists in boom cars. Most of them are belligerent. When possible, take down their license plate number and call the police. In communities where the police pull over boom cars, often they find alcohol, drugs and sometimes weapons in the vehicle. In a few cases, drivers have outstanding warrants for their arrest. "


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See Kids propaganda is fun



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 2:59 PM
Look, the reason for all of this is the few idiots in their so-called "boom cars" who don't have enough brains to lower their volume when they enter residential neighborhoods.  The few make it bad for everyone.  And I'll happily admit that if one of those idiots sits outside MY house shaking my windows with their subs for more than a few seconds, I will definately call the police with their lisence number.  I don't want to listen to your thump.  Noise ordinances exist for a reason.  I will also call if a neighbor decides to run his leaf blower after the law says they can't at 10PM or before 8AM.  This world is too noisy as it is, don't make me listen to your noise any more than I already have to.  And sorry Rob, day sleepers (of which I have been one) are the minority and are not protected by noise laws: except that is for the car noise laws here in California which are in effect 24 hours a day.  Good ear plugs do work.

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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 3:04 PM
I've been under the dash of a car most of the day. "BoardinBum's" thread was a joke right? Right? RIGHT????




Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 9:40 PM
tcss] wrote:

I've been under the dash of a car most of the day. "BoardinBum's" thread was a joke right? Right? RIGHT????

I agree that better have been a joke.

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Posted By: chrisAWD
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 9:55 PM
see what happens when people have too much time on there hands....damn, THEY need to find a hobby.





Posted By: godblessdremil
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 10:57 PM
In the 20/20 peice, one boomer admitted he blew out an eardrum. One boomer suffered a collapsed lung from blasting a 1,000 watt boom car - https://www.noiseoff.org/boomcars.shtml

It is also a safety issue, boomers create so much noise, it is nearly impossible for the boomer and other drivers to hear an emergency vehicle such as an ambulance, a fire truck or police car, that is why they passed a new law in Florida against booming.

its funny there calling a thousand watt a boom car my speakers in the door total are a thousand watts. He probally got a collapsed lung for bieng hit by an ambulance.




Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 13, 2005 at 11:47 PM
Ok, an eardrum but a lung??? That is rediculous. Unless the vehicle was a serious sound off vehicle then I would say next to impossible. The loudest I have hit was 153db. That didn't blow my eardrums, sure as hell didn't collapse a lung. Hell, I have a true 1kW amp in my work vehicle. No one hears me unless I want them too, even then it isn't much as my box is garbage.

Noiseoff.org has so many lies and propaganda in it that it is rediculous. Boycott Pioneer because of a slogan? I don't think so. I love this page. This ad page is funny as well, Tsunami, Earthquake, and Pepsi???. Hell they even want to take on MERA.

If I go on any further then I run the risk of this post being deleted.

PS. How are the noise ordinances in Canada?

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 12:44 AM
I had to respond to the other forum. Just wait until they find out people can drive and watch dvds or that people are putting computers in their cars.

PS. Yes I know.

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Posted By: chrisAWD
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 4:18 AM
this is what i sent to the above bullcrap forum

and i quote

you should be ASHAMED of yourselves! how dare you associate the tragedy of the recent tsunami in the pacific or the ongoing terrorist activity to the car audio croud. I'm am not a person(or "thug") as you describe it that drive's down the street to irritate people but at the same time i understand each person's right to free expression. I do not condone blasting rap music down every small suburb street but i must say you are no better than war mongers and profiteers trying to feed off peoples emotions. "Tsunami" brand wiring has been around LONG before the recent disaster.....i will continue....Pioneer's add is just that....an add to exaggerate the power of their products. no one is assuming they are a nuclear threat, and if YOU do....shame on you for being short a chromosome and i feel sorry for your ignorance. grow up.


what do you guys think.....i think i did good






Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 5:53 AM
I don't really know where this started, but I can say I am pretty much in agreement with the noiseoff group, even if I disagree with their methods. Propaganda like this is a bad thing, and can be dangerous. I do not have a "boom car". While it will play PLENTY loud, I did it for me, not for eveybody around me. My home stereo is the same thing.

The car audio industry should be reigned in, if not by themselves, by someone... I think it is a good example of American youth not being held responsible for their own actions. Honestly, I was appalled by the Pioneer video from that page. Really, now, should a "responsible company" be allowed to pander to, even PROMOTE irresponsibility like this? Probably not. I can appreciate the fact that all of those guys work hard for their stereo gear, I work JUST as hard for mine... but all I wanted to do was reach into my monitor a slap the shhh out of that kid who put on the ear protection, then reached for the volume knob. **** him! Little rat-bastard! It all boils down to responsibility, - needing to take some for yourself, and respect - show some for the people around you. Grow up. If somebody asks me to turn down my stereo, I will - obviously it is too loud AT THAT MOMENT - I can turn it back up to my desired level LATER... My stereo will still be in my car, when I am not near that particual person. This is the way I was raised, with respect for the people around me, and I don't give a GOOD g****** how much you spend on your stereo, or your exhaust system, you have NO right to force me to listen to it or to hear it, the same as I have no right to make you listen to mine.

Why can't the stereo be turned down while you are at the light? Hmmm? Show some decency. Free expression? OK, but if you are "free expressing" over my own personal enjoyment, (which, BTW, I was enjoying by myself - in my own car - MY space, not yours, and I didn't invite you INTO my space), you are no longer expressing aloud, but forcing onto, (a right which is NOT guaranteed you by the Constitution) and being not cool... for this you SHOULD be cited or at least warned... And if it happens like this, that you do get a citation, be an adult, and accept the responsibility - it is yours after all.

A hotly debated subject, and will probably remain so, there have been (probably more than) a couple of discussions/arguments, with more varying viewpoints, regarding this very topic on the12volt. Please see here and here.

Anyway, it's 3:40 in the morning, and I am really starting to rant, I think, and ranting is not good.

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Posted By: evanc
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 10:43 AM
I quote this from www.bcae.com...

"Please 'Boom' Responsibly
    As most of you have noticed, the noise ordinances have become much tougher lately. Most of this is due to idiots, yes IDIOTS, who drive through residential areas with their windows down while their system is playing at full power. To make things worse, the music they listen to has all sorts of foul language that's not suitable for small children, (who may be playing outside). There are even a few people, who are even beyond idiot status, that play their systems at full power through residential areas after 10:00 PM (when many people go to bed). I don't believe that this type of behavior is good for the industry. If the fines get too stiff, people will stop buying large systems. If this happens, more people will get out of car audio (who wants a mediocre system). People get interested in things because they're exciting. A deck and four 6.5" speakers are not going to interest many of the younger car audio enthusiasts. If car audio enthusiasts keep annoying more and more people, the fines will keep getting tougher. All of this will only reduce interest in the equipment that fuels the industry. If you want to listen to your system at full volume, get out on the highway where there's little chance of bothering anyone. When you get to a red light, turn it down. If the only thing attractive about you is your 'system', you have some work to do. Bottom line... Think about what you're doing. Think about other people. It's not the end of the world if you have to turn the volume down for a little while."

As said in this post, just be responsible, or considerate. If you know you want to listen to your stereo loud, take the highway route rather than the back road route through the neighborhood. Turn it down for the 30 seconds at the traffic light. Laws are getting worse, news coverage is now going against us. The more people act stupid and irresponsible, the worse its going to get. Before long, car subwoofers may become illegal, or taxed so high nobody can afford them. So, for that 1 minute, take one for the team, turn it down.




Posted By: shark_2003
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 3:05 PM
I am not against loud stereos but if you play it more responsibly,  I.E.: Turning it down at red lights, stop signs, residential neighborhoods, or anywhere else people may be that do not want to hear loud music things will go much better for us.  I have a very loud system but i play it at a reasonable volume so i dont get any complaints or tickets.  There is no such thing as a warning for loud noise now,  if you go through the mall parking lot blasting your music you get a minimum 1500 dollar ticket which is outrageous for something so simple.




Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 6:12 PM
OK time for me to chime in on this. I read the entire thread and posted a couple responses of my own on there. I can understand why people can get upset about loud cars, and they have every right to be upset to a point. What really killed me about that post was that there were so many generalizations and misrepresentations of both the industry as well as facts that it was simply shocking. I was starting to get legitamatly mad when I was seeing them trying to like the stereos with drugs and crime as well as the generalizations of calling enthusists punks and thugs. It could have been an interesting debate but really seemed to break down into another round of childish bullshhh. I dont think I am gonna be paying to much mind to that thread any more for the simple fact that I think I am above the bullshhh being spouted on that that thread. Just rediculous

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Posted By: NicP
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 7:00 PM
my opinion is that people should take responsibility for their own actions and their own parenting, it really pisses me off that there are so many groups of parents against the "evils" in the world, OMG loud music, OMG violence on tv, OMG sex in video games!!!

Really if they focused their energy on instilling morals and values, like consideration and respect of others, into their kids the world would be a better place.

Yes people shouldnt blast their stereo late at night but are the audio companies to blame for this? have people lost that much common sense that they do everything advertising shows them?




Posted By: speedwayaudio1
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 7:31 PM
I know that I'm not a "punk" or a "thug" and I love to crank out on my system. I know when to crank and when to tone it down. For the most part people just don't mind there own biz. They worry more about me and you than them selves.

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Posted By: pimpincavy
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 8:02 PM
I have read several websites that are similar to noiseoff. The people that run these websites obviously have no life and waaaaay to much free time. They are good for a laugh though. I really cant believe some of these people are serious, the page with the car audio ads was especially laugh-worthy. None of these people come off as very intelligent, whos bright idea was it to call vehicles with systems "boom cars" and the people who drive them "boom boys" it sounds like something a 2 year old would say. These anti-noise people are nothing but a bunch of whining, complaining, ignorant and stuck up idiots. I guess it just goes to show that anyone with a crackhead idea can make a website about it.


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Posted By: stang351w
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 8:04 PM
i agree with speedway, i'm not a punk either, or a thug, i'm a regular average joe who likes to turn his music up a little louder then the next guy...a local reporter tried to do the same thing down here, complainging about the loud cars and stereos, it to was one sided...he stated that you'd hear them comming 5 min befor you saw the car and the guy was always racing or reving his engine to make his exhaust louder....but my thing is...you never hear about the old men that drive around with there old mid 1930's music playing (yes..it happends around here alot) sure there probably to deaf to hear it at what a normal person would listen to it at, but no one made comments about that, nor when they mentiond the exhausts being to loud...they never mentiond street bikes or harleys...you hear them for a while.. and i read a couple posts back something about not being able to hear emergency vehicles...i do hear them, even when my music is up. either that or i'm using my mirrors more often (which they say makes you a safer driver??) well...that's just my 2 cents..

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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: August 14, 2005 at 8:36 PM

John Stossel, the reporter who did the 20/20 piece, is a muckraker.  His stories are to incite and fire up the audience and are extremely one-sided.  That's about as much as I can say about his journalistic integrity.

The group who compiled the advertisements are exactly the same way.  Put page after page of ammunition in front of the slathering mob and you'll be sure to get some reaction.  The big problem is this:  the hordes who are allowing themselves to be incited by this propaganda are too narrow-minded to see the whole picture.  The education and pedigrees they are so proud to display in their resumes seems to justify their name-callling of a group they don't know anything about.  Thugs!  Criminals! 

But they show their real lack of intelligence when they infer any kind of real meaning in advertisements.  They certainly should know that ads just serve a purpose to get a prospective customer's attention...not unlike the articles and stories that condemn the advertisers for doing just that.  These people will be quick to write a letter to the editor of their local newspaper or to their congressman based on a one-sided, misinformed article in itself without hearing the other side of the argument.   

Yet, these irate upstanding proper citizens who are so victimized by the car audio industry are the same ones who will not think twice about the pollution they spew all over the earth with their gas-guzzling Hummers, powerboats and private airplanes.  It's all a matter of whether it fits into their perfect world, and whether they can profit from it.  These are the types of people journalists like Stossel like to fire up.  The Moral Majority.  Just like the ads that are criticized, this type of yellow journalism is all about ratings, market share and profit.

Immoral Hypocrites would be a more befitting name for them. 

I see kids and not-so-young adults opening their eyes to the mathematical part of the hobby and embracing concepts that they knew little or nothing about.  I see teamwork, competition and building a value system.  I see hands that are working with wood and electronics; those are not idle hands, hypocrites.  Those are hands and minds that are learning, teaching, evaluating results and having fun in the process.



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Posted By: rlandwehrle
Date Posted: August 15, 2005 at 12:31 AM

i love the sound of music and i love the way it feels even more and i understand that some people dont like loud music but dont you think there are better things to b***h about.like the old man that flicks his cigerett bud out the window (fiber glass takes allmost 10 years to disolve)and not in his ashtray.or drive thoes beat up cars with faild inspection poring black smoke into the air i breath.and dont forget about the old drunk peeing on the tree(not to good for the tree).what about grandma who lets her little dog out to sh** on her walk and forgets to pick it up everytime so little kids can play in.THEY NEED TO GET REAL and look at the things they are doing to the world.  o.k. some of us will loose our hearing i under stand that it dosent hurt any one else.ask them what happened to our ozone layer ?music dident do that !they know what did because they were a part of it.and they worry about bass,my son is growing up with gloable warming because of all the antifreez they let drain into the watersystems or all the hairspray she needed to stand her hair for beehive hair style.in 200 years they have destroyed this planet,so lets worry about a handa with a 4 cyl (compared to there extreamly large inefficent engins in there old cars) and high spl sound.



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Posted By: shark_2003
Date Posted: August 15, 2005 at 10:29 AM

Im not saying all old people are the ones bitching about loud cars because some of them grew up doing the same exact thing with mustangs muscle cars and hot rods.  But the majority of the people that are complaining are people who know nonthing about us.  What makes us want to have loud stereos loud exhaust.  My stereo is very loud but i know when to turn it down.  My exhaust is loud but it is still under 95db i can pass emissions in any state.  My car is not hurting anything its these old farts complaining about stuff they dont understand and and what the onesided media tells them to think. 

Old farts and one sided media are really starting to piss me off.

Along with that some punk *** kid in columbia SC took a reporter on a private tour to show him all the cars that had loud stereos and every car that was involved in street racing.  Im not saying i agree with street racing but alot of people just come out to show their cars.





Posted By: ophidia31
Date Posted: August 15, 2005 at 11:46 AM
i couldnt even read more than a page and a half of those posts on the 20/20 thread. if that was an open discussion in a town hall somewhere, id probably be getting arrested for beating someone into oblivion. talk about closed minded! the industry is destroying our community and poising our youth. blah blah blah blah blah. just shut the hell up already. they dont even know about all the inner city programs that these people and business owners tend to to help get the kids off the street and into something productive with their lives. and its not just stereo programs too its other automotive programs to help them learn, get hands on experience and develop their people skills. oh my god, and if i read anything with "boom" in it one more time i was seriously going to smash my computer screen off the floor. thugs? punks? good christ people, get a life. you watch too much fox and mtv.  and yes, i do listen to my music loud so i am guilty of that. but when i drive by or am sitting there it isnt obnoxiously loud where things are rattling and your house is shaking. my music is tatseful and if anything if people know the music they give a thumbs up. you can actually have a passenger in the front seat of my car and still talk to them without shouting when i have my stereo up. but now this is the strange part. sitting at lights and stop signs i usually dont turn my stereo down. well because at a stop sign im there for no more a than a few seconds and at a stop light, well, ive never been to a stop light where there wasnt any less noise going on then my stereo so why turn it down there. but driving through residential areas i will turn my stereo down almost off. and at night if im driving home from somehwere i usually have it half of where i would have it during the day. these people need to move out of their parents house, get their own apartment, throw some acne cream on their faces, wash their hair with johnsons no tears shampoo and go out a get a life. theyre always on sale so you can pick them up cheap.

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Posted By: lostracer
Date Posted: August 15, 2005 at 2:56 PM
I can't take myself away from posting there..LOL!! its like a foul disease..I've pretty much stopped arguing with the Noizeoff people..I'm now focusing on the idiot sheep following them around..ROFL

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