4 10" subs
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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Printed Date: May 10, 2025 at 11:39 PM
Topic: 4 10" subs
Posted By: sprawl85
Subject: 4 10" subs
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 8:25 PM
I want to get 4 10" subs. I want ones that are pretty efficient, but good sound quality. If I could keep all 4 under 500 bucks total that would be nice too. What would you reccomend. Remember SQ is what I am really striving for here, and I am sure with 4 10's the spl will be up there pretty good too. ------------- fiberglass reminds me of peanut brittle... but fiberglass tastes better!
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Posted By: arrow12
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 8:35 PM
The best I could find was four of THESE or four of THESE. You might want to change the SVC to DVC, but I don't know how you want to wire them. ------------- That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 9:21 PM
If I get the dvc version of whatever I choose I can run it down to a 2 ohm mono amp and it will probably sound a little tighter than svc's at 1 ohm. I completely forgot about Image Dynamics... those look really nice. I like the .3-.6 cube box idea. I figure about half a cube for each one and I can make all four fit really nicely. Thanks for the suggestions arrow! Anyone else got some ideas?
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Posted By: arrow12
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 10:10 PM
You're welcome. ------------- That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 11:09 PM
I like the MTX stuff but the RT series isnt in the same league as the other two listed above. I would actually suggest the Infinity over the ID stuff. The ID is nice but I just think the Infinity is that much better, and for sq they are gonna work out nicley
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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 1:45 AM
No harm no foul, but the dude did say he wanted sq over spl (interesting statement for a guy who wants 4 10's) but either way if thats what he wants then the infinity or the ID is a better choice over MTX anything as they are geared towards being loud first and sq second. Like I said, I like the MTX stuff and am building my system with almost every piece being MTX but I dont think its the right sub for this cat.
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Posted By: arrow12
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 10:16 AM
SQ isn't geared towards speakers other than woofers. It's the whole thing. The subs are just as important as the components and other speakers. A crappy sub makes for a crappy system. ------------- That's my opinion. Take it, leave it, or correct me.
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 12:08 PM
However a low end sub in a well built enclosure can make up for some of the short commings
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Posted By: jvillefinest
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 12:20 PM
i would go with 4 jl 10w1v2. They are great sounding subs and retail for about 110 a piece. So you could go to an authorized dealer and get a full warrenty and still stay under that $500 limit. ------------- 2007 Acura TSX
SQ setup in the works
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 12:38 PM
Well I can get the Kappa perfects for 175 a pair, would the JL's sound better?
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 1:07 PM
sprawl85 wrote:
Well I can get the Kappa perfects for 175 a pair, would the JL's sound better?
Better than a 10W1? Not to my ears, but it really depends on the enclosure. And where can you get two Kappa Perfects for $175? Certainly not from an authorized dealer unless they are giving them away. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 2:03 PM
I have a friend that works at fry's. I would get the warranty on them for 20 bucks each which would put that total up to 215 a pair. But fry's doesn't sell JL... so I would have to pay full cost at a local dealer. 110 a piece does sound about the same, are they a lot better than the infinity's?
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 2:12 PM
Like I said, IMO a Kappa Perfect and a W1 are similar but I think the Infinity has better SQ. My only experience with them is my Kappa 12.1 in a sealed enclosure and a 12W1v2 in a ported enclosure. The JL could get louder, but the Infinity sounded better. YRMV. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 4:08 PM
By all acounts the infinity is a higher level sub than the JL is, however sound is a funny thing in that it all comes down to personal preference. I might love the sound of an infinity but you might listen to a JL or Alpine or whatever and to you it sounds better. Well since its your car, my opinion doesnt mean shhh and you should get whatever sub you want
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Posted By: arrow12
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 4:33 PM
The Kappa Perfect IMO, but listen to Ravendarat.
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 4:35 PM
bobditts wrote:
ofcourse the infinity would sound better than the JL if you are comparing sealed to ported. That doesnt mean the sub is better. All you were able to compare was the encosure. you need to compare each sub in a sealed encosure.
Actually you are wrong, as a properly designed ported enclosure can sound much better (or at least just as good) than a properly designed sealed enclosure as it can have much deeper low-end extension with the same woofer. The problem is most car audio enclosures (especially prefab ones) are not properly designed. It is not about getting loud. The JL W1 is not a very impressive speaker in my book. The Kappa Perfect is much better sounding IMO. JL makes some very impressive sounding speakers, but the W1 is not one of them. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 5:57 PM
Well I don't like the look of the JL anyways. Is there anything from resonant engineering that would fit my criteria, or are they all priced too high
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 6:16 PM
bobditts wrote:
my point was that you should compare subs that are in different boxes.
And I disagree with you. You should evaluate any speaker in the enclosure it works best in. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 8:14 PM
Once again though, as Dyohn said, compare the subs in their best enclosure. If a sub is recomended to be used in a small sealed box than you wouldnt ever want to use it in a ported box so why test it that way. If a sub is best in a large ported box or free air then test it as such, thats the way to get the best results. Then you leave no argument as to the box being the factor in one sub preforming better than another, because you are using WHAT THE MANUFACTURE SAID WAS THE VERY BEST FOR THEIR PRODUCT, and if they then say its because you didnt have or driver in a ported box or whatever then the blame goes back to them for loosing a customer as they obviously f'ed up their R&D on their own product
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Posted By: Blowntweeters
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 8:28 PM
i would demo as many subs as you can with a cd that you listen to often . and make a chioce on what sounds the best to you.
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Posted By: boardinbum
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 3:40 AM
bobditts - Most subs do come with a recommended sealed and ported enclosure. However, depending on how the sub is made, it will perform better in one than the other.
Sprawl - I agree with aarow and DYohn, I would choose a Kappa Perfect over a W1 any day of the week... Especially if I could get a steal on it like you.
I'm not sure if Fry's carries Alpine, but if they do, I think the Alpine Type R would be worth taking a listen to as well.
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 5:37 PM
Lots of good info guys, but I am limited on which brands I can demo because of the shops around me. If I am getting them from fry's I am having my friend in indianapolis buy them for me and ship them to my house then I am sending him cash. I live in champaign illinois currently and I am 3 hours from any big city and can't get time off to go demo any subs. We only have Best buy, circuit city and that's it for car audio. We had two other shops, one called good vibes and one called premier sound and design, but they both quit carrying car audio. I could probably plan a field trip but I would definately want a handful of differen't subs that I want to demo so I can go around to different shops in chicago, or indy, or st. louis, and knock them all out in one day. Any other kinds of subs you would suggest other than the kappa perfects?
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fiberglass reminds me of peanut brittle... but fiberglass tastes better!
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: March 20, 2006 at 5:43 PM
Oh yeah and the type R's with only 83db sensitivity and 500 watts power handling seem too power hungry for me. This is going to be in a cavalier and a yellowtop and HO alt needs to run 4 10's and 100 x 2 to some mb quart components.
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