Kicker or Eclipse?
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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: May 27, 2024 at 7:44 PM
Topic: Kicker or Eclipse?
Posted By: bootanger
Subject: Kicker or Eclipse?
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 9:48 AM
Hey guys, i work at CC and we started carrying Eclipse...but we also carry kicker. I want to know your opinion if i should get two Kicker L7 12 or 10 inch, or two Eclipse Sps122(i think that was the model, the better eclipse subs) or two 10's of that...and if i should get an eclipse amp or kicker? Post your suggestions
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Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 10:03 AM
Well, the kicker sub should move a little more air in the same size because of its square design, but the eclipse will make up for that in quality. Make a decision, do you want loud muddy bass(kicker), or loud punch in the chest bass(eclipse)? Definately go Eclipse amp tho, there is no comparision between the quality of Eclipse and Kicker in that department.
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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 10:53 AM
Kicker or Eclipse is like comparing McDonalds to a fine resturaunt. Kicker is mass-market quality. Eclipse is audiophile quality. Do you want hamburger or steak? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: bootanger
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 11:18 AM
Ya, i think ill do eclipse. I get 60% off, it will still be pricy but worth it. For the Sw9122 series or Swp102 series subs, RMS 750 watt at 4ohms, what kind of amp from eclipse? or Kicker (i know you said eclipse amps were better, but the kicker...kv750.1 i think would be could, RMS would match perfectly...). I dunno, im willing to do whatever u guys suggest. I also dont know if i should run one amp to each sub, or get a big enough amp to run both at the same time. Also, for pushing that much power do you think i will need bigger then a 2 farad cap? I have another amp for the components to, i was just thinking of mabye getting another, or is this a way to possible add an extra battery? Sorry for the many questions, thanks for the help guys! (im an amtuer, but my friends from the store are helping me install it, but i just want the professionals opinions..not that they arent professionals..)
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 11:44 AM
Go for whatever sub you have room for, the added cone area of the 12 will be louder for shure, there wont be a sound difference between the 10 and 12 as some amatures may say, so if you can fit the 12 in the proper box ( approx 1.25 cu.ft sealed) go for it. As for powering the sub look into the DA7122 if you get one sub, or the DA7232 if you get 2, BUT with this much power you MUST get an aftermarket high output alternator for your veh such as one from www.ohiogen.com, www.mechman.com, or https://stores.ebay.com/Iraggi-Alternator-and-Electronics_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZQ2d33QQftidZ2QQtZkm , there are other companys out there too that have come good alts for decent prices, but stay away from re-wound alternators, they tend to over heat and melt. ------------- 2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 12:38 PM
Use the Eclipse DA7232 for a pair of those big nasty beast of a sub and call it a day.  The other option is to drop back one level in the subs into the aluminum cone series, the SW8200 which is a single 4 ohm coil. You can then use a single DA7122 amplifier on a pair of the subs. It will be way more than loud enough and give you tonal response that will leave the Kicker hiding in the corner like a scared little child. ------------- Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 12:41 PM
let that be an indicator for all you CC shoppers... staff gets 60% OFF..... and i'm sure they are not buying AT COST...so you know what they are making when you start to shop lol
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Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 1:01 PM
While the original poster should not have included this kind of information that Kevin has alluded to above (bootanger you should know better, please keep industry info to yourself), It is 60% off of suggested retail (which CC can make up any price that they want). It should be noted that very very few companies actually sell at full suggested retail, most are way under full suggested retail.
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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.
Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 1:07 PM
DYohn] wrote:
icker or Eclipse is like comparing McDonalds to a fine resturaunt. Kicker is mass-market quality. Eclipse is audiophile quality. Do you want hamburger or steak?
How bout we all go to Steak-N-Shake and get a steakburger and call it a day?  Go with Eclipse - your stomach will thank you.  ------------- VEHICLE: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2
Posted By: bootanger
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 2:41 PM
the 60% off is from MSRP, therefore i dont get it off the best sale price from wherever...and its not really sensitive material Forbidden, in other words CC allows me to tell u, but not buy it for u..Kinda dumb, but actually is most likely dont to show the perks of the retail job, cuz they are always hiring because of high turn over (like any company)..but if u think its a big deal, then im sorry (: Andlike u said the money they make isnt that much, CC may sell a sub for 100 bucks, but buy it from the manu for 80, and allow staff to by it for 95..in store discount sucks, but some companies..such as eclipse, allow us to buy directly from the manu for well below what cc gets it for..anyways, i will need a new alternator...hmm...sounds expensive...but ill look into it.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 3:08 PM
Paradigm wrote:
How bout we all go to Steak-N-Shake and get a steakburger and call it a day?
Ah yes, the old GRAY-AREA restaurant analogy. Hmm, so what would be the Steak-N-Shake of the audio world... Alpine? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: bootanger
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 3:29 PM
If my truck has the tow package i presume it has a slightly bigger alt (4.7, V8 2001 dakota)...cant i just surpass with using a 2 farad cap for each amp running 750 rms each, plus another eclipse two channel..200 rms? The total pull is 1700 watts, which would be about 140 amps? Im running two kappa perfect 10.1, with a 1211a amp, and another 200 rms through pio amp running my component now, and only have one cap, and everything is fine. I just make sure i dont leave the car off with the stero running for long (: So anyone think i can survive with that much amperage pulling off a heavy duty battery and a couple 2 farad caps? Is it possible i could add another battery in my cab next to my amps or something right?
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 3:47 PM
Don't use any caps is my advice. Properly install the amps and subwoofers first and see if your alternator can hanldle the load. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 3:50 PM
Whell, if your pulling 140 amps ontop of what your vehicle already pulls, then you for shure no doubt need a new alternator if this is your daily driver in which you listen to the music loud around town. The stock alternator no matter how big it is was only made that big to deal with the demands the vehicle can draw which is usually 75% of what the alternator can produce on its best day. So...you have 25% approximately left on your alternator to add aftermarket electronics to (assuming your alternator is kept in an ice box..highly unlikely) which equates to approximately 20-25 amps extra for the average stock truck alternator....wheres this extra 115-125 amps going to come from? Definately not from the magical power producing flux capacitors, thats for shure. Definately take the $$$ you have right now and shop for an alternator, then get that MEAN Eclipse system, if you keep it powered up properly it will hammer hard alllllll dayyyyyy longggggggg.  Enjoy!
------------- 2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 6:31 PM
bootanger, what dept do you work in? Mind if I ask?
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Posted By: ferretvw
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 6:56 PM
Just a litle info for you guys as I also work at CC I can give you a little insight. the price quoted above is actually below cost there is quite a markup on car audio equipment as hopefully you all know but that 60% off puts it below the cost that circuit city buys it for the reason we get it for cheaper is that we are actually buying directly from Eclipse/Kicker. So people buying from the store aren't getting ripped off like that post made it seem.
Posted By: bootanger
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 10:02 PM
I didnt make it seem like they were, i wa sjust using an example mark up is limted. Im in college, i work in the tv deparment and sell tv's when im in town. (so ya ya, i dont know jack about car audio..or very little, thus is why im on the boards here trying to figure this stuff out..which i do appreciate)...so ok, alternator it is, i just gotta find one for a dakota. Do dealers generally carry that stuff? or will they charge me an arm and leg
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