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Idea for new box, Good or not so good?

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Topic: Idea for new box, Good or not so good?

Posted By: studum
Subject: Idea for new box, Good or not so good?
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:16 AM

I posted this on another site, thought I'd try and get some opinions from here also as I am about to design & build a new box for my car.

I have 2 Infinity 1230ws (4ohm) which I have to build a box for. This is going to be going into my own car, a 2000 Subaru Legacy. This vehicle does not have a fold down rear seat, just a "pass-through" centre armrest in the rear bench.

First things first, I'm planning on building a sealed box, 2.5 ft^3 as recommended by Infinity. My aim is more towards sq than spl.

As opposed to firing the subs to the rear of the car as they are traditionally done I thought of a way (or I think I did) to get all of the sound into the passenger compartment of the car.

My idea is to fire the woofers towards the back seat and force all of the pressure from the subs into the cabin through the lowered pass-through in the bench (I would always have this down except for the rare occasion in which I carry 4 passengers with me)

I would accomplish this by building a standard sealed enclosure and pointing it towards the seats, but build sort of an additional enclosure infront of the woofers which "contains" the bass except for a hole the size of the armrest, which would allow the sound pressure to travel into the cabin. This would be similar to a bandpass design except with a bigger airspace and a larger opening which is not a port.

Has anyone ever done anything like this before or have they seen it done? Is it even worth exploring? If not I guess I'll do the tradtional sealed and point backwards.

Here's a dwg that I made up quick. I hope you can read it alright and understand what's going on.

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Two benifets that I thought of associated with an encluse like this are 1) no damage to the sub by using the trunk (which I will be doing regularily), and 2) Theoretically there's no need to dynamat the trunk because there's little to no air movement in there.

Like I said, if you guys don't think it's going to be good then I'm just going to build a standard box to take up as little room as possible.

I'd like to hear what you think as I'd like to build the box this weekend.

Thanks in advance.




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Posted By: studum
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:22 AM

I forgot to add this part:

Will there be any type of "port noise" or is the chamber and the opening through the seat large enough that that won't happen?

In the rear seat attached to the pass-through there is a fold down armrest for the rear seat occupants. I was planning to try and keep it so that the armrest would remain for the rear seat occupants and remove the rest of the passthrough, then cover the opening in the rear seat in grill-cloth so it just looks like the rear seat armrest is folded down for use, not the whole passthrough.

This would be much more stealthy installwise and be more comfortable for rear seat occupants (I often have 2 passengers). This way would allow for an opening through the rear seat of about 12" tall by 8" or so wide vs. the 9" by 16" of removing the armrest and passthrough all together. Would this restric the air movement from trunk to passenger compartment too much? posted_image

Another question about plexi... would the front face of my box be too big to make with plexi, so that from the trunk you can look into the box and see the front of the woofers? How much does that type of material usually cost and what should I look for? I've never used plexi before in a box design.

Thanks again





Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:31 AM
Looks like an autocad dwg to me. Nicely done dwg. i had a similar design for my last bod. I had a port through the center of my back seat with the subs firing towards the front of the car and i wasnt too happy with it. my current box is a little smaller and everything facing the back of the trunk and is much better for SQ.

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Posted By: studum
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:44 AM

Ya its a CAD dwg, threw it together last night.

How big was your port? My hope is that the chamber between the box and the car and the opening in the seat will be large enough that it does not act as a second enclosure (or a bandpass box).

I like tighter bass, my ultimate goal is descent SQ althought I know its not going to be super fantastic or anything. I'm just trying to do what I can with my budget.





Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:48 AM
I dotn remember the dimensions. It was a 7.5ft^3 box with a decent sized port. I was warned by several of my installer friends who make boxes for a living that forward firing/ported boxes dont sound good. They were more than right. It has something to do with the sound waves and the way they bounce off of the cars interior.

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Posted By: studum
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 10:56 AM
I wonder if it'll make any difference that my actual enclosure is sealed, not ported posted_image




Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 11:39 AM
i did an install with a pass through like that and all i did was make two seperate enclosures facing the rear but left the space inbetween so if you opened up the pass through then it would fill the cabin a little better, or so it seemed. just an idea.

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Posted By: studum
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 12:02 PM
I thought about this too. Its probably my second option.




Posted By: austincustoms
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 5:00 PM

I think someone in the fiberglass forum is doing something simmilar.  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=79973&KW=frame





Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 2:27 AM
FYI, MR2NR = forbidden and the advice I gave you is sound.

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Posted By: mustangfoo
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 3:32 AM
I have seen this box before in a Honda Accord. It was ****ing awesome. The owner who owns a stereo shop custom built it. Sealed off half of the trunk with plexi and on the inside made a box with 2 12" L7's in two seperate chambers sharing one square port through the armrest. With the armrest up it was like a sealed box, and with it down like a ported box. Man when you put that thing down the hair on your head and arms would literally vibrate and move. NO LIE!




Posted By: studum
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 8:23 AM

forbidden wrote:

FYI, MR2NR = forbidden and the advice I gave you is sound.

Lol thanks. I wasn't doubting you I just wanted to get as many opinions as possible.





Posted By: 12vdeej
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 6:00 PM
Ive done an incredibly simple test, just turning my sub around in the trunk of my station wagon and folding down the rear seats (so that they dont block the woofers). The volume dropped significantly by having it facing forwards. I agree with everyone else that having the sound waves reflecting off of the door of the trunk improves the sound considerably. Although your situation is not identical to the test i did, it certainly suggests that rear facing subs may be better.




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 8:49 PM
Here's an article about such testing:  https://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html

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