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hello i listen to basically rock music all the time and next thursday im probably buying a sound system. I have been looking into parts of the sound system to see what i could get to work around my price range. What i have so far is:

Alpine MRP-M350 amplifier
2 12" kicker comp subwoofers c124 series (150 RMS)
and a sealed enclosure
(also all the appropriate wires)

what i was wondering is if anyone has that set up, or close to that set up, or has ever heard that set up played before and im asking your opinion on what you think about that setup and rock music

I listen to rock music too. I have a Kx1200.1 and two L7's. does a pretty good job. But due to price range that sounds pretty good. Personally if i were you i would save your money and buy some thing a little better. but how loud do you want it. do you want sq or spl or both.

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you can't be ahead of the curb if you aren't LIVIN LOUD

Rock music means its gotta be all about the SQ. Forget SPL cause thats for Rap. A sub with a wide frequency range and a couple of full range 6x9's will do you justice.

Sonic Electronix has lots of stuff in your price range im sure. Kicker Comps are on for 2 for $89. so if you got extra cash go for some CVR's or somethin a little bigger. Ampos arent my specialty so ill leave that to someone else.

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84 Mazda Rx7 GS
4 15" Audiobahn High Excursion
1 2500W Orion Amp
Custom Box

thats where i was looking... on sonic elecronix

the deal with 2 kicker comps for $89.99

anyone have a good suggestion to a nice set up around $300-500 that is good with rock music

also whats SQ and SPL?

SQ stands for sound quality. It's how responsive an smooth a speaker sounds. SPL is sound pressure level. It's how loud a speaker is. Usually rock is geared more towards SQ subs because of the quick beats. Rap is mainly for SPL speakers because it is loud and boomy, but doesn't hit all the notes if they are quick.

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That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.

so if im looking for a wide range of frequency...give me an example of wide range

would 27-500 Hz be good for rock?

audiobhan101 wrote:

Rock music means its gotta be all about the SQ. Forget SPL cause thats for Rap. A sub with a wide frequency range and a couple of full range 6x9's will do you justice.

This is an interesting statement. First of all, SQ=sound quality and SPL= sound pressure level (not to be confused with decibels). So why wouldn't you want a BALANCED system, consisting of the capabilities of (high) volume and good sound quality?. I just don't feel classifiying music types to different types of so called setups is reasonable. I would recommned auditioning different subs and speakers, and if you really feel like blending your system, consider what each speaker is capable of (frequency response) and setup your x-overs accordingly.

A good system will contain a clean source unit, excellent front stage and a solid sub section. I wouldn't even worry about rear fill. And this system would be capable of playing all types of music.

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alright thanks alot dwarren... lol one of my friends uses a screen name and in his name is "warren"

but i mean sound quality? will it be clear? i dont want a bad sounding system

i mean it would sound better then what i have now but i dont want to listen to a song and be like "ew"

You can go to THIS SITE to see what some people have had to say about these subwoofers. They should be relatively clear and you shouldn't be like "ew."

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That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.

Ok sorry for the double post, but my last link doesn't work. Just go to Crutchfield.com and look for those subs. You'll get some reviews.

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That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.

Again, with any reasonable system (reasonable=non spl bass junky system) Your most important sound stage is the front. Invest the most money here, i.e a really nice componet set. The source unit is very important as well. Then look in to some subs or a sub. Don't be shy of large subs so long as they are good quality. I say this to avoid the "slow "or "sloppy" response.

Take for example my system. I have a soild head unit and good front stage. i deadened my doors and they sound great. My subs are 15"s. They are very accurate and can play both rock/metal (today it was Metallica) and rap. This all equates to balance. This is where adutioning speakes with your OWN music becomes very important.

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alright thanks alot :)

now im just nervous that when i take them somewhere to have them installed in my car...that the mechanic wires the speakers right. 2 subs and one channel... they might be dumb

loudwhisper... You should take pretty much everything dwarren has to say to heart. He knows way more than I ever will. All the gold members and moderators are very experienced and intelligent people.

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That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.

Oh yea and I forgot. Where are you getting your stuff installed? Any car audio shop would be more than capable to wire 2 subs to a mono amp.

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That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.

arrow12 wrote:

loudwhisper... You should take pretty much everything dwarren has to say to heart. He knows way more than I ever will. All the gold members and moderators are very experienced and intelligent people.

Thanks! posted_image Just remember no one knows everything, and those stars mean nothing more than the number of posts ( I guess there are exceptions to this). Those who can admit their mistakes will be far better off.

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sorry for the double post

i was thinking about just taking them to circuit city and having them install it

also dwarren you said i dont want anything slow and sloppy...could u give me of an example where its just not worth it as in its slow

the subs i was looking at are 27Hz-500Hz frequency

I was trying to convey a common misconception with larger diameter drivers, I was suggesting that if it is a good driver to begin with (motor) the size of the cone will not hinder this. With that said, there are SO many great drivers to be had, and some at very good prices. Circuit City has some choices that meet both ends of this spectrum. Have you considered a small private shop? Customer service is golden, and as former CC emplyee, I questioned it there.

Come up with a few candidates and listen to them and you certainly could ask about them here.

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those kickers you are looking at buying. are not top quality. but they do sound fine for all types of music. and when they came out in the late 80's or was it the early 90's? they were hard to beat.

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alright thanks alot everyone...i think im going to go with them (they beat my system now...lol nothing but a headunit and stock speakers)

and then ill just save up in the mean time. Then ill buy a better system once i get a better car

loudwhisper wrote:

alright thanks alot :)

now im just nervous that when i take them somewhere to have them installed in my car...that the mechanic wires the speakers right. 2 subs and one channel... they might be dumb

i dont think mechanics install audio systems

lol

thats really all i have to say to that.

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84 Mazda Rx7 GS
4 15" Audiobahn High Excursion
1 2500W Orion Amp
Custom Box

Is this all predicated on you getting a new car? The stage you want to build is definitly prequalified by the car you want to design the system for......

Get the foundation first..... then build from there, all vehicles are different for audio qualities... An 83 Chev caprice vs. an 03 civic....ya know what I mean?

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dWarren, I have a question: although a component system would be the ideal way to go for the best sound for a front stage in most (or maybe just a lot of) cases, I think it would depend on where he was going to take his car to have the installation done and what kind of car he has. If he is going from factory to aftermarket, his vehicle may not have mounting holes for a seperate tweeter (if this is what you are referencing), which would more than likely mean some sort of modification to the door panels or dash. This would have to be figured in to the total cost of the system. Wouldn't it be wiser to start out with a good set of 2- or 3-way coaxials in this instance?

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VEHICLE: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2

i listen to rock and metal and i have 4 mtx 9000's 2 2000 watt amps a clarion equalizer 2 6 by 9's and 4 5.25's an 4 tweeters and an 800 watt 4 channel amp and the 4th amp is a cheap 400 watt amp to push the 2 6 by 9's

Paradigm wrote:

dWarren, I have a question: although a component system would be the ideal way to go for the best sound for a front stage in most (or maybe just a lot of) cases, I think it would depend on where he was going to take his car to have the installation done and what kind of car he has. If he is going from factory to aftermarket, his vehicle may not have mounting holes for a seperate tweeter (if this is what you are referencing), which would more than likely mean some sort of modification to the door panels or dash. This would have to be figured in to the total cost of the system. Wouldn't it be wiser to start out with a good set of 2- or 3-way coaxials in this instance?

I agree, however why bother only going part way. Do it once the right way so as to not have to go back and change it. I look at it this way, you've already got the door panel off to mount the speaker, why not just incorporate the tweeter in the door panel as well (if that's the only place). Pay the extra moeny then and there to avoid going back.

I am not opposed to the whole idea of coax's, because if they sound good to you, why worry.

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