lookin for a good sub

I recently abandoned my hopes for a free air set up in my 06 toyota tundra double cab. I tried a few ideas with a baffle under the rear seat in the storage compartment and nothing will keep me happy. I plan on keeping one of my seats flipped up and tucking a box behind it that I can remove easily when needed. The biggest box I can put in there is about 4 sq. ft. I have a soundstream class A 1000 watt amp and it was dyno tested at 1050 watts rms at .5 ohms. That is what I plan on using. I have ruled out the solo barics because of the lack of sound quality. I was thinking about the new JL Audio 12 w6 that is out but I am not sure yet. My budget is a slight issue but I would rather spend the money and be happy than by junk. I don't mind dropping a few hundo if I have to. What are the opinions on the new W6's and others in its class? Are any of the new Soundstream subs worth looking at? Any help would be appreciated.

Solobarics will have great SQ if in the proper enclosure.

Eclipse aluminum cone subs are a standoff favorite for me. A piar of 12's in a 2.5 cu.ft. sealed box will do the trick easily.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.

What kind of enclosure will give the solo baric good sq?

An enclosure that is built to spec and tuned properly.

If Jeff comes around here he can tell you...He's all about solo's.

There are a lot of good sounding subs out there.  So many that I would not personally do a solo-baric after all the negative things I've heard when you have so many others to choose from.  I would figure out what your goals are; space you would like to use, how loud you want it, money you would like to spend, etc. and then find a sub that fits that criteria.

True...There is an endless line of subs to choose from.

treo tsx or ss are very nice

I ended up with the 12 inch w6v2. I am sure there might be better speakers for the buck but I have run JL for the past three years and I am comfortable with them. The local stereo shop sold it to me for 300 bucks new in the box. That was the final selling point. Thanks for all of your suggestions and I will post to let you know how it turns out.

What enclosure are you going to put it in?

I will probably put it in a ported enclosure. I want to squeeze every ounce out of this because there is only one. It has been my experience that JL's SQ does not suffer that much when they are ported. My last setup had 3 JL 12 w3's and I miss it dearly. I purchased Infinity reference components for the front and coaxials for the rear doors so I can have a clean full sound. I am also going to strip my interior and lay brown bread sound dampner through the whole truck to seal the bass in tight.

I am trying to think of the best way to angle the sub. I am going to flip and fold up one of my seats and put the box behind it. There are 2 different ways I could do it. One is with the sub facing the roof of the cab and the other is with the sub facing the back of the cab. If I did it facing the back of the cab there would only be about 3-4 inches of space between the sub and the rear wall. If I did it facing towards the roof I could angle the sub to face towards the rear of the cab. Would there be any advantages/disadvantages to either configurations? What do you guys think?

While were on the subject, has anyone else witnessed and hear what Volfenhag's sound like.  My older brother had two of them in his expedition, 12 inchs, they sounded pretty good, and they have such a low price, but that was back before I got really into car audio (late 2003).

Would anyone recommend them in a serious setup?

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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.

Would it be better to face the subs forward into the car or backwards toward the rear?

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Proudly stuffing large packages into small boxes since 1983.

I had the magnets fall off a pair of volfenhag... well the magnets and the whole motor structure just separated from the basket...   So I wouldn't use them in a serious setup.

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fiberglass reminds me of peanut brittle... but fiberglass tastes better!

Damn, it was german engineered too.  Was it a used subwoofer?

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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.

I used to carry Volefnhag when I had my shop running, For an entry level product I liked them alot.   The protection curcuits would prevent people from re-wiring what I had done and blowing up the equipment.   The 4 channel amps are a little overrated but they are quite clean for a cheap price.

The (high end subs) actually were very very loud and somewhat clean when powerd by a good amp.

we did a drop in test with one volfenhag 12 vs 1 w6v2 with both in a custom box designed to spec, both of them on a old rockford 800.2

the volfenhag actually got over a full db louder, but was not as clean as the JL.   But for the normal listener they would not have noticed the diffrence.

If I remember the boxes right both were around 1.8 cu ft tuned to 38 hz with a slot port.   The JL got lower and alot tighter response, so I would deam the volfenhag as a (rap) sub.    

I didnt do any long term testing for myself, but I do know both setups are still running to this day, slightly 4 years after the install date, with all orignal equipment.



As far as the kicker box goes, I cant remember the exact specs but I have been playing with it quite often and came out with

3.35-3.65 cu ft internal before displacement

2.25 x 13.25 x 24 slot port

1 kicker L7 now powered by 1 kicker kx1200.1

144.6db term lab at 41 hz    

will remain very tight for music like NIN, and get very low for rap.   The box still prefers lower notes as I dont have the response completly level yet, but I might work on it some more soon

I am really tempted to see what we can come up with with 2 subs in 2 boxes and 2 kx1200's



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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place

Also, I noticed that JL's instruction manual says to use a slotted port. Is there a advantage by using this as opposed to cutting a hole out and using plastic pipe?

I have found that when using a slot port over a round port, there is less noise, espically over just a piece of round pipe.   and a much smother response.

The only way to properly have a round port in my opionion is to use a percision port or sero port which have tapered ends.    besides that I only use slot ports

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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place