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Forum Name: Car Audio
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Topic: Biwire?

Posted By: sprawl85
Subject: Biwire?
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 10:08 PM

Ok I have an mb quart component set... much like the current premium set. The crossovers have a single input as well as a biwire option. If I have 100x2 going to it right now without the biwire option turned on, does that send 50 to the tweets and 50 to the mids on each side, or does it send 100w to the tweets and 100watts to the mids on each side (that doesn't seem to make much sense, but thought I would ask)

Also, if I use the bi wire option with 2 2 channel amps each having 100x2 output capability then my output would double correct?

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Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 11:45 PM
anyone please?

How about "most" component sets... do the crossovers split the wattage between woofer and tweeter?

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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: September 24, 2006 at 11:49 PM
Yes there is some kind of split...not sure of the percentages that go to each speaker...but if the power going into the crosser is 100 watts rms...the power to each spealer cannot be 100 watts...well thats all I know


Sprawl...be paitent. It's late...well for most people. But I'm not one of those people...I like to stay up. Wait till tomorrow afternoon...you'll get more answers.

Is there not a manual that came with your component sets???

I am guessing that the bi-wiring method is a channel per speaker instead of the channel per set (tweet and mid)




Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: September 25, 2006 at 12:01 AM
indeed the biwire is two inputs two outputs per side, so I guess I would end up with more power/headroom with two amps. I will probably end up trying it sometime tomorrow as I wait for more answers on how exactly most crossovers split the wattage.

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Posted By: dwarren
Date Posted: September 25, 2006 at 1:35 AM
Yes there is definately a split of power with the passive x-over. Some where in the 70/30 range giving the majority to the mid. Tweeters are very effecient and require far less power.

The bi-wire setup will require four channels of amplification (like you mentioed the second amp). The bi wire setup you are enquireing about is cool, but you are still limited by the passive x-overs. If you were to add another amp, you might want to go entirely active, either with a separate x-over or perhaps you have a deck capable of doing so. The reasons, more flexibility with x-over settings, time alignment can be introduced and the good old power is not wasted.

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Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: September 25, 2006 at 4:22 AM
damn it if I could only get rid of my doodiety deck... maybe i'll just try it biwire first with the two amps and see how that works for me. At least I will be able to tame my tweets a little.

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: September 25, 2006 at 9:59 AM
Never heard of it termed "bi wire". I always heard it termed "bi amped".

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Posted By: sprawl85
Date Posted: September 25, 2006 at 10:18 AM
well me quart calls it biwire. But same thing as bi amping

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: September 25, 2006 at 10:35 AM
sprawl85 wrote:

well me quart calls it biwire. But same thing as bi amping

No, it's different. Bi-amping means two amplifiers, with (generally) active crossovers. It CAN be passive crossovers, but that setup is not nearly as efficient as active crossing over. Bi-wiring means two (sets of) wire(s), and mandates the use of passive crossovers. Bi-amping REQUIRES bi-wiring, but bi-wiring CAN use one amplifier - read on...
auex] wrote:

Never heard of it termed "bi wire". I always heard it termed "bi amped".

Technically, you can bi-wire without bi-amping. It IS possible to run two sets of wire from one set of amplifier terminals. The reason to do this is supposed to be you can use a larger gauge of wire for the lows, for reduced DC resistance, and a different set of wire for the highs, for 1: lower intermodulation distortion, and 2: better high frequency transfer.

While I have bi-wired before, and there IS ABSOLUTELY a noticeable difference, WHY the difference is there, I would not be able to tell you, and support with empirical evidence (there may not be any, in all honesty), all I can say is that I have personally noticed tremendous differences in the overall system's transparency, high frequency response, and other (probably) subjective terms... Suffice to say, I have heard diffences in bi-wiring.

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