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I was looking around for a nice deep bass sub. where it hits very hard. I'm looking at the alpine type x and all the reviews says it hits really hard. Im going for SQ and not SPL. I then looked on this site for previous posts about alpine type x and its mixed emotions. I've seen some posts that talk about other subs blowing a type x out of the water with a harder deeper hit. CAn anyone tell me what subs hit harder then a type x? ..Im looking to push about 400rms watts. budget isnt really a problem if i get what i pay for..if i gotta spend 50 bucks for something that is going to last me twice as long or give me 50%more Sq then something else...i might as well just spend the extra 50....anyways...anyone know anything that hits harder then a type x?

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I guess that guy has subs.

while the choice of sub is very important its also about the type of enclosure you put it in. I own 2 MYX 8500s which are much better than alpine type X in my opinion and im on my 3rd different box for them. And yes im going for a SQ setup too. You might have to experiment with the box types as well. Good luck!

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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby

Eclipse aluminum and titanium series will work nice in this application, real real nice actually.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.

judging by ur creditals forbidden..... i think im going to go with Eclipse aluminum and titanium series . =)

I've seen eclipses but wasn't sure if it was a good brand or not. I started to see more and more posts that have high end stuff pop the name up so im guessing its a good brand. It is hard and deep correct? Not looking to blow my windows out just to make my chest hit the windshield =)

Thanx for the feedback..forbidden and killer sonata....appreciate the replies

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I guess that guy has subs.

X2 on the Eclipses. Heard some in person once and I loved them.

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2 Diamond Audio D3 12s
Hifonics ZXi1006 amp
MB quarts all around and a Panasonic up front. You wanted to know don't lie...

Ill also throw a vote in for eclipse, but only for their titaniums. If you arent too concerned about the price through, you should take a look at focals subs. They have always been known for their high end equipment. Im running some of their speakers. I wish i had the cash for their subs and amps.

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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby

so here it is

https://www.audiooutfitter.com/store/SW7304DVP.html

thats the correct ones you guys are talking about correct? Im geting 2 10"s because i heard 12"s have a little lag sometimes and doesnt hit as hard..is that just a myth?

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I guess that guy has subs.

I really like the Alpine Type X...It's more about enclosure and I've heard the Type X in the right one and it hits real quick, deep, and hard.

I also like the Eclipses also though...they're high end equipment is pretty good...I like their amps.

how did you like ur type x's? how much wattage were u sending to it? how did it sound?

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I guess that guy has subs.

My friend has two Type X 12's in a vented box...I forget the tuning though...Powered by two MRD-1005's...So at full blast about 1000 watts a piece.

Sounds clean and quick...and can get LOUD...very LOUD.

aznboi..does it hit hard sq or is it like those SPL LOUD subs??

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I guess that guy has subs.

It's clear...real clear...and when he wants it can get loud and still maintain sound quality.

It's kinda like an sql sub I guess. Hits hard and clear.

oh no here we go again. There is NO SUCH THING as SQL!!! if you think there is, explain to me what SQL stands for? also, go to you next competition and tell them you want to enter the SQL category.

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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby

killer sonata wrote:

oh no here we go again. There is NO SUCH THING as SQL!!! if you think there is, explain to me what SQL stands for? also, go to you next competition and tell them you want to enter the SQL category.

SQL = Sound Quality LOUD!

SQ Cap is 135dB correct? so an SQL Car would play far beyond 135dB & still have the SQ & Clean install for the SQ Comps all fuses & the goods.. Thats what I would think.

Peace Troy

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Kia Spec 5
Alpine IAW-505
JL HD600/4
JL HD 750/1
Alpine SPX-17Pro
RE Audio SE10
Tsunami Install Parts

lolzitsmtss wrote:

I was looking around for a nice deep bass sub. where it hits very hard. I'm looking at the alpine type x and all the reviews says it hits really hard. Im going for SQ and not SPL. I then looked on this site for previous posts about alpine type x and its mixed emotions. I've seen some posts that talk about other subs blowing a type x out of the water with a harder deeper hit. CAn anyone tell me what subs hit harder then a type x? ..Im looking to push about 400rms watts. budget isnt really a problem if i get what i pay for..if i gotta spend 50 bucks for something that is going to last me twice as long or give me 50%more Sq then something else...i might as well just spend the extra 50....anyways...anyone know anything that hits harder then a type x?

Just becouse a sub has a lower RMS dose not meen its a lowend sub.. The Type X is what 1000/2000 RMS/Peak thats the same class as a Image Dynamics IDMAX, JLW7,RE XXX ect ect.. Im getting ready to install a https://www.soundspliter.com RL-i8 300RMS Loud As Hell, They Make 8,10,12's & 15's give them a look Other subs that wang on 400w I would look at The OZ Matrix Subs, Image Dynamics IDQ (Ported) sound very nice & can hit well.. Not sure what else I can think of.. good luck

Peace Troy

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Kia Spec 5
Alpine IAW-505
JL HD600/4
JL HD 750/1
Alpine SPX-17Pro
RE Audio SE10
Tsunami Install Parts

I know there really isn't such a thing at SQL...It's just a way some people use as a description.

I use it to say that the Type X is loud and clean at moderately high volumes.

troy_audi0 wrote:

SQL = Sound Quality LOUD!
SQ Cap is 135dB correct? so an SQL Car would play far beyond 135dB & still have the SQ & Clean install for the SQ Comps all fuses & the goods.. Thats what I would think.
Peace Troy

Sound quality loud? that doesnt even make any sense. just cause you made it up doesnt mean its write. Refer to the topic started by Ravendarat about this so called "SQL"

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=80013&PN=0&tpn=1

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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby

Look into Diamond Audio as well. Ive got a 10inch D3 subwoofer at 400 watts RMS and it takes it like a champ. Diamond Audio has always been known for its loud audiophile quality sound. www.diamondaudio.com

lolzitsmtss wrote:

so here it is
https://www.audiooutfitter.com/store/SW7304DVP.html
thats the correct ones you guys are talking about correct? Im geting 2 10"s because i heard 12"s have a little lag sometimes and doesnt hit as hard..is that just a myth?

If we're dealing with the same subs a 12 inch will not sound like its "lagging" compared to a 10 incher. It's a story you hear a lot at circuit city, best buy, even some shops but bigger cone size is not why a sub might sound like it lags. Here is a great article about it. https://www.adireaudio.com/Files/TechPapers/WooferSpeed.pdf

and this one too https://www.adireaudio.com/Files/TechPapers/GroupDelay.pdf

Now what I would do is try to go out and listen to these subs (or whatever ones you are interested in) in a local shop. They usually know what they are doing and should be able to help you to find the right one.

Eclipse Aluminums... BUT buy them from an authorized dealer, NOT off the internet.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

another great sub to look at is the JL 12w6v2. i sell both the type x and the w6 at the shop and chose the w6 over the x because the w6 sounds a little better to me. and as far as price the 12w6 and type x are right at the same RETAIL price point .

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2007 Acura TSX
SQ setup in the works

Thats what im planning on doing tomorrow but there arent any real local audio shops. All the Audio shops are run by non-english speaking guys just trying to make some money. i live in nyc actually about 20min from the city towards the island =). Anyways i look around and they got all kinds of equipment but nothing hooked up nothing u can hear, just equiptment out the ass. So its kinda hard to find a local dealer who is english and i can talk to except for circuity city and best buy and chain stores like that. The local shops are all authorized dealers just there is no setup that u can try out and doodie..so yeah im going to go look around and see what else is out there..anyone got any other brands they think i should check out besides the type x's and the eclipses?

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I guess that guy has subs.

I wouldn't recommend the Diamond D32. I have them in my car and they aren't that loud at all. In fact I'm thinking of adding 2 more 12s to make it louder. Maybe some D9s, but even still Elipse Titaniums are on the next level IMO.

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2 Diamond Audio D3 12s
Hifonics ZXi1006 amp
MB quarts all around and a Panasonic up front. You wanted to know don't lie...

Teddy, what enclosure are they in?

aznboi3644 wrote:

Teddy, what enclosure are they in?

I had a shop build the ported enclosure to the specs that diamond gives on their site.

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2 Diamond Audio D3 12s
Hifonics ZXi1006 amp
MB quarts all around and a Panasonic up front. You wanted to know don't lie...

Ic...you could use WinISD and try to design a new box for those...but if you have the money than go for the new subs.

I may get my azz chewed for this, but I cannot believe no one has mentioned the Solo X series by Kicker.

SoloX 18 - 5000W RMS / 10000W Peak
SoloX 12 - 2500W RMS / 5000W Peak
SoloX 10 - 2500W RMS / 5000W Peak

I am planning putting a SoloX 10 into a 93 Chrysler Concorde, if you know of anything between a 10" and 12" that hits harder, pending the right box, please let me know, because I promised my friend an insane setup.

I told him, after I am done, people will think he has three 15" woofers in there.

He is excited, I am going to do it in a few months, right now I am just redoing his interior with...

Alpine CDA-9853 Head Unit
6.5" Diamond Audios Front Door speakers
Custom fabricating a location for two more 6.5" Diamond Audios in his rear doors (cutting into the metal was BIOTCH)
6x9 Diamond Audios in the rear board

I don't mean to take over the poster's post. I just want the harddest hitting woofer between a 10 and 12" and I was going to put 2500W RMS to it, by the way.

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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.

" don't mean to take over the poster's post."

I hate kicker. I had 4 L7's blow and they werent even on full power.. i had a kicker 1200.1 amp connected to 2 12" L7's blue and platium and the cones burned.. i got replacements and they burned. i then got alpha sonik's which had a lower RMS and they were amazing. I had it with kicker subs. Kicker amps are workhorses and amazing but there subs im staying away. you can talk about how kicker is a SPL sub and not SQ and some might disagree but for me it lacks SQ. DOnt get me wrong it pounded like hell but only for about 5 months..then its trash...this is just from my experiences.

P.s i went to the guy at circuit city and he said the exclipses are garbage there no good.... Now lets see forbidden or circuit city....forbidden or circuit city...hmmm.. lol those guys at CC know doodie.. they just like the loud stuff with no depth or quality.. im still sticking with forbidden with the eclipses.

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I guess that guy has subs.

anyone know how JBL'S Grand Touring Series subs hit?

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I guess that guy has subs.

I cant believe CC told you that eclipse is garbage. They wouldt carry it if it was. And seeing that they just started carrying it i doubt it. Plus I know for a fact that eclipse quality is far superior to most. Especially kicker. I cant believe someone recommended those, especially since you said you are looking for a SQ sub. Squar subs will never give you great SQ. Im pretty sure that statement is going to start an uprising, but if they were such great SQ subs, more SQ competitors would use them. Plus another big part of competing is trying to stay in the lowest power class you can. 5000Watts RMS is not going to help that situation at all.

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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby

No disrespect to anyone here who may work at a place like that (Circuit City, Best Buy, etc...) I don't have too much respect for those type of installers. They are limited in what the company will let them do.

On the other hand, you have real professional innstallers who can do almost anything in car audio, but they took a job there to bring in income while they look for something better.

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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.

When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.

Kicker=No Sound Quality. Because sound is Round! ha jk. But at the price point your looking at you got it right. The Type X, Eclipse, and dont forget the JL w6 (great SQ sub). all in the same relative price range. either way you go your doing alright! And to answer someones question about the JBL GTO subs. They arent half bad for the prices they are at. but for a few bucks more you can get something alot better.

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2007 Acura TSX
SQ setup in the works

400 watts RMS is no where near the power an "X" series Alpine needs. I'm not a dealer for them, but I've heard "Hams" eclipse 12" and it sounds pretty darn good.Like a lot of people have said here, go listen to some JLs before you make up your mind.

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There is no such thing as free installation!

first off thanx for everyone who is replying. The post is on its 4th page and im geting reat ideas and advice....i really really appreciate it. okay back to business.....

The CC guy told me that kicker hits harder and pumps longer then kicker so i knew he knew doodie about what he was talking about and as for the installers yes they are very limited on what they can do..very limited!

As for listening to the subs before i buy them.. i tried.. i was out for 8 hours looking at over 30 stores and none of them had either the exclipses titanium or the x type. and if they did they had no setup that i can listen to them. The only place that had them hooked up and where i can listen they said someone came in and fried there boards so nothing works blah blah... the only place i can try now is best tire. They are the only professional experience place around here. and they are kinda pricey from what i been told but if im going to spend $300 on 1 sub i think its worth the extra money, One thing i learned is you get what you pay for in car audio so yeah....anyone know best tire? know what they have like setup and stuff?

thanx again for all the replies!

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I guess that guy has subs.

Unless you plan on auditioning the sub in the correct box and in your vehicle, you might as well go audition gear in stores until the cows come home. Some of us with hands on pratical experience have recommended some great gear for you. Some of us are retailers and draw upon our years of experience for a highly predictable outcome for the paying customer. Choose wisely amongst the recommendations that you have been given or shown.

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Top Secret, I can tell you but then my wife will kill me.

When exactly DO the cows come home?lol

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There is no such thing as free installation!

Correct me if I'm off base...but with subs, I would take the advise given here pretty much to the bank. If you were looking at components or full range stuff, that is where subjectiveness comes more into play, and your own personal opinion is going to make more of a difference. Though I would still take what they have to say to heart.

...and as always, enclosure, enclosure, enclosure!

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The Flakman
I feel strange. I have deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

John | Manteca, CA

okay guys here we are.. I think i have it all set to start ordering my stuff except for the amp.

Head unit

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-9IWpGP7K7T1/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=300&I=113KDCX990

Speakers

2 (https://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=264-332&ctab=10#Tabs)

Subs

1 (https://gamespy.pricegrabber.com/rating_getprodrev.php/masterid=2439346/id_type=M/)

Im going to put it into a sealed box that im going to make myself

now heres were u guys come in...since im running speakers that are 8ohms and a sub that is 4 ohm, which is the best amp to get? Im guessing a 2/3/4 amp no? im looking for about 100-150watts on the speakes each and about 400-600 watts on the sub. Is this possible with 1 amp? should i get to amps? The price isnt really a factor cause im tired of buying cheap doodie that lasts for 6 months and car audio guys laugh at it and street friends think its the greatest..screw that anyways the price and the quantity of how many amps i need isnt really a factor. last but not least.. How to i wire it? it sounds like it might be a big question.. im not going to wire them im goig to have a professional do it but im just asking so i kno what to tell the guy =)

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I guess that guy has subs.