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Topic: how do i know if i need 2 batteries

Posted By: pmendoza408
Subject: how do i know if i need 2 batteries
Date Posted: December 23, 2005 at 4:51 AM

 I tries looking for something similar to this but i was not able to find it. I would appreciate the help thank you. I wanted to know how i can figure out if i need two car batteries for the sound quality of my bass to be better aswell as my highs. Currently i have two 12 inch audiobahns (1100 rms) 4 6.5 pioneers (120 rms i think) 2 6x9 boston acoustic and six tweeters. My highs are powered by a 600.4 pioneer amp and my bass with a audiobahn 2200hct (1600watts) i currently have a hifonics 2 farad cap. I wanted to know if i should add a second battery.

Also my question would be what is better yellow top optima batteries or SVR batteries>?




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Posted By: ddsubman
Date Posted: December 23, 2005 at 9:21 AM

Yes, a second battery would help you. Your alternator will thank you!!!

As far as battery brands go, I've had optima and svr, and personally I prefer svr batteries. Look for a 75-12 series or a 100-12 series to add in place of your cap. The 100-12 series battery can be had for about $229 at an svr dealer.



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MA Audio HK4000D-Digital Designs 9515F
150+db with one woofer...DD rules!!!!




Posted By: j_darling2007
Date Posted: December 23, 2005 at 10:12 AM
The purpose of a second battery is to be able to run your stereo while the car is off. If your alternator is not strong enough, a second battery won't help, it may actually hurt, because your alternator has to charge 2 batteries back to full instead of one.  If you don't play your stereo much with the car off, don't waste the money on a battery, and save up for a HO Alternator.

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Posted By: ddsubman
Date Posted: December 23, 2005 at 3:29 PM

j_darling2007 wrote:

The purpose of a second battery is to be able to run your stereo while the car is off. If your alternator is not strong enough, a second battery won't help, it may actually hurt, because your alternator has to charge 2 batteries back to full instead of one.  If you don't play your stereo much with the car off, don't waste the money on a battery, and save up for a HO Alternator.

That's not entirely true. Sure a HO alternator is better than adding batteries, but thats' not what he asked. A spare battery is not for just running your system with your car off.  Almost every true spl competitor (high wattage classes) runs at least one extra battery whether they have an HO alternator or not. And we never, ever, run our systems with the vehicle off unless it is hooked to a high amp charger. I have 4 SVR batteries in my yukon right now, powering a 6000 watt rms system without a HO alternator and don't even experience any significant light dimming at high volumes. I have run my systems this way for many years, and have yet had to replace an alternator because of it.....I've also left my headlights on overnight in a drunken stupor and when I got up the next morning my truck would still start. Let's see a replacement alternator do that!



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Gettin' deafer by the day.......96' GMC yukon-Eclipse CD 5442HU
MA Audio HK4000D-Digital Designs 9515F
150+db with one woofer...DD rules!!!!




Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 12:02 AM
thank you for the info. i will definatly put a second battery in my car. i also wanted to know if i should use a zero gauge to connect battery from under the hood to the one for the beat or is a 4 gauge good enough? well thank you for all the help




Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 12:35 AM

From Car Audio Magazine:

"Batteries are rated by the amount of cold-cranking amperes they produce. A small import car is likely to have a battery rated at 500 CCA. A large battery would have a CCA rating of 1,000. How big a battery should you install? Most experts say get one as the available space will allow. If your vehicle's charging system is significantly short on amperes, then adding a bigger battery will only create additional problems. Adding a second battery is an option, but is not recommended for a variety of reasons.

"I think multiple batteries are a bad idea for vehicles that are daily drivers," says Jeff Triplett, director of technical services for Memphis Car Audio. "A second battery has to be charged by the alternator just like the primary battery, so you're just creating more work for the alternator. If the motor is off and the system is running off battery power, the multiple batteries are OK. However, daily drivers simply have little to gain from multiple batteries."

Another strike against having multiple batteries is the safety issue. Batteries can be dangerous if improperly installed, so great care should be taken if you are thinking of putting in a battery in a non-stock location. Consult a qualified installer if you feel you must have a second or third extra battery."



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Posted By: jlord16
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 1:20 AM

What is the factory alt rating on the yukon??



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Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 1:31 AM
multiple batteries does nothing but draw more current away from your system trying to charge two batteries when your car is on, but it does help when your car is off -- aka no use of alternator. ask just about anyone in the forum.

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Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 2:49 AM
so by this posts are you saying that by adding a second battery i could be doing more harm to my vehicle than help>? i am a bit lost because they say that for the car being off it is ok but when it is on it strains the alternator, so what is a fair answer? I would just like to get the best sound quality and stop my lights from being strobe lights when the bass hits.




Posted By: darthness
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 3:31 AM
Yes, adding a second batery will just put more strain on the alternator. your best bet would to upgrade the alternator and the big 3 wiring, put a redtop under the hood and if your still having any issues, add a yellow top.




Posted By: jlord16
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 4:51 AM

A second battery has to be charged by the alt aswell as the original batttery plus any other electronics are powered by the alt.  If the alt dosnt have the amps to power the equipment while the engine is running the batteries supply the rest of the current.  wen turned off two batteries would be more benifical but they woiuld eventaully drain aswell, i wuld do alt and big 3, then look at ur position maybe go to a better primary battery check out this link

https://www.bcae1.com/charging.htm



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Clarion DB36MP
Infinity Kappa Perfect 10"
Respone 800w Mono
ALPINE MRP-F250
*Custom fabrications*




Posted By: djfearny2
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 8:31 AM
heres the deal you have heard a few arguments regarding adding and not adding a second battery. they are all true and all false. i say this because everyone is an expert when it comes to something like a vehicles charging system. now if that were true than no question would have been asked. everyone has there opinion. thats the point.

there is plenty of things that can be done to increase the amount of power from your stock alt.

1 big thing and is required when adding a ho alt. upgrade the wire going from alt to batt. most cars trucks etc have either 8 guage wire or smaller comming from alt. i was working on a yukon the other day that had smaller than 8 guage wire comming from alt (factory) in that application i upgraded just the 2 foot peice of wire from that like 9 guage to 0 guage fusing it just incase. the difference in that little change was blinking headlights when two 15 were pounding to no longer blinking after wire swop.

My point is wire is one of the most important thing to have correct. because wire has resistence. and over a long piece of wire there is voltage loss. to keep voltage loss in a car to a min. do a little over kill on the wire. it aint going to hurt you other than in your pocket. but your amps will have less chance to be starving for power. try both things if you want or dont if you dont want.

a cap is used to supply a short burst of energy to a device in its imiediate area. meaning a cap will not do you any real good if it is to far away from the amp that is requiring the biggest pulse draw, for example when your bass hits. But that is all a cap is good for supllying a burst of energy stored in a close proximity to the amp. so that the power needed is there and does not have to travel through the length of the cable.

NOw it is true a second battery can help and hurt you., of course if the battery is not used in stock location the best bet is dry cell stinger or other. But one reason it can help you Just like a cap. if you put it close to your item that needs power there will be a loss of power need which caused flickering of lights. in your application your not running all that much so a second battery will probable help you but it will hurt you because it will cost more than 2 and change to do it right. you cant just put a second battery inline with out some type of isolation when it sits. a common way is a 200 amp relay that disconects power to second battery when system is off. you also have diode isolation for additional batteries in cars. but in the audio field that sucks becuase there is a voltage loss over the diodes.

The time in which you need isolation the most is when the car is sitting engine off. radio off everything off. what happens with no isolation is the batteries compete. and int he long run loose there power., so isolate it. 200 amp relays are the most common. along with many other devices you can get.

BUT if you your inlack of wire guage than a second battery willnot do you any good. 4 guage wire is not sufficient. there is not enough current alowd in 4 guage wire to make a difference.

your best bet and maybe the cheapest. go to ebay

Get your self some zero guage wire with a 0 guage fuse holder for the battery side as standard. check to see if you can upgrade wire from alt. do it if you can with 0 guage with 4 something.And then get a bigger more powerfull higher rated name brand cap. and most of your power issues will be kept to a minimum if that does not satisfy your systems needs. or go the expesive route.

Higher guage wire all around.
second battery dry cell.,
200 amp relay
good terminals for the battery (both)
thay make a pac peice that will control second battery and system for when you use system with car off.

if you want pictures i have plenty of my car with similar situation

I am running
4 amps
alpine mrv f540 Kick panels, front door mids. Tweaters on pillers.
Alpine mrv f 340 6x9 rears 2 tens on back deck for a three way system
Alpine f 320 alpine center channel single din speaker.
Hiphonics brutus 1600 A single 12w7 in fiberglass box.
three tvs, alarm remote start., gps. and various other things. all this runs on stock 100 amp alt and only a voltage drop of 14.2 to 13.4 is experienced when my system is cranked and bass is going. the way i did my wiring my battery reads the same voltage in the back as the battery i have in the front at all times. meaning i dont experience a big enough voltage loss in my wire to bother me. i have a second battery in the back stinger, with a 200 amp relay have pictures email me.

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Posted By: ddsubman
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 9:06 AM
jlord16 wrote:

What is the factory alt rating on the yukon??


My Yukon has a 100 amp alternator. Its' the same one that came on the truck when I bought it new in 96'.  I did the big 3 upgrade shortly after I  purchased it. I added 1 battery and have had no less than 3,000 watts rms of audio equipment in it ever since. Right now it is closer to 6,000 watts and I'm running 4 batteries.. It has been almost 10 years and still running strong. My personal experience is what I base my opinions on, not what I read somewhere or was told by a "guru". All the quotes in the world from audio gurus and techheads won't convince me to change it!  It worked for me, am I alone in this conclusion?



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Gettin' deafer by the day.......96' GMC yukon-Eclipse CD 5442HU
MA Audio HK4000D-Digital Designs 9515F
150+db with one woofer...DD rules!!!!




Posted By: jlord16
Date Posted: December 24, 2005 at 7:45 PM
Personal experoce counts for the most, but then again some people have bad expericenes.  By no means am i saying a second battery is bad, but other things like the big 3 need to be taken care of aswell as djfearny2 outlined.  Now i have a question, how the hell do u find out what ur stock alt is rated at.  Mine says nuthing about it in the manual specs or anything.  If you do a setup properly with a second battery it will work, the only problem some people ahev is they overlook things or use the wrong parts. 

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Infinity Kappa Perfect 10"
Respone 800w Mono
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*Custom fabrications*




Posted By: ddsubman
Date Posted: December 25, 2005 at 9:36 AM

jlord16 wrote:

Personal experoce counts for the most, but then again some people have bad expericenes.  By no means am i saying a second battery is bad, but other things like the big 3 need to be taken care of aswell as djfearny2 outlined.  Now i have a question, how the hell do u find out what ur stock alt is rated at.  Mine says nuthing about it in the manual specs or anything.  If you do a setup properly with a second battery it will work, the only problem some people ahev is they overlook things or use the wrong parts. 

Probably the simplest way to find out amperage on your alt would be to call an autoparts store and have them look one up for your vehicle. More than likely they will be able to tell you the amperage. Thats' what I did. There may be some where online you could look, but I'm not sure.



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Gettin' deafer by the day.......96' GMC yukon-Eclipse CD 5442HU
MA Audio HK4000D-Digital Designs 9515F
150+db with one woofer...DD rules!!!!




Posted By: pmendoza408
Date Posted: December 25, 2005 at 6:24 PM
djfearny2, i appreciate all your imput thank you alot. I also would like if you could post pictures if not email them to me please that way i have something to refer to thanks.
Pmendoza408@hotmail.com
Also i saw that hifonics makes a 0/1 gauge wiring and Boss makes one two the price difference is around 30 bucks what would be the best buy the salesmen told me that wire is wire and it would not make a difference. I just wanted to know. Know if i go with to yellow tops or svrs this will help somewhat from what i get but i must also consider a ho alternator where can i get info on this i have a 92 honda accord i went to a auto parts store and they told me that they only carry the ones to replace stock alt not any after market stuff. I also went to a mechanic and asked him if he could make my stock one pump out more juice he said that he didn't do that nore heard of it>? well i just wanted to know a bit. Thank you all for the help.





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