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Battery Isolator w/ or w/o a Capacitor?

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=88198
Printed Date: May 21, 2024 at 3:41 PM


Topic: Battery Isolator w/ or w/o a Capacitor?

Posted By: bartmo1
Subject: Battery Isolator w/ or w/o a Capacitor?
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 12:08 AM

OK guys, here is my situation:  I have 3 10 inch JVC DVC subs each powered with a single JVC amplifier.  My power wire is Stinger 1/0 with a 300 amp inline Rockford Fosgate fuse. I have a Optima battery in the engine compartment for the power pull.  On my remote wire I have a relay to boost the voltage; the same goes for my RCA's with a Planet Audio balanced line driver to assist my subwoofer amplifiers(  this does not seem to work properly in my eyes, quite possibly the installation--maybe).  I also have 2 each JVC 4 channel amplifiers--one to push the front door seperates (2 pair of 6.5 inch JVC component sets) and the second to push 2 pair of JVC 6X9's in my rear deck.  I have a Rockford Fosgate 1 farad cap on my 2 4 channel amps at this time, awaiting a cap big enough to hold the sub amps---possibly a 8 farad...not to mention a secondary battery and battery isolator.  I guess my question is this:  with all this in my 1992 Nissan Primera ( Infiniti G20 stateside) will the isolator and cap be suffice to keep my lights from dimming with the bass pull?

thanks again, your forum and site is always a great assistance



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Christian



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Posted By: gavin9797
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 2:38 AM
As always stated when dealing with power, upgrade the big three. Sounds as though you will need a H/O alternater. As big as you can get for your vehicle. Then probably at least one isolater and Aux battery (deep cycle...try optima, kinetic, stinger...etc). It sounds like you have a large current draw, and  a cap will not be the answer to this problem. If you insist on using one, do all the above upgrades first, than add a cap (or multiple caps) to the "sub" side of your system. DO NOT RELY ON THE CAPS TO STOP "dimming" etc.  




Posted By: gavin9797
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 2:41 AM




Posted By: bartmo1
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 3:06 AM

Thanks alot for your help.  I kind of thought of those but got some bad advice.  I will do the "big three" and see how things go.  I have already ordered the isolator and the secondary battery - kenetik actually. 

again, thank you



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Christian




Posted By: bartmo1
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 3:14 AM
Just another question for you:  my 6X9's have major engine noise/hum in them....i have rewired the car completely, using new wires for everything but the 1/0 main power wire.  Could it be a bad ground?  Do you have a good place for me to start looking for a high output alternator for my Primera?  It is a Japanese drive vehicle.  Thanks again for your help...

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Christian




Posted By: gavin9797
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 3:09 PM

For the alternator, I am not a hundred percent positive. I am not sure what you have available in your location. I know Stinger and KnuKonceptz offer HO alt. There is probably more information within this site on specific places to look. If you are ordering all your parts online than certainly shop around, before you make a purchase post the link of the item on here if you are not certain if the alt. will fit your application.

As for your engine noise, certainly double check all your connections, make sure your wires did not get damaged etc. Make sure your RCA lines are not running with any power wire. ( eg. I will always try to run power wire down say the left side of the vehicle, and RCA and speaker wires down the right side) Make sure your amplifiers are grounded properly to a structural mount. After this, in-line noise filters are available, and they easily adapt into your rca lines. (eg. Stinger SGLI ground loop isolater). For the amount of amplifiers you are running I would  use a a good quality RCA line (heavy, thick jacketed) though this is a personal preference.





Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 6:04 PM
The engine noise problem is most certainly a grounding issue.

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My ex once told me I have a perfect face for radio.




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: January 02, 2007 at 7:55 PM
Get rid of all of your caps in your system...caps are a waste and will not stop a major voltage problem.

Also do NOT use a battery isolator...they cause too much of a voltage drop to be of any use...I would recommend a heavy duty relay. Virtually no voltage drop at all.

Heavy Doody Relay




Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: January 03, 2007 at 5:11 AM
Aznboi3644, that is the most common type of battery isolator. I think you mean stay away from the diode type because of the voltage drop.

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My ex once told me I have a perfect face for radio.




Posted By: bartmo1
Date Posted: January 03, 2007 at 6:28 AM

Thanks ya'll, seriously.  So first I am going to do 'the big three' this weekend.  Secondly, I have already ordered the first battery isolator/high power relay for the secondary battery.  Thirdly I am going to re-trace and run my wiring ( all of it). And then make sure that no wires are crossing each other. 

So my set up looks like this as we type but I do want to add a dual 12 inch with the same JVC amp each (same as each 10 inch).  These are being run in the back seat(removed).  With this in mind, will I require yet another isolator/relay and battery(a third) or will the two high output batteries, the isolator and new grounding system be enough?  I have ventured out there to see if I can find a high output alternator as well -- no such luck right now, not for my car -- 1992 Nissan Primera ( J-spec).  2.0 engine w/ a 60 amp stock alternator.  I have been looking through 'Stinger' webpage but it is not very user friendly, next is the KnuKonceptz site.  Again, thanks for everything.  Love this site!!!!!



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Christian




Posted By: bartmo1
Date Posted: January 03, 2007 at 8:22 AM

www.4alterstart.com

I spoke with a gentleman here and he can build me a H/O alternator for $329.00.  He said 150 amps....will this suffice for my set up, even if it grows with monitors and maybe an amp or two more?  again, thanks...take care



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Christian




Posted By: gavin9797
Date Posted: January 03, 2007 at 6:54 PM

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=54962&KW=calculating+amperage

Here is a post that hopefully will help you. I chose this....basically 'cause its easier than retyping the information.

You have a  large system, not knowing the ratings for all your equipment this should hopefully give you a clearer indication. It is a guide to get you started non the less.

Something that I always use as a rule of thumb. OEM manufacturers don't typically offer "Extra" power for aftermarket applications. So the alternator you have generally is sufficient for the car and its options. You may be able to get away with a couple small additions, but not to the extent of your system.





Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: January 03, 2007 at 8:18 PM
geepherder wrote:

The engine noise problem is most certainly a grounding issue.


Yes...I don't like those big bulky crappy isolators





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