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Isobaric, Bass Reflex

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Topic: Isobaric, Bass Reflex

Posted By: taziam
Subject: Isobaric, Bass Reflex
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 1:50 PM

Ok need Hellppp I have 4 vega 10"  (vega 104)

and I want to put them into a Isobaric - Bass Reflex box

Need to know box and port size / legnth

anyone know ?????




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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 2:17 PM
Fisrt off, you will need to locate the t/s parameters for those woofers, then have a read here

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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 2:49 PM
dwarren wrote:

Fisrt off, you will need to locate the t/s parameters for those woofers, then have a read here
here you go https://www.cerwinvega.com/products/pdf/vega/Vega_subwoofers_manual.pdf




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 8:10 PM
Why do you want to ISO mount those?  Oh well, see page 11 of the manual you linked to.  Build an enclosure exactly like that shown for one woofer.  Mount all four in an Isobaric arrangement, and you'll be good to go.

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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 8:35 PM
DYohn] wrote:

hy do you want to ISO mount those?  Oh well, see page 11 of the manual you linked to.  Build an enclosure exactly like that shown for one woofer.  Mount all four in an Isobaric arrangement, and you'll be good to go.
  ok ha ha hah ha i can read the woofer parameters i need a box program to calculate the box size and port lenght  as i dont have one




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 11:31 PM
The proper enclosure size, port size and length are printed right there in the manual.  No need for a calculator.  Four woofers ISO mounted will require the same size enclosure as one woofer mounted normally.

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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 11:49 PM
DYohn] wrote:

he proper enclosure size, port size and length are printed right there in the manual.  No need for a calculator.  Four woofers ISO mounted will require the same size enclosure as one woofer mounted normally.
realy oh ok wow thanks sorry guess i missed that im sorry

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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 15, 2006 at 11:50 PM

taziam wrote:

DYohn] wrote:

he proper enclosure size, port size and length are printed right there in the manual.  No need for a calculator.  Four woofers ISO mounted will require the same size enclosure as one woofer mounted normally.
realy oh ok wow thanks sorry guess i missed that im sorry

so 2 chambers 2 woofers in each is equal to the 1.77 qubic ported same port etc hmm interesting



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 8:32 AM
You need to understand isobaric mounting.  Two woofers mounted isobaric requires 1/2 the enclosure volume of one woofer for whatever enclosure alignment you are using.  So, if you use 4 woofers, that will require one chamber that is the size normally needed for one woofer.  If you build to the specs suggested by the manufacturer you will be able to mount them in the size they have already calculated for one, although be sure you account for all that driver displacement so you end up with the same unused airspace as they specify.  Basically, you will not gain anything in terms of SPL over using just two woofers, but you will be able to handle vast amounts of power and the enclosure will be 1/2 the size normally used for two.  How it will sound is questionable, but if you want to go for it, then do.

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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 9:36 AM
DYohn] wrote:

ou need to understand isobaric mounting.  Two woofers mounted isobaric requires 1/2 the enclosure volume of one woofer for whatever enclosure alignment you are using.  So, if you use 4 woofers, that will require one chamber that is the size normally needed for one woofer.  If you build to the specs suggested by the manufacturer you will be able to mount them in the size they have already calculated for one, although be sure you account for all that driver displacement so you end up with the same unused airspace as they specify.  Basically, you will not gain anything in terms of SPL over using just two woofers, but you will be able to handle vast amounts of power and the enclosure will be 1/2 the size normally used for two.  How it will sound is questionable, but if you want to go for it, then do.
  ok gotcha now small question the port size length remains the same? as i need my trunk or rear for supplys for work space is limited cant install a box thats 7.08 cuft to run the woofers normaly so iso is the only space saver way i can think of




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 9:50 AM

taziam wrote:

ok gotcha now small question the port size length remains the same? 

Yes, as long as the internal volume of the enclosure is the same as they specify.



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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 5:40 PM
DYohn] wrote:

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taziam wrote:

ok gotcha now small question the port size length remains the same? 

Yes, as long as the internal volume of the enclosure is the same as they specify.


sorry to be a pain so then if im building 2 chambers 2 woofers in each.

each chamber will be half of the normal. what will be the port then ? half of normal recomended???





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 16, 2006 at 6:03 PM
No, ports do not work like that.  If you want to build two chambers, the Vb of each will be 1/2 that required for a single woofer, and the port length can be calculated using the "Port Length Calc" link on the left side of this site and the 35Hz tuning frequency recommended by CV.

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Posted By: taziam
Date Posted: January 17, 2006 at 11:27 PM
DYohn] wrote:

o, ports do not work like that.  If you want to build two chambers, the Vb of each will be 1/2 that required for a single woofer, and the port length can be calculated using the "Port Length Calc" link on the left side of this site and the 35Hz tuning frequency recommended by CV.
hey is there a way to calculate with dual ports 1 port is way to long 35" in a 12 " box




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: January 17, 2006 at 11:43 PM

taziam, it's hard for others to follow this post and learn something from it if you use a full quote from the previous statement each time you post the next question.  It makes it jumbled and confusing.  Just ask the question.  DYohn will pay attention to this thread.  Ain't nobody else answering to make anyone wonder whose answer you're referring to!  ;)



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 18, 2006 at 12:30 PM
Try this calculator to experiment with multiple port numbers:  https://www.carstereo.com/help2/Articles.cfm?id=31

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