whos beter eclipse or zapco?

hey guys i narrowed my amps down to these 2...im not to sure which route to go, i can get the eclipse for $190

https://www.eclipse-web.com/amp/ea4000.html

or i can get the zapco for $380
https://www.woofersetc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&Product_ID=597

now i like eclipse and i know they have good stuff, but is this a crapy cheap amp with the eclipse name on it?
 as far as zapco goes everyone says good things about them....so is the zapco really worth the extra $190? are the numbers accurate for each amp?

the eclipse puts out 2x150w @4ohm
while the zapco puts out   100w @ 4ohms or 175w @2ohm
this is for some cdt 60's so i want to make sure theese spekaers have a good amp for them thnx guys :)  i like to give them 150 watts each

A "digital" amp is a switching amp.  Class D, T or Ice Power.

I'd buy the Zapco.

ahhh...see... good to ask questions..I know a class D uses switch mode vs. linear but I thought the term "digital amp" was a marketing ploy. Thanks.

Regardless the Eclipse amp on the link in the post is a 4/3/2 channel mosfet..I don't see any info at all stating it is class D. I agree that the specs on the Zapco (s/n, thd)are better and it puts out about 50w more @ 4ohm brigded, but not $200 worth of better IMO.

But I am a cheapskate..lol

im a cheapstake 2, but only because i know what something can really be had for, im using the amp for components, not a sub, another reason why i want to get the right amp for these, im still not sure if i should use my ppi art amp instead and use the money for a new alpine hu...i am looking for quality, thats why im still leaning the zapco way....whats the differnce with a digatal amp vs analog amp? wouldnt a digatal amp be beter suited for componets?

do you guys think a ppi art a300 will work good for these speakers

First off..if you have an old PPI art series I personally love those and would use it and save the money..well something any cheapskate would do..lol

What was meant by a "digital" amp is a class D..which most are really designed for subwoofer mono applications, not the best choice for components. A "non" class D amp may be referred  to as an "analog" or "linear" amp which has to do with the type of internal "switching". Class D amps are more efficient then a class AB..which is what 99% of 2 and 4 channel amps are.

So no, a class D or "digital" if you wish to call it is not best suited for components unless it is a special application class D incorporating corrective circuitry..I have not seen too many of those so I would imagine they are rare or expensive. There are also class A amplifiers..which are not very efficient at all (maybe 50%) but many audiophiles swear by them. There is also another class called class T, which refers to "tripath" which is a technology that claims lower cost...extremely high efficiency (like 90%), basically like a digital amp but claim the sound quality of an A or AB. I have not tested a class T amplifier so I can not post a personal opinion on that. But use the PPI.....I can't see anything wrong with that.

I sell both, the Eclipse at your pricing is a steal. It is a solid amp. Want to spend the $ the Zapco commands, then look at the big Eclipse XA4000.

Full range class D amp topology is here today. Eclipse has had it in their line for awhile now, same with Xtant. After it had proven itself, the licenses paid for etc, Alpine PDX amps came out and Pioneer Premiere amps came out. IT works, it works amazingly great, it sounds even better. Next year there will be far more amps on the market that embrace the new circuit topology.

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So no, a class D or "digital" if you wish to call it is not best suited for components unless it is a special application class D incorporating corrective circuitry..I have not seen too many of those so I would imagine they are rare or expensive.

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The eclipse XA line are all class D ICEpower amps. just like the alpine pdx series. These are actually slowly proving to be much better than your typical class a/b multi channel amp. The EA line however are still class A/B. either way you go, eclipse is always a great choice.

all of these prices are taken from the cardomain website. since they are an online authorized dealer, their prices will be a lot closer to what a local retailer will sell them for than what ebay will have.

EA4000 $299 (onsale right now for $199) 75RMS X 4

XA4000 $450   125RMS X 4

yes, very clean. from what I hear, there were 2 world champs this year using the full range clas D ICEpower amps. Here is a link to a review and bench test of the XA2000 done by CA&E mag.

https://www.caraudiomag.com/testreports/0609_cae_eclipse_xa2000_amp/

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..interesting stuff..I learn something new here all the time.Thanks.

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Stick with us, kid, and you'll go far. 

I know..it's just amazing how new technologies come out or change and some ideas you always knew about are obsolete. This site keeps me updated especially since i hardly have time to read any industry publications anymore due to being online alot or installing.

thanks again