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Topic: can you strap two 1000/1?

Posted By: oxygen65
Subject: can you strap two 1000/1?
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 1:18 PM

ok i dont kno if you can do this but i thought you could, does anyone know if you can strap or link 2 1000/1s together to get a 2000rms power supply or would you have to hook up 2 seperate amps?



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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 2:01 PM

https://mobile.jlaudio.com/pdfs/6892.pdf 

here is the owners manual. I dont see anything about it being strappable. There are very few amps that are capable of that.



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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 4:14 PM
the Jl's are not strappable, you can daisy chain them...but I wouldnt rccomend running 2 unstrappable amps to the same woofer

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 6:45 PM
Why do I have a feeling that "strappable" is going to be the next most misunderstood word?

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 6:49 PM
that and the supposed term "SQL"

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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 9:39 PM
Car Audio & Security is an Authorised dealer for JL AUDIO products
The W7 embodies JL Audio’s commitment to pushing the envelope of speaker technology, with six patented technologies and a completely unique set of component parts. Each W7 model has been meticulously engineered to reproduce sub-bass with extreme fidelity at any volume level, provided it is installed and tuned properly.

At first glance, you may only see a rather massive woofer, but as you begin to analyze the technology and the performance envelope of a W7, you will realize that they are much more than just another big SPL speaker. For us, designing a pure SPL speaker, with no regard to sound quality, would have presented a far lesser challenge than the one we chose to undertake with the W7 project. The goal was to design subwoofer drivers that deliver immense output with an extremely high level of fidelity.

It wouldn’t be enough for the speaker to sound great or be loud, it had to do both. This goal required us to develop a deeper understanding of the inner behavior of speakers, new and proprietary modeling systems and six new, patented or patent-pending technologies. We could have made a good-sounding, big speaker without going through any of this effort, but we chose to stretch our limits and devote the time and resources necessary to create a real breakthrough. Along the way, we encountered many obstacles and dead ends which affected our design direction. We considered countless solution sets and discovered, through modeling, experimentation and dozens of prototype generations, which ones would help achieve our goal (and which would not).

The final product is a completely original design from surround to back-plate, requiring a significant tooling investment for all of the component parts. Each W7 (8-inch version to 13.5-inch version) is a completely unique design and shares no major parts with its siblings. Each motor and each suspension system is specifically designed and tuned for each driver. If you consider the preceding, along with the fact that every part of every W7 (even the bolts and screws used to assemble the speaker), has been purpose-designed and manufactured to our specifications, you begin to get a firm idea of our commitment to this product.

Detailed information about several of the technologies found in the W7 line can be found in the W7 Technologies pages of this web site.

While we hope that you find these technologies interesting, we know in order to truly understand and appreciate everything a W7 is capable of requires experiencing a properly installed W7 in a well designed and tuned sound system. We are very confident that listening to a W7 will reveal an entirely new dimension of subwoofer performance... a dimension so satisfying that listening to lesser subwoofers will forever become an act of compromise.



W7 FAQ

1a) Why only a 3-ohm single voice coil version?
Because this configuration resulted in the best sound-quality solution for these drivers. We did not want to compromise performance.

1b) Don't you dummies at JL Audio realize that a lot of big amps want to see 1-ohm or less?
Yes, we do. But we were not willing to compromise sound quality.

2) Why a 13.5-inch speaker, instead of a 15-inch?
For the big W7, our engineers determined that the 13.5 inch would produce the best sound quality. Also, keep in mind that the 13W7 has equivalent piston area to a conventional 15-inch driver and 55% more displacement potential than a 15W3, so you can think of it as a 15 that fits where other 15's don't.

3) How do they compare to the W3v2's and W6's in terms of output?
10W7 has 90% more displacement potential than a 10W3v2 (5.6 dB)
10W7 has 114% more displacement potential than a 10W6 (6.6 dB)
12W7 has 158% more displacement potential than a 12W3v2 (8.2 dB)
12W7 has 166% more displacement potential than a 12W6 (8.5 dB)
13W7 has 55% more displacement potential than a 15W3 (3.8 dB)
13W7 has 144% more displacement potential than a 15W6 (7.7 dB)

4) How does JL Audio state Xmax for the W7's?
JL Audio always specifies Xmax as the one-way, physical overhang of the voice coil (the most conservative method). The W7 Xmax figures are specified in this manner.

5) How many off-the-shelf parts are used in the W7?
Four bolts. Every other component has been specifically
engineered and tooled-up by JL Audio.

6) Where will W7's be built?
At our factory in Miramar, Florida.

7) Are the W7's SQ woofers or SPL woofers?
Yes. Let's just call them "SQL" woofers.

8) Are these things really all that?
Yes... And then some.


Killer..I remember seeing this on the JL site...haha




Posted By: kirktcashalini
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 9:52 PM
aznboi3644 wrote:


7) Are the W7's SQ woofers or SPL woofers?
Yes. Let's just call them "SQL" woofers.



lol!!! thats hilarious that JL said that

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 11:04 PM

aznboi3644 wrote:


7) Are the W7's SQ woofers or SPL woofers?
Yes. Let's just call them "SQL" woofers.

WOW!!! I feel ashamed for ever supporting JL audio and their products. Makes me want to do a burnout on my 6W0s. I cant believe they gave in like that. Ofcourse it was invented as a marketing scheme so i suppsoe i shouldnt be all THAT suprised.



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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 11:24 PM
lol...now you see...Have you never seen this killer?




Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 11:29 PM
cant say that i have. I still dont like it. It doesnt make a bit of sense to me except to help sell their woofers. To me if you use the term SQL that means that your setup isnt good enough for SQ or SPL so you use the term SQL to give yourself a warm fuzzy

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 8:41 AM
killer sonata wrote:

cant say that i have. I still dont like it. It doesnt make a bit of sense to me except to help sell their woofers. To me if you use the term SQL that means that your setup isnt good enough for SQ or SPL so you use the term SQL to give yourself a warm fuzzy

<Dave nods his head in agreement.>

SQL is a nonsense phrase, designed by the industry to make consumers believe that their product can do whatever the consumer wants it to do... Well they CAN'T. If you want an SPL system, then build one without using SQ gear, and the same goes for the other way around.

"warm fuzzy"... I like that.

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 9:01 AM
Thanks dave. We use that term a lot in the Air Force. But this topic is going way off track. I think this topic is prety much over since we are all in agreeance that you cant strap the 1000/1.

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Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 9:05 AM

"in agreeance"....that gives me a warm fuzzy...  posted_image

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=79715&PN=1



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Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: July 27, 2006 at 4:40 PM
What happens if "SQL" becomes an industry standard? How will you all cope? posted_image

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 27, 2006 at 4:51 PM
Ill sell all of my crap and spend my money elsewhere.

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 27, 2006 at 4:55 PM
stevdart wrote:

"in agreeance"....that gives me a warm fuzzy...  posted_image

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=79715&PN=1


Whats with the link stevdart? agreeance is a real word. Look it up. :)



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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: July 27, 2006 at 7:27 PM
The part that REALLY bugs me is the crap about the 3 ohm voice coils being the best for sound quality. Everyone knows that dual and single ohm voice coils of various ratings are there for one reason,to allow more flexability when determining the final ohm load you send to your amp(s). If a 3 ohm coil was better for SQ then why aren't all of your subs single 3 ohm coils? The one and ONLY reason they use a single 3 ohm coil is marketing. JL's "slash" series amps produce equal power from1.5 to 4 ohms, so they would suffer power loss at 3 ohms, while almost all other D block amps do their best at 1 or 2 ohms. So if I tell you "X" brand amp will lose 25 to 50% of it's power at a 3 ohm load while the JL "slash" will not which one would you buy?

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 27, 2006 at 8:06 PM
Actually I would prefer an 8ohm sub for my SQ setup. Higher the ohmload, the cleaner the sound.

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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: July 28, 2006 at 7:36 PM
I don't know if you can make a blanket statement like that. If this were true wouldn't we see 16 ohm subwoofers?

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: July 28, 2006 at 8:34 PM
Bob, that's a good point, but the industry pushes high power, low impedance drive amplifiers (i.e. high current), and they don't ever mention the adverse effects of it.

Higher impedance loads will always exhibit less heat, lower distortion, better damping, and lower THD. Again, here the industry never mentions these facts. Even in the high-end home audio world, very few manufacturers are still producing high impedance loudspeakers.

Power sells. It's a fact. If a manufacturer says it make more power into a lower impedance load, (and you've seen it here in this board, yourself) the consumer will ALWAYS try to load that amplifier to it's maximum load, wont' they? It's ingrained in the consumer's mind to always get ALL they paid for...

killer sonata and I are of the belief that what we paid for happens to be in the fidelity aspect. This is why he and I would rather "under-load" an amplifer, than maximally load it. Your gain is power, our gain is damping, longevity, and lower distortion. Personally, I think we are getting the better deal.

You heard my system. Those 6's in the doors, my mid-bass drivers? Those are (were) Morel 8 ohm drivers. The amplifier WAS only capable of 185 wpc, but you heard them. I paid for an amplifier... I paid for 185 watts per channel, where you would have paid the same money for 370 watts per channel. Same amp, different expectations. That doesn't mean I am getting less or you are getting more amplifier. The sound was very good - you even commented on it. My amplifier will never overheat, it exhibits better efficiency, I won't overtax my electrical system (as quickly), and I'll always enjoy the best sound I can. My choice is to under-load the amps...

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Posted By: killer sonata
Date Posted: July 28, 2006 at 8:41 PM
thanks haemphyst for the backup. Im not usually good with the technical explinations. I just know its better and it makes sense to me. i look through home audio magazines all the time and they are advertising 12ohm speakers. so i know the stuff is out there, it just isnt popular because its not what sells to the general populous.

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