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Testing for clipping with oscilliscope

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Topic: Testing for clipping with oscilliscope

Posted By: sin0cide
Subject: Testing for clipping with oscilliscope
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 12:28 AM

I have a handheld that I bought and put together (was a kit offline forgot the site name) anyways where do I test the signal from... I am guessing I need to reference the rca outputs but what if I want to know if the amp is clipping I am sure that it can't handle the power that would come out of the speaker ports. I will try to find the place I bought it from because i am sure it helps if you know what it can do.



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Posted By: saturnsubohio
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 3:20 PM
yes some more info would be very helpful here.

THere should also be some specifications on the back of the OScope.

More info the better we can help you..

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2006 WRX STI
Electrical Engineer
Ohio University Alumni




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: November 07, 2006 at 4:46 PM
The scope should handle the voltage from the speaker outputs.  And yes that is where you need to check it.




Posted By: sin0cide
Date Posted: November 08, 2006 at 10:41 AM




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 08, 2006 at 2:05 PM

On the RCA outputs you connect the ground to the outer ring and the probe on the centre post, on the amp output just connect the neg of the probe to the neg speaker wire and the probe on the positive speaker wire.  Be sure to set your volts per division properly so you can see the full wave form, if you want to see the average wave form frozen put your trigger in the waveforms magnitude area, if you want to see the wave forms as they appear "live" move the trigger out of the wave form.   All that will be in your manual, hopefully...

NEVER hook up both probe wires to the electrically same wire, or ZAP.



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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: November 08, 2006 at 3:10 PM
Alpine Guy wrote:

NEVER hook up both probe wires to the electrically same wire, or ZAP.

That part I don't understand... What are you saying, here?

Also, you 'scope will do fine. Rated 100v p-p, you could (in theory) measure the output of a 2500 watt amplifer. It's perfectly safe to measure pretty much any amplifier output with that particular 'scope.

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Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: November 08, 2006 at 3:26 PM

You should check the input in to the amp to make sure your source unit isn't clipping, and then you should check the output of the amp to make sure your output isn't clipping.

I believe the 'standard' procedure is to place a known frequency track and turn your source unit up until you see clipping on the RCAs in to the amp.  Back the volume down a bit.

Then, with the source unit at the volume you found in the first step, still playing the same frequency slowly raise the gain on the amp until you see distortion, then back it down slightly.



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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 08, 2006 at 8:20 PM

haemphyst wrote:

Alpine Guy wrote:

NEVER hook up both probe wires to the electrically same wire, or ZAP.

That part I don't understand... What are you saying, here?

Also, you 'scope will do fine. Rated 100v p-p, you could (in theory) measure the output of a 2500 watt amplifer. It's perfectly safe to measure pretty much any amplifier output with that particular 'scope.

I had a brain fart, i was thinking what happens if you hook up 2 probes in 1 oscilloscope and ground to different wires, , disregard that comment.....too much homework tonight already lol.



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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.




Posted By: sin0cide
Date Posted: November 09, 2006 at 1:22 AM
awsome thanks for the input guys I figured I was at a lost on this purchase but I guess it will work out in the end... thanks for your time.





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