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Pre Output Voltage, Before Clipping

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: May 05, 2024 at 11:59 PM


Topic: Pre Output Voltage, Before Clipping

Posted By: ssnds
Subject: Pre Output Voltage, Before Clipping
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 5:19 PM

Pre Output Voltage (Before Clipping) : 2 Volts

can someone explain that to me?



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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 5:55 PM

This is important. Good to ask about this topic.

Basically your h.u will output a voltage in its pre amp signal (usually the rca cables). This voltage varies from deck to deck. It is important and usually good to have higher pre-outs, but there are OTHER variables to it as well.

So to answer your question now, that statement you have there claims that the h.u will produce 2 volts of output to your amplifier. It may produce more, but like a gain on an amp, if pushed too far it will clip and send a "square" signal. This will cause your amp to clip (bad).

If you are still unsure, there is some more technical info here. https://www.bcae1.com/preoutv.htm  



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Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:02 PM

Preout voltage is the voltage (measured in AC) put out to the RCA's.  If you were to view this signal on an o-scope, it would look something like a sine wave- a "squiggly line".  When the volume is turned up too high, the peak-to-peak voltage cannot be increased (due to the components limitations), so the tops and bottoms of the signal is "clipped off".  Viewed on an o-scope, the tops and bottoms would be flat across.

I tried to find a visual on www.bcae1.com to help better, but couldn't.  Maybe someone else knows where one is.



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Posted By: ssnds
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:03 PM

would a line driver help then?  line driver meaning up my preamp voltage to 4volts? 

good website though dwarren. somewhat to complicated for me.



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Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:06 PM
I've never had to use a line driver- it will do nothing to filter the signal, only amplify it.  Most amps will accept a 2 volt signal no problem, and as long as it's a clean signal, you shouldn't have any noise problems.

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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:09 PM

Line drivers often create more problems than do good. Yes they bump up voltage, but they often introduce noise into your system. They must be installed as to the h.u as possible. Most line drivers are cheap and poorly designed.

A low pre amp voltage isn't necessarily bad, the actual cleanliness of the signal is more important.



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Posted By: ssnds
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:13 PM

geepherder, i can visually see what your are trying to explain about the tops and bottoms being flat.. but what happens when that happens though..



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Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:15 PM

It sounds like garbage.



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Posted By: ssnds
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:16 PM
does that hurt the amp?

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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:26 PM
Doesn't hurt the amp, but your speakers will suffer.

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Posted By: ssnds
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:29 PM
can u two recommend any good rca cables?

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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:43 PM

I buy them based on price. Unfortunately, there is some contraversy on the subject. Some feel that more expensive cables are going to make a difference. I can't see spending huge amounts of money on rca's. As long as they are shielded and aren't going to break, it won't matter.

I have monster cables, they work. I install with stinger, they work.

knuconceptz is a company to consider too. they make some inexpensive, but quality products.



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Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 6:43 PM
I've never noticed a difference between cheap RCA cables and top dollar RCA cables.

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Posted By: ssnds
Date Posted: November 20, 2005 at 7:00 PM
thanks for the info tonight fella's. time for bed.. BACK TO HELL in the morning.. yah!!!

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Posted By: vogey
Date Posted: November 23, 2005 at 9:29 PM
so does that explain why some systems get there loudest at say 75% volume then when you crank it it just goes to hell?

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Posted By: customsuburb
Date Posted: November 23, 2005 at 10:07 PM

03 impalla...

I had an Alpine deck last year that was rated as having a 2 volt preamp output voltage. I doubt it would ever put out 2 volts without clipping badly though. I had two amps and I would have to have the gain up pretty high to get good output out of the amp (I didn't turn it up high enough for the amp to clip, just enough to reach full output from the amp). You could also hear some hiss in my systm in quiet parts of music.

I would reccomend getting a line driver if you can hear hiss through your system or have to have the gain up reall high. If you end up looking for a line driver try one from Audiocontrol. They make excellent products.





Posted By: youngone
Date Posted: November 23, 2005 at 10:33 PM
vogey= yes to a point but there are other varibles that come in to play to but basicly yes. and gust because your volume on your deck can go to 32 dosent mean you can turn it up that high.

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