Best front tweeters
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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=62778
Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 2:04 PM
Topic: Best front tweeters
Posted By: Teslank
Subject: Best front tweeters
Date Posted: September 16, 2005 at 7:59 PM
hi i currently have a a phoenix gold octane R tweeter(come with my 6.5" components) and it sounds horrible at high output. im searching for a tweeter that reproduces voices just like if you were in front of the singing person and being capable of accepting 100RMS per channel( i have a lightning audio storm X1.800.4(100rms X 4) i like listening at high levels but the sound of the tweeters must not seems to scream must sound smooth and accurate!. any ideas? opinions? im on a cda-9815 wich sports a 6 band variable EQ, digital time correction and crossover. im open to any ideas thanks all for your time Teslank My car audio system Car: Toyota Corolla 1997 sedan
Head Unit: Alpine CDA-9815
Amplifier: Lightning Audio Storm x1.800.4(4 x 100 rms or 1 x 400 rms bridged + 2 x 100 rms or 2 x 400 rms bridged and can go down to 2 ohm on single channel for 200 rms)
Front Speakers: Phoenix Gold Octane R 6.5" component(70 rms max)
Rear Speakers: Pionneer 6X9 2 way coaxial(seems cheap 120w max)
Subwoofer: Lightning Audio Strike S4.12.4 (4 ohm 300 rms max)
Wiring: 4 gauge power kit upgraded battery ground, all speaker wiring on 12 gauge american bass and 12 g IXOS for sub and ixos rca's for sub and speakers
Capacitor: IXOS GT digital 1 farad how is it connected: all speakers connected to the amp head unit internal amp not used, used front channel bridged for sub and rear channel plugged left and right speakers pluged in parallel for each side
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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 16, 2005 at 8:56 PM
There's really no such thing as a "best" ANYTHING... That being said, my expectation is the amplifier... The LA amps are not the best gear in the world... low budget Rockford Fosgate, which is garbage for highs to begin with. Also, that amp is probably more like a real-world 50 to 75wpc, not the claimed 100... How hard are you driving them?
Anyway, your 100 watt specification leaves pretty much everything out of the equation, with the exception of these. Just put a pair of them in a SportTrak, and they sound AWESOME... I think they were about 250 bucks, tho...
As a Morel fan from WAAAAYYY back, the Morel stuff is as good as I always remembered it being. High-dollar, to be sure, but high power handling and speed have always beel Morel hallmarks, and these drivers are no exception to that rule... ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 16, 2005 at 9:25 PM
Good call on the Morel Renaissance tweeters, haemphyst. I believe those tweets can be had for closer to $175 a pair. I love the sound of all Morel drivers. Just be sure you get the actual Morel speakers from Israel and not "Morel USA" speakers, which are not actually made by Morel. Another high-end soft-dome that competes with the Morel is the Seas RT25F. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: Teslank
Date Posted: September 16, 2005 at 9:36 PM
i dont think that the high end series of lightning audio are this much crap they cost alot too i dont think they would sold a 1000$ amp that sounds like crap, about the seas rt25f how is the listening performance? they costs alot and seems trouble to fit in my corolla because of their dimensions. and the 100rms for the tweeter is taked off at least real 50rms and about adjustment to the EQ of my head unit? any ideas??
Posted By: uthinkuknoaudio
Date Posted: September 16, 2005 at 9:51 PM
Another positive vote for the Morels. Seas are nice as well, but my personal preference goes to CDT. They make fantastic tweets. Of course Nakamichi does as well, then it comes down to a matter of hearing both sets. Me, i'd take the Euro series or the O7's over pretty much anything, unless someone was giving away a set of tweets from the SPS-6500 comp set...
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Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: September 16, 2005 at 9:57 PM
Ya know Teslank, when I read your post I don't get the vibe that you need new tweeters, just that you think the sound coming from your fronts is to 'bright'... you say they "scream" right? And certain high sounds have a pitch that seems to run right through you?
I think you need to try EQ'n your tweeters a bit. I'm not so familar with that Alpine, but you have an eq built into the thing .. You need to pull out your owners manuel and figure out how to turn your highs down a bit and see if that doesn't fix ur problem. Try centering in on 10Khz or so and dropping them down -2 or -3 and see if that curve doesn't tame down those highes a bit eh?
Your amp is absolutely fine to run those componets.
Don't stress it man, EVERY componet set I've EVER owned has sounded at least a little bit bright out the box... it really is the way they're built now.
Try some eq'n and post back with your results before you start throwing $200 at phantom problems.
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"I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: Teslank
Date Posted: September 17, 2005 at 12:06 PM
okay i will try to eq down some of the highs! thanks for your help all
Posted By: oxygen65
Date Posted: September 17, 2005 at 5:52 PM
plain and simple if you can get ur hands on a pair of focal tweeters, then ur set, they are awsome
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 7:00 AM
I got the same impression from your post as sedate did. The first and most important thing for you to do is to make absolutely, positively SURE that the signal going to the speakers is pure and unclipped. If you haven't used a test tone CD and set up your system with it, then do that first before replacing components for their sound quality. And remember that clipping can come from the head unit as well as the amplifier, so finding the highest clean signal the deck can make is vital.
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Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
Posted By: Teslank
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 4:01 PM
were can i find a tone test cd for free on the internet? i have heard alot about these cds but coudnt find any any good brands???
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 4:08 PM
Here: https://shareit1.element5.com/product.html?cart=1&productid=151791 Use this to make all the CD's you want. Comparably priced to the (limited) test CD's you can find pre-recorded, but with a lot more options. For free, you'll have to keep the recorded tones at 3 seconds in length, which is actually do-able because a CD will hold 99 tracks... Use sine waves (the pretty signal with the curves). For an idea of how a clipped signal sounds select square waves for a listen. In practice, you might hear a 'ticking' sound when the wave goes square as you set the system. And it changes slightly in pitch. ------------- Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
Posted By: Teslank
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 4:18 PM
thats cool any more programs for making tones? i have propellerheads reason V3 on my comp it is a very complicated program but i think i could try to use it to make some good tones!
Posted By: GlassWolf
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 8:40 PM
Teslank wrote:
im searching for a tweeter that reproduces voices just like if you were in front of the singing person and being capable of accepting 100RMS per channel( i have a lightning audio storm X1.800.4(100rms X 4)
i like listening at high levels but the sound of the tweeters must not seems to scream must sound smooth and accurate!.
The absolute best tweeter I know for what you're after is the DynAudio ESOTAR tweeter.
I'm looking at going to a pair of these from my present Dyn 1" tweeters in my system 360 front stage as we speak.
Some of the best tweeters I've ever witnessed in a car.
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 18, 2005 at 10:25 PM
Yeah, the Esotars ARE a fine tweeter, I had a pair for a home set I built about 8 years ago... Bookshelf speakers, to top it off! Kicking myself for ever selling that set of speakers!
BUT, if you wanna get REALLY crazy, try THIS ONE! Yep, you read that right... diamond! And yes, that's 2600 EACH!!!
Easier to actually lay your hands on than the Esotars, too! I say this because the Esotars are effectively made of Unobtanium. Dynaudio no longer sells to hobbiests in the US... They are SPECIFICALLY an OEM now. Bad choice on Dynes part, AFAIAC.
OR, for ONLY $1800 each, you could always use the Raven 3.2. Also easier to get your hands on, and a pure ribbon, which will blow the doors off ANY dome tweeter - even the Esotars... ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: September 19, 2005 at 8:23 AM
haemphyst wrote:
I say this because the Esotars are effectively made of Unobtanium.
Those and speakers made from Magiconium are tough to find.  ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: GlassWolf
Date Posted: September 19, 2005 at 11:44 AM
I wasn't trying to be sarcastic about the Esotars.. they are terrific tweeters, but I didn't know Dyn had gone strictly OEM for them.
Another option (realistically) would be to go to Madisound and order up some SEAS drivers. you could basically build your own Rainbow Reference CS630.30 actives without spending seven grand to get them.
You'd also get a very smooth front stage that gets plenty loud.
That's an option I'm considering for my next project in fact, depending on what car I end up playing with.. probably something smaller and better on gas than my current beast.
anyway, dyn and rainbow are great for smooth fluid response.. different from focal and infinity etc which are more aggressive and harsh with their tweeters.. and while many people love that response, thinking dynaudio and rainbow sounds flat or lacking.. I prefer a transparent, natural and laid back sound like they offer.
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-GlassWolf
Pioneer Stage-4, Orion, DynAudio, Fi
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