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Hi, I am currently running one 12 L7 Kicker sub powered by a kicker ZX750.1 and am vary haapy with as of right now, but as everyone eles, I want it louder.

I am probably going to be transfering this current system out my jeep and into a jetta... Once i've done that I will probably going to be starting from scratch on the jeep to make it a killer system, new wiring and everything.

First I want to have dual subs this time and I will be making a custom fiberglass box for the new babies... Now it I have been debating on what thumpers I should perchase... The price wont really matter becuase they are already around the same price.

1. Kicker Solo X (10 or 12, not sure, dont know which is why im posting)

2. JL Audio 13 W7

3. MTX Thunder SuperWoofer T9500 (Size 12 Or 15, Dont know the company as much so dont know how these are)

Personally I like Kicker the most, but that is the only company I have used soo far, but I am willing to change.

I am not looking to go SPL, but just something that I drive around with listening to loud music and something to show off...

Once I have choosen the subs, then I will look into the amps, like I said, I am currently running a Kicker ZX750.1 for the sub and a ZX350.4 for the components, and my next project, I want it to alot louder than what i have right now whic is pretty loud...

If anyone has any other sub recommendation please let me know, but I just picked the ones off the top of my head, and from what I have witnessed are one of the best ones out, except for the Big Ass MoFo's like the SoloX 18 and the Jackhammer, but I dont have the $$ for those, nor do I need something with the amount of power..

Thank you your time!!

tc-sounds, great products. just getting ready to order two of their 12's myself, or 15's, not sure yet

FI, RE Audio, Memphis Mojos, Adire Audio subs

Ok, I was looking around and came across a great price for the Kicker Solo X, $300 for the 10" model, and $350 for the 12" model... Excep I am still wondering if I should get the 10" model, or should I spend the extra $50 and get the 12"... THey are both rated and 2500 Watts RMS though, so I am wondering if there will be any difference between the 2 sizes since they still hold the same amoint of power??? Will it be louder or will there just be more air pressure???

Also I still have no clue what OHM means?

Should I get the the 1 OHM or 2 OHM, what is the difference and what does it change if anything....

unless you plan to run a total of 2000 RMS for the 10 or 3000 rms to the 12, upgrade to get another L7

The Solo X subs take a top of power to get loud!

trust me on this, for the power you have and are looking to possibly get I would stay with the L7's

Ur upgrade your power slightly and geta pair of 2006 L5's they will get louder on the L7's untill you get to about 1200Rms per woofer

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I just noticed you said you wanted dual subs, so you can double the RMS figures I said before.

as far as what impedance (ohms) to get, it depends on the amp you plan to run....with the current amp you have you could not even move either the 10 or 12 Solo X

with the L5's or L7's you would want to match you impedance to the lowest reccomended on your amp

are you planning on upgrading amps? Alternator? wire size? ect ect?

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Yeah i know, like i said, i am probably going to be transfering my current set up into another car, sub, amp, speakers, wire, (except speaker wire b/c its 16ga monster cable, thats the only thing that is saying in the car.. If i were to get the Solo X's i would prolly get 2 ZX 2500., one for each sub... as to the ohms, i dont know what they are capiable of yet, didnt do the reasearch...

The W7 is in a different league than these other woofers IMO. If you just want something that gets loud, i would pass it up

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coppellstereo wrote:

The W7 is in a different league than these other woofers IMO. If you just want something that gets loud, i would pass it up

Then what is different about the W7?? I want something that gets loud, but still has good sound quality...

for sq i would go with the w7.

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two 12" cadence TXW-12S, cadence TXA-3002 amplifier, 1990 toyota celica system 10 speakers

With (2) ZX2500.1's you will need a minimum of a 300 amp alternator and 2 or more G31 Gel cell batteries, with 2 runs of 1/0

I see about $1000 wort of upgrades right there to your electrical system right there to even support that kind of power, have you taken that into consideration yet?

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Today I was at a local electroics store, abt electronics, they had the 13 W7 on display and it sounded amazing and loud, im sure that they dont have the max. watts hooked up to it, so now i am starting to take the 13 W7 into consiteration b/c of its amazing sound quality, and since this sub doesnt hold 2500 watts rms, i prolly won't be getting the 2500's...

I was think of getting the 2 Kicker SX1250's, they are 1 ohm, and the subs are 1.5 (I think) Here is the spec page for the sub...
https://mobile.jlaudio.com/products_subs.php?series_id=10

And for the amp... www.kicker.com

Would this amp work for this sub???

As for the electic work on the car, the only thing that is up to date is the battery, it is and optima yellow top, is that enough to hold 2 of these amps and like a decent 4 channel amp around 500 rms...

The alternator is stock and i will probably have to replace that b/c i have a little power issue as of right now with 1100 rms so i am expecting to change that anyways..

As for the power cable, i will be running a fresh 0 ga. wire, 2 if needed, do you think it will be needed for like 3000 rms total???

And do you think i will need another battery??

THx for you help!

Plain and simple you cant make power from nothing

The SX1250's will draw close to if not over 150 amps of current each

That puts you in the same boat as a single 2500, you will still need a 300 amp alternator and probably 2 batteries to supply that much power

on average to run a system at normal to high listening levels you will need 50-75 amps fo current per 1000 watt amp

you are looking at 2 amps capable of 1250

for 2500 RMS you are looking at 200 amps of draw on a normal to high listening basis and 300 or possibly more when you really crank it up.

I would seriousy consider upgradeing you alternator if you plan to build I very large setup like this.

A good reliable 300 amp alternator will range from 4350 to $500 depending ont he maker, you can look at Irragio alts High Outout alts or powermaster for a true rating of what they put out and all those will be reliable

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jeffchilcott wrote:

That puts you in the same boat as a single 2500, you will still need a 300 amp alternator and probably 2 batteries to supply that much power

I would seriousy consider upgradeing you alternator if you plan to build I very large setup like this.

A good reliable 300 amp alternator will range from 4350 to $500 depending ont he maker, you can look at Irragio alts High Outout alts or powermaster for a true rating of what they put out and all those will be reliable

When you say 2 batteries, do you mean 2 plus the one in the engine compartment, or that one plus another in the back of the car... I have a optima yellow top, would another one of thoes be good or should i change those to like an stinger or something??

As for the alternator, like i said i would be replacing that anyhow soo... Can you send me a link for them??

And about the cable runs, do you think i would have to do one run of 0 ga. or two??

Ok since i am starting to get closer and closer to acttualyy doing a big system, i just want to get this straight...

How much louder will having 2 JL Audio W7 13's powered by 2 Kicker SX1250.1 amps be than 1 Solobaric L7 12" powered by a Kicker ZX750.1 amp... I am just wondering if it is going to be much louder and have better SQ before I go out and drop a couple large on it...

THx for your time and help

If I had to guess on a meter, I would only say 1 to 2 db diffrence, possible of 3 to 4 depending on enclosure

But you will get alot better SQ

The link for the Alts I reccomebd are found here

https://www.highoutputalternator.com/ They are one of the most reliable companys I have delt with yet, and also able to make a HO alt for literly any vehicle on the plant

I would go with a total of 2 batteries, and please stay away from stinger

The yelow top you have is already the top of the gear lines, the only batts that would be mch better then The Optimas would be something along the lines of a Audioforce (same as kenitik but better prices) Or powermaster (again made by the same manufacurer as Kinetik and audioforce but slightly higher price then audio force)

You can find the full line of Audioforce abtteries and also Optimas here

https://www.batteriesareus.com/ on the left side thier is individual links to optima and audioforce batteries

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Ok i got the quote for the alternator that you sent me and i got it back today... The highest they make is a 200 amps, is that enough amps right???

Here is the reply:

Quotation

Application :          97-98 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0L

HO Part Number :     98025A

HO Rating :          200 amps

Our suggested solution to your power needs:

1.     Replacement Alternator     HO 200 amp Alternator Part # 98025A
                    Price includes our 1 year hassle free warranty.
                    Suggested Retail       $735 Your Price   $649
                    https://www.highoutputalternator.com/PDF/Web PDFs - Denso.pdf


Our alternator will directly replace the stock alternator, and interface directly to your car’s computer. No need for brackets or messing with the wire harness.    The only change you will make is the output from the alternator to the battery.    We recommend 4 gauge or larger.

HO alternators are custom built to work with your vehicle’s computer and existing brackets.   Please anticipate a one week delivery time due to our current backlog of orders.
Contact me if you have any questions.

Phillip Potter
H.O. Alternators
1-866-HI-OUTPUT

A little more than expected but that is ok becuase i need a new alternator no matter what becuase my stock alt. is a 90 amp only... Not enough juice!!

damnit thats retarted, i sent mine a couple weeks ago and have gotten nothing..... wtf??? imma try again.

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two 12" cadence TXW-12S, cadence TXA-3002 amplifier, 1990 toyota celica system 10 speakers

The thing about thier alt's is they are tested and that is thier output at idle, unlike most companys that test at 3500RPM

I would almost bet you could get 250-300 out of an alt like that at highway speeds, but 200 in town driving

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kmgraphix wrote:

Will it be louder or will there just be more air pressure???
Uhh, that's basically how loudness is measured, by air pressure. Each subwoofer may sound different, and one even may sound louder than the other but in reality more air pressure should=louder. Sound waves are nothing more than pressure changes in the air.
Also I still have no clue what OHM means?

Should I get the the 1 OHM or 2 OHM, what is the difference and what does it change if anything....

That's the unit for the electrical resistance of the subwoofer. It changes the loads the amplifier sees and it is important in your choice of setups. Do some searches and you will find loads of information on this.

jeffchilcott wrote:

The thing about thier alt's is they are tested and that is thier output at idle, unlike most companys that test at 3500RPM

That is not what i found, the alt that they sent me is only rated at 120 amp, which i dont think is enough... Here look at it for yourself.

https://www.highoutputalternator.com/PDF/Web%20PDFs%20-%20Denso.pdf

zhalverson wrote:

kmgraphix wrote:

Will it be louder or will there just be more air pressure???

Uhh, that's basically how loudness is measured, by air pressure. Each subwoofer may sound different, and one even may sound louder than the other but in reality more air pressure should=louder. Sound waves are nothing more than pressure changes in the air.

Also I still have no clue what OHM means?

Should I get the the 1 OHM or 2 OHM, what is the difference and what does it change if anything....

That's the unit for the electrical resistance of the subwoofer. It changes the loads the amplifier sees and it is important in your choice of setups. Do some searches and you will find loads of information on this.

Yes i finally did figure out how that works... But thanks for your help anyway...

Right now i figured out how i have my sub wired, luckily it was correct from the get-go... It is a dual voice coil set up at 4Ohms, and i have it wired so that amp sees it as a 2Ohm..

What is this NAME BRAND heaven. Do you wanna sound good are look good. Check out MMATS, CERWIN VEGA, CADENCE, and DIAMOND. Imagine 2 diamond in a shallow ported box, posted_image

, I have had 2 MMATS ported, 3 cerwin vega ported, and 3 15 cerwin vegas. big boxes are boomy, correct sized boxes are loud

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If it's not custom, then it's not you.

Did you just put Cadence in the same sentence as MMats, and Diamond?

Wow there is something really really wrong there

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throwback2332 wrote:

What is this NAME BRAND heaven. Do you wanna sound good are look good. Check out MMATS, CERWIN VEGA, CADENCE, and DIAMOND. Imagine 2 diamond in a shallow ported box, , I have had 2 MMATS ported, 3 cerwin vega ported, and 3 15 cerwin vegas. big boxes are boomy, correct sized boxes are loud

I'm surprised no one has taken him to task about this little tidbit yet...

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Alpine CDA-7940
AudioControl EQT x2
JL Audio 1000/1
JL Audio 10W6 (originals) x3
Kicker ZR120
Kicker ZR460
Polk GXR-6 x4
Polk GXR-4 x2

What do you have a problem with name brands????

kmgraphix wrote:

jeffchilcott wrote:

The thing about thier alt's is they are tested and that is thier output at idle, unlike most companys that test at 3500RPM

That is not what i found, the alt that they sent me is only rated at 120 amp, which i dont think is enough... Here look at it for yourself.

https://www.highoutputalternator.com/PDF/Web%20PDFs%20-%20Denso.pdf

Does anyone think that 120Amps at idel is enough for something around 3000-3500 RMS??? I will have a separate battery for the sound system, or 2 if needed...

That is the alternatow with the highest output at idel speed that i found at this time. Does anyone know of anywhere with a higher idel rating, if you think i need it??

THx for your time and help!

I would write them back and tell them your looking for something higher at idle, or if you are willing to spend some time doing some minor modifications look into an Iragi CS-144 Alt I know those are 200-225 at idle I believe and 300 at higher speeds

He has an Ebay Store, but cannot post the link to it due to rules of fourm search ebay for Irragi Alts or search High OUtput alternators and look in the store section on the left side

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throwback2332 wrote:

What is this NAME BRAND heaven. Do you wanna sound good are look good. Check out MMATS, CERWIN VEGA, CADENCE, and DIAMOND. Imagine 2 diamond in a shallow ported box, , I have had 2 MMATS ported, 3 cerwin vega ported, and 3 15 cerwin vegas. big boxes are boomy, correct sized boxes are loud

lol what about jeffs box....his is really small but it is loud???

aznboi3644 wrote:

lol what about jeffs box....his is really small but it is loud???

JeffChilCott do you have pics of your 160db machine posted anywhere???

Just wondering becuase i want to see you extreme set up!!!

I have some very very vauge pics, not to show anything I dont want seen.....I have pics of the 4 subs setup posted but nothing of he box that I ran at finals with all 6 subs, the car was open for anyone to come by and see, but I generally dont post pics

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=82822&KW=jeffchilcott

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=85739&KW=jeffchilcott&PN=0&tpn=3

The second page has some pics from finals, the score at finals, and some of the hotel room crazness!

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jeffchilcott wrote:

I have some very very vauge pics, not to show anything I dont want seen.....I have pics of the 4 subs setup posted but nothing of he box that I ran at finals with all 6 subs, the car was open for anyone to come by and see, but I generally dont post pics

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=82822&KW=jeffchilcott

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=85739&KW=jeffchilcott&PN=0&tpn=3

The second page has some pics from finals, the score at finals, and some of the hotel room crazness!

DaMn! That pretty much explains what happened when i saw those pics! Just a quick question to help me along, what kind of alt do you have to power like 9000 watts, or does it help having all those batteries to store your quick burst energy??? Thanks man and sweet setup!

I had a total of 8 16V batteries on there, the car does not run or charge right now....I only need power for about 2 seconds if everything goes right, and I will drain all those batteries from 18 volts to below 16 very very quickly

I intend to run a dual alternator setup on the CRX when I get the motor work done....There is alot of power under the hood to match the hatch

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Nice!

Ok ive been at my friends shop today and one of his coustomers came and stoped by to visit, he has 2 MTX 9500 12's, powered by 2 MTX Thunder SuperAmps, TA81001, power @ 1500rms and i feel in love. The sound quality was amazing but sure as hell didnt compromise the loudness. As he was pulling away, his system was still vibrating the shop windows from down the street!!! Ive got my next setup!!

2 MTX 9500 12's
2 MTX TA81001 1500RMS
1 MTX TA7804 4x 100RMS @ 4Ohm

Tell me what i would need to power this, what is the preferable alt rating at idel speeds, and i know that i would need to get a seperate battery for the system, maybe 2 if needed... And probably 2 runs of 0ga. wire right?? What size cap also?? Tell me what you guys think i need for power.

THx for all your help and time!!

Ok what do you think is the bare miniumun that would be able to handel this set up..

2 MTX 9500 12's
2 MTX TA81001 1500RMS
1 MTX TA7804 4x 100RMS @ 4Ohm

So far all the amps that i found had like a 120 amp idel speed rating, do you think that will be enough if i had a separate battery for the system and had something aroung a 25-30 farad cap connected to the power supply?? Or do you think that i will need somethink with a higher rating... Worst comes to worst, i can always reve the engine while i am at a stop, to recharge the battery. But i would amagine that i will have to have the system blarring to be able to draine everything that fast...

Let me know what you guys think about that rating.

THx for all your help!

Caps are usless, in 99.5% of all applications.

Did you try irragi alts?

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jeffchilcott wrote:

Caps are usless, in 99.5% of all applications.

Did you try irragi alts?

OK i am going to sent them an email to see if they could get me a dominator series alt. that whill fit on my 97 jeep. I like their prices thouhg!!! Hopefully they get get me one for my car!

jeffchilcott wrote:

Caps are usless, in 99.5% of all applications.

Did you try irragi alts?

What is the .5% they are good for??? To help with diming lights, and assthetics?? LOL

power conditioning...smooth out voltage spikes

Smooth out voltage smikes of .9-1.1 volts or less! thats about all thier good for! AZN nailed it on the head!

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No response from Iragi yet hopefully soon though... But so far I got an email back from powermaster and they said that they didnt have anything of the specs that i needed for my car. They said that i would have to make a coustom bracket to run a dual alternator setup... But i dont think that i really have to do that so i will be looking elsewhere. I will stop by an stinger dealer to see what they would be able to do for me... They look like they have some pretty nice ones but i have no clue on what the price is i will see what they have to offer.

OK i got a email back from Iraggi and this is what it said...

Iraggi Alternator - "Dominator" Series Bosch ER/IF
240 Amp, 12 Volt, CW, 6-Groove Pulley

Used On:
(2001, 2002, 2003, 2004) Jeep Grand Cherokee 4.0L

Replaces:
Bosch 0-124-525-003, Chrysler 56041322AB

Lester: 13872

Dimensions:
Batt. Term: M8 x 1.25mm

115 amps at idle

240 amps max

Do you this this is a good one to buy... Its vary cheap!!! With the money that i saved on this one i can purchase another 2 optima yelloe tops to sustain the system if it is needed... Do you guys think that i should buy this one??

i am also wondering this 2. a 170 amp alternator for HO would cost me about $650 (on the low side) and an 180 amp araggi cost me about $350. (numbers arnt exact but in the same ballpark.) and like Kmgraphix said i could upgrade other parts of my electrical system with the large amount of money i saved. is HO true amperage whereas the araggi are flukes and dont produce thier actual power? or is HO trying to make a huge profit and they are both trustworthy?

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two 12" cadence TXW-12S, cadence TXA-3002 amplifier, 1990 toyota celica system 10 speakers

They are both trustworthy, I have had experience with both companys and had very very good results with both. I was a little happier with the HO alt, but I ca not see the diffrence in price.

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jeffchilcott wrote:

They are both trustworthy, I have had experience with both companys and had very very good results with both. I was a little happier with the HO alt, but I ca not see the diffrence in price.

Thanks man! i guess i will be going with iraggi... Im loving the money that i will be saving thx alot!!!!

I suppose I should step up and answer what may be the problem, As you guys know I am heavly involved with competition in USACi and slowly moving into DB Drag.    I tend to go stright to the company and give them a proposal of myself and what I can offer them, and typically I can get good responses back I.E Cheaper Costs

But You have to remember I have been doing this with my Girlfriend now for about 2 1/2 years stright and we probably have close to $20,000 of our own money invested in this "Hobby"   So the perks are great and all, but Still alot of hard work and hard earned money went into getting these perks

I normally dont see the price diffrences on alot of things because of "Special pricing"   so when I make a referal, it is always biased on actual use or very trustworthy referals.   By the way, Dont even ask pricing, because I wouldnt tell even if I liked ya! haha

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OK, here is my scoop, I recently stopped by my local audio shop and i brought up the alternator info.. He told me that he can get me an alternator that puts out 240 amps @ idel!! But the only thing is that is $700... So its between the Iraggi one that i posted which puts out 115 amps at idel for like 300 or whatever it is or i can get one that puts out 240amps at idel for 700.. The question is do i need that amount of power to supply 3000 rms watts with an extra battery for the sound system. Is the 115 idel sufficient for that kind of power, cause i would like to save the extra $400 if i can... But if i need that kind of power i will go out and buy the higher one.

Or basically i should put it like this, should i get the killer amp and be done, or should i get the one with a lower idel output and get the 1-2 extra batteries?? Which setup would be better?

I would be asking for he company hat makes this alternator, and also the spec sheets shoing this with output graphs.

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240 amps at idle, dang!!!!!!! that would be awesome. wish i could get ahold of one of those since i cant do a dual alternator setup on my car. whats it peak at?

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jeffchilcott wrote:

I would be asking for he company hat makes this alternator, and also the spec sheets shoing this with output graphs.

If i recall correctly, i think it is called northwest generators or something along that line, i know that it is ____ generators. When i get closer to buying the alt, i will ask for the spec sheets, etc. But before i go and do more research, do you think i need one that powerful?? Cause if i dont than i will just go with Iraggi... Do you guys think i need that much idel output for 3000-3500 watts again. I would be much easier and cheaper to get the Iraggi one, but i you guys think i nned more power, i will do some more reasearch on this one from the local shop and get more inf..

jonathancullen wrote:

240 amps at idle, dang!!!!!!! that would be awesome. wish i could get ahold of one of those since i cant do a dual alternator setup on my car. whats it peak at?

Thats what i said when he told me the specs also... If i need to go to this one i can see if i can get the information and give it to you also.. From my understanding these are custom built and they can achieve almost anything for almost any car. So i will post the info when and if i get the info...

that would be great, cuz the best one i can find is the araggi and its only 115amps at idle, and 180 peak i believe. having an import sucks lol, i cant find anything for my car.

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two 12" cadence TXW-12S, cadence TXA-3002 amplifier, 1990 toyota celica system 10 speakers

imports are easy...you just fab a large case GM alt onto them

if I can do it on a 1st gen CRX a second gen CRX with dual alts and a civic coupe....you can do your car....message me with your car specs and I will see if I can walk you thought it

Always buy the best and most you can afford, becaue who knows what you will want down the road!

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exactly lol!!!! i wanted a 18solox just because no1 has one around here, but there is no way i would be able to fully power the monster. jeff what do you all need? pictures?

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two 12" cadence TXW-12S, cadence TXA-3002 amplifier, 1990 toyota celica system 10 speakers

i would recommend that you go with the bigger alternator it only makes sense and as for cubs there is no competiton go with the best sub ever made jl audio 13w7 and i would go with the slash sereies 1000/1 by jl also. they built that amp especially for this sub, sq and spl is outstandy and smooth, but if your looking for something really loud look at mtx jackhammer now theres a freakin sub

The Jackhammer is not a realistic SPL subwoofer

You can get a lot louder with a lot less power, money, time, and weight

i said it as a joke sorry if u took it as an offense obviously my pick would be the jl setup

i wont be fabricating anything soon, we got a big snow storm and its cold out now. im waiting a couple months and then getting a new job and hopefully i can put a big alternator on it. should be easy since i have a 350 small block sitting in my garage so i know what the brackets look like.

and the mtx jackhammer just moves tons of air, not that loud of a sub.

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two 12" cadence TXW-12S, cadence TXA-3002 amplifier, 1990 toyota celica system 10 speakers

just get another L7 with a kicker zx1500.1

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memfus_boi wrote:

just get another L7 with a kicker zx1500.1

would that be pretty much the same as 2 mtx 9500's with 1500 Rms watts to each, if i had 2 L7's with 1500 Rms

One other thing is that i have a Kicker 750.1 going to my L7, can i hook up the zx1500.1 to it without risking blowing the sub???? cause the ZX750.1 throws out 750 RMS at 2 OHM, which i have my dual 4 OHM sub wiried so it gets 2 OHM also. So basically i can hook up more power to my sub without blowing it??

A single ZX1500.1 on a single 12 L7 is overkill, and I wouldnt reccomend it for daily driving. A single zx1500.1 on 2 l7's would be nice.

We were running (2) 10L7's on a single zx1500.1 at 2 ohm and it was very very impressive for a street setup!

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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
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