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How do I bridge 2 subs to 2 ohms?

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Topic: How do I bridge 2 subs to 2 ohms?

Posted By: maxmodder
Subject: How do I bridge 2 subs to 2 ohms?
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 10:21 AM

I'm in the process of hooking up a set of Alpine 12" Single-Voice-Coil 4-Ohm Subwoofers (Model: SWE-1242) to an alpine amp.  The RMS is 200w, and the max is 600w for each sub.  The amp specs for the alpine Model: MRP-M450 are as follows:

Continuous Watts per Channel (4 Ohms) 220 x 1
Continuous Watts per Channel (2 Ohms) 400 x 1
Continuous Watts Bridged 600
Max Power Watts per Channel (4 Ohms) 220 x 1
Max Power Watts per Channel (2 Ohms) 400 x 1
Max Power Watts per Channel (4 Ohms Bridged) 600

I've hooked everything up as seen in the following diagram

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Is everything hooked up correctly?  How come the amp specs don't say
Continous Power Watts per Channel (4 Ohms Bridged) 300?  How does one interpret how many
watts RMS each sub sees when the amp is bridged to carry a 2 ohm load given the above specs?
What should i set the gain, signal to noise ratio, and frequency to on the amp?
I'm kinda new to all this!




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Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 10:57 AM

Max Power Watts per Channel (4 Ohms Bridged) 600

Your 2 single four ohm drivers will NOT yeild the 4ohm load you desire. Use 1 sub, or get 2, 4ohm DVC's

Option 1 (parallel/parallel) = 1 ohm load
Voice coils wired in parallel, speakers wired in parallel
Recommended Amplifier: Stable at 1 ohm mono
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Option 2 (series/parallel) = 4 ohm load
Voice coils wired in series, speakers wired in parallel
Recommended Amplifier: Stable at 4, 2, or 1 ohm mono
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Posted By: maxmodder
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 11:16 AM

This package deal was sold at Best Buy for 369.00 (box, subs and amp)

I take it that there is going to be alot of complaints coming back to them for selling an amp not capable of running the subs the sell.





Posted By: maxmodder
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 11:33 AM
How do we know that the amp isn't 2 ohm stable when bridged?




Posted By: maxmodder
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 11:41 AM

Its also sold at crutchfield:

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-mP6QtzsfOv9/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?I=700ALPPKG6

Did they incorrectly package this?





Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 12:02 PM
I think some confusion has occured 2 4 ohm svc's=2 ohm load on them amp as shown in the first diagram. It is correctly packaged. There are seeral tutorials on the this forum on how to set gains, some say use a multi meter with a test tones, some say they are good enough to do it by ear (sure) some say use an oscilliscope etc............Choose your poison or take it to a local audio shop and give them a few bucks to set it up properly....

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Posted By: Flakman
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 12:13 PM
maxmodder wrote:

Continuous Watts Bridged 600
Max Power Watts per Channel (4 Ohms Bridged) 600


This is where the confusion is. You CANNOT get 600 watts out of this amp. It is rated at 400 watts @ 2 ohm or 220 watts @ 4 ohm. Also, you CANNOT bridge a mono amp. Bridging is when the left and right channels of an amplifier are connected via the outputs to essentially give you one mono amplifier.

The setup mentioned running both 4 ohm subs in parallel giving a 2 ohm load to the amp is correct. This would provide 200 watts to each sub which is what they should have.



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The Flakman
I feel strange. I have deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

John | Manteca, CA




Posted By: maxmodder
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 2:22 PM

Thanks for clearing things up for me everyone.  Can someone explain why the specs say "Max Power Watts per Channel (4 Ohms Bridged) 600"  if the amp cannot be bridged? 

Also which statement below is the same as saying:
Continuous Watts per Channel (2 Ohms) 400 x 1

1) Continuous Watts per Channel (2 Ohms) 200 x 2
2) Continuous Watts per Channel (4 Ohms) 200 x 2





Posted By: Flakman
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 3:24 PM

Neither, since you are talking about stereo output relating to mono output.

Some amps will say: 200 watts @ 4 ohm stereo and 400 watts @ 4 ohm mono (bridged). Mind you, I don't personally know of any stereo or multichannel amp that will bridge at 2 ohms.

There are other amps that will tell you that their bridged output power is greater than the sum of their 4 ohm stereo output. It's all on how the manufacturer rates it.

In the end, your amp at 2 ohms and 400 watts mono to your two subs in parallel are a good match.

Now, I haven't seen the actual packaging...but I know that Alpine's advertising on their website lists the specs correctly for subs and amp for that package. I was actually looking into buying that for my girlfriend since she isn't trying to have serious bass in her vehicle. For $299, ya can't go too wrong.



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The Flakman
I feel strange. I have deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

John | Manteca, CA




Posted By: maxmodder
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 5:44 PM

The 600 watts bridged then is a typo.  I understand now, thankfully I don't have to take anything back to the store.  I take it that it's more common to run 2 single voice coil subs in a mono format?  When and why would someone run them in stereo? 





Posted By: Flakman
Date Posted: September 29, 2006 at 5:55 PM

If you are using a stereo amp that can push what they need, it's all good. That was the whole reasoning for making 2 ohm DVC and 4 ohm DVC subwoofers. To allow you the ability to configure your system how you want.

I know that Sony sold a setup similar to the Alpine package. but it was a stereo amp with 2 - 4 ohm 10" subwoofers. The amp was pushing a good amount of wattage for the subs in the package. There are many combinations for setting up a subwoofer system using mono, 2 channel, 4 channel amps. It's all about how you want to setup your system or how to setup a system with what you have. I don't think it is necessarily more common, but that would be for someone that does installations professionally to say. They would have a better aggregate base of data to determine what people typically setup for their systems.



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The Flakman
I feel strange. I have deja vu and amnesia at the same time.

John | Manteca, CA





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