I fried my Kicker today
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Topic: I fried my Kicker today
Posted By: arcangel9
Subject: I fried my Kicker today
Date Posted: July 12, 2006 at 12:40 AM
So My friend and I had just got off of work and we were going over to this kids house so I could buy some component speakers, We are listening to Blueberry Yum Yum by Ludacris, damn does that song slam.
And all the sudden It stops.
So we get to the kids house I pop the hood to make sure everything with the power wire is ok.....Check
Ground Wires......Check
Fuses on the amp....... One of the two is blown so I figure maybe this is the problem, so I put a new one in.
I turn on my head unit and the amp powers up.....The speaker bumps like once and starts to pop.
Im like love somethins wrong.
I then take the sub out of the box as soon as I get all of the screws out I take out the sub and smoke just pours out of the box.
Apparently I fried one of the voice coils. Luckily Its a Kicker SoloBaric L5 and all Kicker Products have a one year warranty all I have to do is send it back and Ill get a brand new one.
So this is my story of the day. I blew my sub but I also got two Kicker 6inch midrange speakers for 50 bucks.
Replies:
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 12, 2006 at 7:27 AM
what impedance sub sub do you have and what amp?
what load do you have it wired to?
what style of box? sizes? instead of a story lets to to figure out why you blew your equipment and try to prevent it from happening again
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 2:01 AM
2ohm 10" SoloBaric L5
KX600.1 Kicker Amp
Running off the battery to a capacitor to the amp with 4ga. wire.
The box is a truck box seen
Here
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 2:03 AM
Also I notice your from Twisted Image. Is it the same one in Ashtabula?
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 7:38 AM
i didnt know there was another twisted image...I have a shop in NW missouri for a little while, but things got tough so I closed up and am pursuing other things till the time is right.
how did you have your sub wired? I dont think the KX600 will take a 1 ohm load for daily use
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 7:39 AM
never mind I just looked at the link...the box is actual 2 ohm impedance......
Is your gain set correctly? if you are unsure of this look at the gain sticky at the top of the threads
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 10:55 AM
My gain probably wasnt set right, They say to turn it up 3/4 of the way and I had factory speakers so they prevented me from doing it, so I just left it around 2. But Im getting 6" Kickers installed in my doors, today so when Crutchfield sends me my new sub I will be able to do it correctly.
And as I said there is a Twisted Image in Ashtabula, Ohio, about 2 miles away. They are a group of street racers with some pretty badass cars.
Posted By: saturnsubohio
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 2:01 PM
arcangel9 wrote:
My gain probably wasnt set right, They say to turn it up 3/4 of the way and I had factory speakers so they prevented me from doing it, so I just left it around 2. But Im getting 6" Kickers installed in my doors, today so when Crutchfield sends me my new sub I will be able to do it correctly.
And as I said there is a Twisted Image in Ashtabula, Ohio, about 2 miles away. They are a group of street racers with some pretty badass cars.
People in Ashtabula have kickass cars? wow who knew, i live west of ashtabula by about an hour.
anyway, im confused as to why you say you had factory speakers which prevented you from setting a gain correctly? am i missing something? ------------- 2006 WRX STI
Electrical Engineer
Ohio University Alumni
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 9:35 PM
I had factory speakers so I couldnt turn it up 3/4 of the way, now I have aftermarket kickers so I can do it correctly when I get my new sub. And yeah there are quite a few nice cars in this area, they are either really doodiety, or nice
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 13, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Still don't get the relation of gain to factory speakers or not...still making no sense...gain on amp is for the sub...why would it affect the speakers?
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 14, 2006 at 10:33 AM
alright when i turn the volume up, the factory speaker volume goes up, I could only turn them up to around 20 without the factory speakers cutting out, I didnt want to turn it up to 3/4 volume (30) risking blowing my factory speakers.
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 15, 2006 at 1:03 AM
well jeff hasnt replied back in a while.
And why does every dis kicker?
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 16, 2006 at 12:57 AM
alright good enough reason.
Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 16, 2006 at 1:50 AM
WHAT?!?! you kicked a kicker? inpossible (HUGE sarcasm) its pretty common. Im sure ill get a lot of beef for this, but go get yourself a quality brand!
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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 17, 2006 at 12:44 AM
I dont get the dissing either...it took us over 2200 watts per subs to pop a L7 this weekend. I will have to post some pics we shattered the cone!! haha
The kickers can be a very musical clean sub if put in the correct box, and the kicker speced boxes are very close for any vehicle.
The l7s as long as not clipped all the time will take tremendous amounts of power, but clipping them will destroy them in litle to no time.
We have destroyed a pair in less then 10 seconds with a horribly cliped signal. But also ran another pair for well over 100 burps at over 2000 real watts of power for a very clean signal. Setup is everything~!
Im sorry I didnt have time to reply, I have been judging USACi shows all weekend and been out of town until now
I think the gain is the first culprit, I would suggest if you are having trouble setting it with your internals then set your gain at where you are confortable listening to your internals. If your internals are distorted then you will never be that loud anyways or will you?
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 17, 2006 at 7:17 PM
Well like I said, I just got the new 6's installed and I can turn it up pretty loud now.
Damn you tore the cone in an L7 they are made outta some pretty tough material.
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 17, 2006 at 10:19 PM
i wil have to post some pics tonight, and actually I didnt tear anything...I was judging all weekend....My Girlfriend broke it in her car~! haha
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 17, 2006 at 10:36 PM
here ya go, here is her newly destroyed kicker
 ------------- 2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: mando2155
Date Posted: July 17, 2006 at 11:24 PM
most of the kx600.1 amps ive seen have a minimum of 700 watts on the birth certificate. Usually around 730 or so. I like to over power my subs a bit but thats at least 250 watts more than the subs rated rms power handling. I cant say for sure but ive been told that this years L5 arent as tough as years past. Is there any way to get a 12" in your truck?
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 17, 2006 at 11:45 PM
this years L5's are almost as stong if not as stong as the old model L7's I dont know who told you they were weak but they are far from.
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: mando2155
Date Posted: July 18, 2006 at 12:09 AM
dont get me wrong i like L5s. ive been following solo barics since they were circular. But i still think the kx600.1 is to much amp for the 10".
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 18, 2006 at 1:10 AM
Yeah my certificate says, 705 watts, I dont know about getting a twelve in a truck box but I could always get an L7 my friend has pretty much the same setup as me except with a 10" L7 and that thing hits damn hard.
And to Jeff damn that sub mustve been slammin, how much power was she running?
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 18, 2006 at 2:25 AM
at the show we clamped and measured 74 amps and 48.2 volts on the speaker leads, using fluke meters, so that comes to 3566.8 on (2) 12" L7's Alot of power.
we didnt get a measurement but we did find a bad ground. Im sure we saw more power the second day but had a sub thatwas down a coil and we didnt catch untill after she ran
*Note to self, when you have many many batteries, be sure to have more then (1) single strand of 1/0 grounding them all, when it goes it makes everything fail*
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 18, 2006 at 1:22 PM
damn that a lot of power going to those sub, how long did they last?
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 18, 2006 at 4:02 PM
Well they lasted for well over a week of testing solid and I think 2 additional show besides the 2 this weekend
so approx.....
50-75 full tilt testing burps
about 100-150 mid volume testing burps
and 10 runs with everything with everything thrown at them in the lanes
I burp is typically 3-5 seconds
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 19, 2006 at 1:35 AM
I got my new sub today ill set the gain the right way tomorrow, I would love to go to a sound comp but i never hear of any around my area
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 19, 2006 at 7:09 AM
list your area and I will post some later on today
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 19, 2006 at 7:10 AM
or check the listing here
https://www.soundoff.org/cgi-bin/schedule/display.cgi?search=1&display_all=1
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: Melted Fabric
Date Posted: July 19, 2006 at 10:40 AM
Have you ever done a Solo X Kicker setup Jeff?
I got a hold of the manual for the Solo X12/X10 off their site and read the recommended box builds, I am wondering about fiberglassing it but having it still be the right measurements.
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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 1:14 AM
I looked at the listings, but the closest, one to me coming up is in norfolk or columbus, both about 3 hours away, I wish i had known about the cleveland event, thats about 45 min away
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 3:03 AM
My God......who cares.................?
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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 3:04 AM
For Gods sake....4 pages....?
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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 7:48 AM
I have dealt with the solo X only in a SPL application for the 10's and 12's but a street app for the 18. around 8 cu ft tuned to 34hz all I can say is wow! very very very loud, and actually sounded pretty darn good for an SPL woofer.
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: Melted Fabric
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 10:39 AM
You made an enclosure for it that had EIGHT cubic feet of space??? That is crazy. Luckily I only have to deal with a SoloX 10. I think the recommended is 2.85 CU.Ft.
What did you use to tune it to 34Hz, and how?
I have never really tuned anything before, just basic settings on the Apline Deck (CDA-9853).
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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.
Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 12:27 PM
Tuning a box has nothing to do with a deck. Its all in how you build the box. If you use the search function im sure you will find endless amounts of posts about port tuning in boxes. Lots of good info out there. good luck lol
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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 12:32 PM
lol im trying to follow exactly what you guys are talking about but theres one thing i need to know, what is an SPL woofer?
Posted By: Melted Fabric
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 12:45 PM
Ahhh, Port tuning ok. I have resources to learn more about that. Thanks KillerSn.
ArcAngel, there is a big debate going on about whether SPL and SQL are even valid terms or categories.
SQL - Sound Quality Level
SPL - Sound Pressure Level
"SPL Woofers" are subwoofers mainly used in competitions to show what setup can achieve the highest db.
The biggest consumer subwoofer to date is the MTX Jack Hammer (SRP $7000) It puts out 12000W Peak 6000W RMS
dB - Decibel, A unit of measurement for the ratio of loudness.
Points of Reference *measured in dBA or decibels
0 The softest sound a person can hear with normal hearing
10 normal breathing
20 whispering at 5 feet
30 soft whisper
50 rainfall
60 normal conversation
110 shouting in ear
120 thunder
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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.
Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 12:57 PM
SQL is a made up slang to make consumers feel good about thier installs. It allows them to think that they have a suffient set up that is both great for SQ and SPL. Sorry to break it all to you but you can only have one or the other, not both. there is an inbetween area but it doesnt mean you have the best of both worlds. It actually means your setup isnt good enough to belong to either category. lol. here is the link to the debate. https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=80013&PN=0&tpn=1 ------------- "People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 1:26 PM
ahh thanks for explaination melted.
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 1:31 PM
So what your saying is you can either have a system that hits hard as love but sounds doodiety in terms of being able to hera anything but bass -OR- you can have a system that sounds really good but doesnt hit really hard.
Correct me if im wrong
Posted By: arcangel9
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 1:33 PM
dam word censors
Posted By: Melted Fabric
Date Posted: July 20, 2006 at 1:56 PM
lol, I was wondering why you "worded" it as love. I thought you might be from Berkeley, CA or something, you know ...audio hippie. I like the hippies though, they are laid back.
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I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work.
When you do not know what you are doing and what you are doing is the best -- that is inspiration.
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 21, 2006 at 8:44 AM
you can have both, thus the made up word SQL....but it is really defind but the person that owns the system. Our current setup is "SQL" but to some people it might sound bad, others it might sound really good.
It is middle of the road on SQ for us, but it is mid-high end of the road of SPL on a meter for us with a street setup
It is all in the eye of the beer holder, thats it isnt it?
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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place
Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:01 AM
I never said you cant have both in the same vehicle, just not with the same setup. I sort of have both in my car. The bigger setup of the 2 though is SQ. I have all of the remote wires going to all the amps that deal with my SQ portion on one switch and the remote wires for the "SPL" portion on another switch. I have the otion of running either one at a time, or both at once if i choose. If you go to the store and ask for a SQL sub, if the salesman knows what the hell he is talking about, he is going to tell you that you cant buy one because they dont exsist. SQ subs are designed completely different from SPL subs. To me its all in the eye of the competition judges. ------------- "People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby
Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: July 21, 2006 at 11:25 AM
killer sonata wrote:
I never said you cant have both in the same vehicle, just not with the same setup. I sort of have both in my car. The bigger setup of the 2 though is SQ. I have all of the remote wires going to all the amps that deal with my SQ portion on one switch and the remote wires for the "SPL" portion on another switch. I have the otion of running either one at a time, or both at once if i choose. If you go to the store and ask for a SQL sub, if the salesman knows what the hell he is talking about, he is going to tell you that you cant buy one because they dont exsist. SQ subs are designed completely different from SPL subs. To me its all in the eye of the competition judges.
Sure you can. JL Audio W7. It's not designed to be the very best at SPL or at SQ, but the best of both at the same time. The Eclipse Titanium subs and the Adire Audio Brahma could also be categorized this way as well, as well as some others that I have no practical knowledge of. Not having ever heard your setup, I would think that running "both" at the same time would be rather muddy across certain bands where the thump/loudness of the SPL setup is competing with the clarity of the SQ setup. Maybe it sounds good to you, and that's all that really matters. ------------- VEHICLE: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2
Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 21, 2006 at 4:13 PM
I dont run them at the same time for just that reason. All I said is that I have that option. Now, you are correct in the sence that those subs that you just mentioned could do either SPL to a degree or SQ. But, it all depends on the box. IF you build a box that can do a little of both, it will be just that, not the best of both worlds.
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"People with mullets live 40% longer" - Ricky Bobby
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