subs?
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Topic: subs?
Posted By: jonathancullen
Subject: subs?
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 7:33 AM
i got 2 rockford p2 12's so not loud enough. im lookin at the alpine type x 12, kicker L7, and after reading other forums the tc line of subwoofers. i dont really wanna spend more then 300 but if i have to oh well. im 17 and big into car audio. ive got the loudest system in school so far and want to improve on that with alot bigger bass. can anyone help me? what are the loudest subs out there without breakin the wallet. thanks guys pz out
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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 7:41 AM
What type of power do you have, also what type of enclosure are your subs in that you have now?
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Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 2:42 PM
ahhhhhhh sum1 that knows what he is talkin about xD. i read sum of ur other posts so yeah. its just in a sealed box, nuttin special. my stuff is ok for begginers but i want louder, ive gotten used to them and when people get in my car they are yelling at me to turn it down but it isnt that loud to me anymore. i can get about an inch of flex out of my rockfords but those tc's look like they are doin way more then that. but idk maybe sum other ones are better
Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 3:02 PM
alright if tc is a good brand then i was thinking about getting either two tc-1000 12's or one tc-3000 15. this is prolly gonna take up all my money so imma have to get sum cash from my parents xD. if anyone thinks i get get better +louder for around the same price please let me know, i am greatful for any info you guys give me. thanks alot guys
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 4:02 PM
First build a big ported box for em...then see how loud they are
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 7:26 PM
jonathancullen wrote:
i got 2 rockford p2 12's so not loud enough. im lookin at the alpine type x 12, kicker L7, and after reading other forums the tc line of subwoofers. i dont really wanna spend more then 300 but if i have to oh well. im 17 and big into car audio. ive got the loudest system in school so far and want to improve on that with alot bigger bass. can anyone help me? what are the loudest subs out there without breakin the wallet. thanks guys pz out
THIS is where the youth of today is taking us, people... Does ANYBODY understand a word of this? Jonathan, perhaps you should forget about car stereos and things like that, and dedicate a little time to your schooling. (My apologies to the senior members of the forum, but I feel our 12volt.com is slipping, and we need to take it back...)
Allow me to translate. I think he meant something like this:
I've got two Rockford Fosgate P2 12" woofers. I dont think they are loud enough. I was considering the Alpine Type X 12 inch woofer, the Kicker L7, and even the TC Sounds subwoofers, after hearing about those, on some other forums. I'd really like to spend less than $300 for a pair, but if necessary, I can spend more. Right now, I have the loudest system in my school, but I'd like it to be even louder. (I need to compensate.) What, in your opinions, are the loudest subs I can get, without breaking the bank? Thank you, everybody. Peace out. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Moličre once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: Flakman
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 9:14 PM
Heam...took the words right out of my mouth!!!! I would LOL your post if it wasn't so disappointingly true!
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Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 9:50 PM
Don't you remember high school???
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Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 10:20 PM
lol, come on guys help me out here xD. i am selling my rockfords in a couple of weeks to one of my friends. and 130db isnt alot so it will take a while b4 im deaf. and as far as schooling im not a dropout or anything, im jus a kid that loves his music. and i get A's in most of my classes. as long as i can remember when my uncle had a system, i was like 8, i loved it and still do. dont dis me jus because im a highschool student. pz
Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 11:38 PM
Ok, right now you have 2 250wrms 12's and you want to get louder. You either need a ported box, or more power and better speakers, or larger speakers.
You definitely won't be dissapointed with the tc's. Elemental Designs is something to look into if you don't want to spend a whole lot on an amp because they are really efficient, nice SQ too. Their OV line would run you somewhere around 300 for two twelves and they can handle double the power of those fosgates and will sound a doodieload cleaner.
But you have a ton of options, a lot will get louder than those fosgates, but you have to be willing to put some money into powering them. Someone asked what you are using for power and without a response from that no one can really make any recommendations.
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Posted By: bellsracer
Date Posted: September 22, 2006 at 11:52 PM
jonathancullen wrote:
i got 2 rockford p2 12's so not loud enough. im lookin at the alpine type x 12, kicker L7, and after reading other forums the tc line of subwoofers. i dont really wanna spend more then 300 but if i have to oh well. im 17 and big into car audio. ive got the loudest system in school so far and want to improve on that with alot bigger bass. can anyone help me? what are the loudest subs out there without breakin the wallet. thanks guys pz out
Getting your subs into ported boxes will give you an extra 3 db (twice as loud)... As for brands, the team I am with don't like to recommend particular brands. But since you are on a tight budget, look for AudioPipe PR12 subwoofers and get them into ported boxes. They have a 95db efficiency so they'll sound good without wasting energy. Use the saved money to get a line driver to help take a lot of stress off your amp. Most HU avarage a 2v output for the line out signal. The line driver will boost it up to 6 volts or in some cases 8v. Not big brand, but if you get your HU, line driver, and amp gainset properly (meaning not by ear but with a scope; a good shop will do it for about 40-60 bucks) you can get some more boom out of it. It'll hit hard. We've done an install using two 10" versions of them (PR10) and hit 143.8 db on 500 watts to each. The key here will be your box and port. Get them done right and combined with the gainsetting, you'll have a system that you'll have a hard time breathing in let alone worrying about hearing loss. jonathancullen wrote:
lol, come on guys help me out here xD. i am selling my rockfords in a couple of weeks to one of my friends. and 130db isnt alot so it will take a while b4 im deaf. and as far as schooling im not a dropout or anything, im jus a kid that loves his music. and i get A's in most of my classes. as long as i can remember when my uncle had a system, i was like 8, i loved it and still do. dont dis me jus because im a highschool student. pz
130 is a lot... about 8 times louder than your average Boeing 747 jet at 100 feet away. Exposure to it WILL damage (if not already) your hearing permanently. Don't think it will take a lot of time. It only takes up to 15 minutes of 115 db to cause hearing damage. Above 120 db causes damage in less than 15 seconds. If it doesn't seem loud to you anymore, then I (and most of the people on the forum) are about 99.99% sure that you have some hearing loss. My advice is to get to a hearing center just to be sure and see what kind of damage is there (If any). My bet is that you will have trouble hearing 50Hz below +6 db and 150Hz below +3 db. We're not disin' on you because of your age. More likely we are teasing you because we love noobs (@_@) and because although we love loud systems and systems that are SQ perfect, we also understand that 95% of people (teens to late 20s) tend to think they can listen to loud music non-stop and not have to worry about it for a long time. Let me ask you this, would you stand next to a guy firing a .45 magnum without wearing hearing protection? Mags SPL is usually around 130-136 depending on the casing. So we'll rib ya a bit, but the truth is, most (if not all) of us believe in the safety of an install. That includes your ears. As for your grades, good job and keep up the good work, but listen to us veterans and "old foagies" Some of us (no names of anyone in particular) used to be like you and now we face the results. Good Luck! ------------- Never send your ducks to eagle school.
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Posted By: jettagli03
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 12:39 AM
Are we sure he can even hit 130db? I know someone with two Rockford P1 12's at full potential and it's not THAT loud. When I had a single Brahma 12 a few years back it was easily louder but then again twice the power. Can the P2's be much louder than P1's?
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By twice the power I meant my RMS was twice his MAX 
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Posted By: Aruman
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 1:13 AM
bellsracer wrote:
Getting your subs into ported boxes will give you an extra 3 db (twice as loud)...
that's twice the power(electrical), not twice as loud, twice as loud will be like 10dB. ------------- Shaking The Neighborhood
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 2:33 AM
The P2's are a lil louder than the P1s...One friend of mine has two P1 12's and the other had two P2 12's...the P2's were only slighty louder but hit the lower end stronger
Cheaper way to go right now is to try out a nicely build ported box for your subs...cheaper than buying a new sub or two
Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 2:38 AM
so do i have to go around with earplugs in my ears all the time xD. and fine i lied!!!!!!!!!! i maxed out at 129.7db's, my bad. as for my amp i did have a rockford fosgate...... forgot product number and dont wanna go look it up, but some dink broke into my car and stole that amp, a soundstream amp (for front and rear speakers, better SQ then deck) and two decks that i had in the car. so after that i got a cheap deck from a friend and i am using my brother crappy insignia amp, says 320rms x 1 bridged 4 ohm i believe, but ya never know. when goin from the rockford to the insagnia you can here alot more distortion at high volumes so i have to turn down the gain and adjust the fq. again about the hearing i dont want to be deaf when im 20, but i love music, do i have to drive around with earplugs or sumthing lol. i more like the feel of the bass. (when ur looking at a sign and it moves to the beat xD) btw thanks for the compliment on my grades, i used to not care about it and jus snuck by but im getting my stuff together.
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 2:05 PM
I owuld say get yourself a good stong amp again before you worry about upgrading your subs. The get together with a couple friends..go to home depot or similar, buy some MDF (wood) some screws and caulk, and build your self a new box.
Look on rockfords site for reccomended ported enclsurers for those subs, I know I have built a few at 2-2.25cu ft ported to 34hz and they sounded pretty good
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Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 3:23 PM
thanks for the help but as i said before i am selling my rockfords in a couple of weeks so a buddy of mine. its my birthday in a couple of weeks so i am buying myself a new system. if the total cost goes over what i have my parents will loan me the money till my next paycheck. i was asking everyone about good subwoofers they have seen as for the best i have seen/heard are my buddys kicker compvs 12's and they where alright. thanks for the help otherwise and if my buddy doesnt buy them for some reason everything you have all said will help alot. thanks guys
Posted By: Paradigm
Date Posted: September 23, 2006 at 6:42 PM
If you insist on driving around (or just parked) with the music turned up really loud, then yes, wear earplugs. Although that won't completely stop the destruction to your hearing, it's a step in the right direction. Otherwise, the best thing you can do is...is......<wait for it>......TURN IT DOWN!  ------------- VEHICLE: 2002 GMC Sonoma ZR2
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Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 12:40 AM
yeah i guess ur right xD, i tried wearing earplugs and it sounded funny lol, i couldnt really hear highs and not all the lows. i could still feel it so that was cool, i guess my hearing is more important then music. ohhhh yeah btw i jus tested my subs and i only hit 127.6 =(. going from a rockford amp to an insignia make a big difference.
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 1:35 AM
Well duh...Insignia needs to stick with making home audio doodie
Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 8:12 AM
even with that i still hit 127, its jus the way i have the subs facing and everything else set up. for my car i have a 92 buick lesaber POS (piece of $h17) that is about to fall apart. ill try to make a pic of how i have it set up on paint xD. i can kind of explain it so it makes more sense, behind the back seat of my can, there was a BIG metal plate. i cut a hole in it that looks like a vented box, then i built an amp rack. (if i woulda bought a cap i would have mounted my rockford on this but i didnt have a cap so it was sitting on the floor, GOT STOLEN =(....) MOUNT YOUR STUFF!!!! idk really how to explain this more. if you have questions about it jus ask and ill try my best to explain.
Posted By: jonathancullen
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 8:14 AM
ummm rookies cant edit posts? alright then sorry for the double post but to get things clear, i dont drive a granny car!!!!!!!!!!!!! i also have a 86 chevy camaro, i dont have a system in this because i dont need it, if i had one in this i would be deaf already. i cant to get a small truck or suv and win sum comps hopefully.
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