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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Printed Date: December 05, 2021 at 8:12 PM


Topic: Shallow sub

Posted By: polo3211
Subject: Shallow sub
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 3:33 PM

I am trying to decide between a pair of the Earthquake SWS 8" or the Pioneer Premeir.  I am planning on using these in a stock location in my e60.



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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 4:07 PM
Im thinking the pioneers. Im not a huge fan of them, but for a thin sub they do alright




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 6:17 PM
Or the Blaupunkt overdrive subs, AVI has a very good shallow mount 10" sub, the SLS500 IIRC.

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Posted By: frydchkn
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 6:33 PM

I haven't seen the Earthquake, but I can vouch for the Premier first hand.  I had it in a 92 s10 (not extended cab) behind the seat in a custom box half the size recommended from Pioneer and a 500 Watt Premier to power it.  I wasn't to wild about buying a 'shallow' speaker, but it earned my respect.  My buddy has 2 diamonds in a corolla with a 1,000 watt kenwood and must I say....dare to compare.  Everyone was stumped..."Where are the subs?", I always pointed quickly at the alpine 6x9's on the door and gave them the credit.  If you get it, don't do what I did...I kept the seat so far back it kept the woofer from traveling all the way leading to premature wear..(thank goodness for warranty).  For the new one I clicked my seat one notch forward and voila. Just a little bit of input on your output.

"Beat down yo block knockin pictures off the wall"

Maxxed Outt





Posted By: spookiestylez
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 8:20 PM

Rockford  punch P3 shallow

sS





Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: May 24, 2006 at 1:18 AM

The Earthquake has the best cone suspention in the business.....good enough for Pioneer to use it and pay a dollar per sub to Quake for every one produced.

These woofers WORK....they are NOT for extreme sub bass though, so don't be sold a "false bill of goods" 85% of the bass in the same space! You just have

the option of constructing an enclosure that will damn near fit anywhere. OF COURSE....my vote is for Earthquake!!!



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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 24, 2006 at 9:49 PM
The earthquakes, from even a RUDIMENTARY technical standpoint are CRAP... All the rocking modes in those things guarantee crappy, non-linear bass. I mocked them openly at the CES when I saw them. I mocked them openly in FRONT of the Earthquake people, and all of their potential customers... I had no problem doing so! Charles (one of my speaker engineer friends from Harman) then got ahold of them... Oh, man... I was being NICE! Those things are TURDS...

I would go with Rob's suggestion. If he likes 'em, they'd be good enough for me, I'd wager... The AVI or the Blaupunkt would probably be a better choice. I am not personally familiar with either of them, but I can tell you that the Pioneers and Earthquakes are garbage.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."




Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: May 25, 2006 at 12:39 PM
I'll get right back to ya on this one.....thanks for your patientsposted_image

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Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: May 25, 2006 at 1:20 PM

patients?   are you a doctor?   or did you mean patience?

the Blau Overdrive "Sonic Saucer" subs will surprise you... at least give them a listen before you run out and buy something else... what you like will be totally subjective anyway... but you may as well audition a good cross section.....



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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: May 25, 2006 at 8:17 PM

Well, 12volters....please DO take note of haemphysts comment!  My,my! In my 43 years on this planet, 21 of them in the electronics industry, I am constantly amazed at the small percentage of people that have found it difficult to show class, or any modicum of restraint. I would hesitate to even ask some to spell the word "diplomacy".  (Yes I know...I can't spell patience). Too much testosterone, and NOT enough good behavior.

Let's see if we can take a look at this subject objectively. I care NOT wether or not my personal opinions are validated by others, because I have learned to attempt to displace my testosterone with a few brain cells and do some actual research.

FIRST,lets look at who designed this Earthquake SWS woofer. (I believe it was called a "turd") Joseph Sahyoun is the lead engineer on this woofer project, and his resume reads like the "who's who" of M.I.T. Having been an engineer for NASA designing missle tracking systems, home audio speaker systems for some of the high profile names in the industry we would all recognize.Carrying patents on over 100 different designs..ranging from sub's, amp's , speakers, and electronic devices of all sorts, he has proven via his actions that he is both viable, and prolific.

He is officially a genius, with an IQ approaching 200. (unlike mine, just shy of 125) I'm just plain old dumb...I guess!

Sadly, when our poor deluded friend Mr. haemphyst claims to have walked into the booth at CES and publicly denigrated this design to those within the booth, he has proven himself a FOOL. Attacking the design that many in the industry who are more successful, more intelligent, and are decicion makers in this industry, have chosen to reguard as innovative and a REAL problem solver, is probably not a good way to bolster one's credibility.

Mr. Sahyoun is known world wide for his expertise in subwoofer design. Magazines such as Stereophile, Digital Home Theater, Absolute Sound, have raved about several sub products submitted by Earthquake. Stereophile, easily the most prestigious reviewer, gave Earthquakes SureNova 15 a "AAA" rating! The ONLY subwoofer to receive this high an award. (no turd here folks) Let's move on......

BOTTOM LINE:  Are there louder subwoofers? Are there better looking subwoofers? You bet! They just aren't thin! Pioneer is one of the true speaker manufacturers in the world, and even they had to acquiesce to this remarkable design and purchase the rights to it!

Well, responses are welcomed. So are opinions. There are three kinds of responces. Agreement, which is nice, but not necessary. An alternative opinion, with some facts, wich is also nice. I always thrive on factual alternative viewpoints. Then theres the snotty, testosterone driven, rude remarks that prove the writters ignorance. Let's raise the "class" of this descussion.

THIS DOESN'T DO JUSTICE TO THIS FORUM.

Peace out!



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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 25, 2006 at 9:10 PM
OK... I can take it... While Earthquake DOES build some very fine woofers, (and I never said they DON'T) I specifically mentioned the SWS woofers. They are not even CLOSE to as good as the other products in the line. Someone mentioned Pioneer's license, also... anybody can license from anybody, if the cash exchange is high enough, it doesn't mean they are GOOD drivers... Will it sell? Can we market this, and make more than we have into it? Does it look good? Will it sell? (Yes, I repeated it, because that's the question on EVERY manufacturers mind)

I mentioned also, SPECIFICALLY the rocking modes. This is aimed DIRECTLY at the AUDIBLY non-linear bass these drivers (as I said in my previous post) will (and do) produce. Without even pressing with any pressure, I was able to make the coice coil rub in them. This is NOT good, ever.

This particular woofer is aimed at a niche market, a niche market that can probably be better served with a different woofer... This example (the SWS) is a band-aid, and one with too small an absorbent pad, IMO. While I admit I was a bit harsh, I still stand by my bashing of these woofers. They are a bad design, and they do NOT sound good. They are "long throw", short voice-coil, underhung woofers, with poor spider design. I am not a speaker designer, I cannot say what would be better, but ANY woofer should be better at linearity than these have proven (to me) to be. If this happens to be the best that Earthquake can do, good on 'em, but they are NOT good enough for me.

I am sorry I went off like I did. It was out of character for me, certainly. I still believe there are probably better shallow mount woofers available out there. I have never heard all of them, but I have heard the SWS, and I will reiterate - I was unimpressed. They are NOT accurate drivers.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."




Posted By: spookiestylez
Date Posted: May 25, 2006 at 10:09 PM

Rockford makes the Punch P3 shallow,check em out

sS





Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: May 26, 2006 at 3:55 AM

The poor lad was looking for a band-aid. And the way you thrust your opinion on ALL of us.....it just plain stunk!

Re think your approach young man...........you believe what you NEED to believe, and reiterate all you want too.....it's still just your

opinion..... I stand by my approach, and my post! Good luck to you. I Love it..........



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Posted By: frydchkn
Date Posted: May 26, 2006 at 7:18 AM

I've come to the conclusion that there are two types of people that upgrade their car audio...those that like 'loud' and those that like 'acoustics'.  I'm pretty sure everyone has ran into the guy that, after hours of tweaking to get the best sound out of his system, he pulls over 1 block away from your shop and cranks up all the gains all the way up.  This is the guy you want to sell some of these speakers to, they might not be linear but this guy is happy with all the 'noise' he can get. 

If someone inquires about a shallow sub, I am hoping its because of lack of space and not because they think its 'cool' (that opens up another category of audiophiles).  I would never recommend any shallow sub to anybody who rolls in with a trunk.  To this day I have installed 5 shallow subs (all different brands), 3 single cab minitrucks, a towtruck and a refridgerated cube truck. 

Me being a fan of acoustics, I think I wouldn't mind if my bass was unlinear while I tow sum cars.  All in all, my point is, there is an application for everything, don't try to substitute the subs in your trunk with some of these...dare to compare.  But when it comes to lack of space...these guys can work wonders, beats the hell out of having 2 6x9's.

"Beat down your street knocking pictures off the wall"

Maxxed Outt






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