iasca, idbl rules
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Topic: iasca, idbl rules
Posted By: wotugot4me
Subject: iasca, idbl rules
Date Posted: January 22, 2007 at 10:59 AM
Hi Ok, this is going to sound like a really dumb question but does it say anywhere in any rule book what counts as an amplifier? Is there a rule to stop someone plugging there subs into a voltage transformer (because it does amplify) of 110v or in europe 230v? With some quick maths you can figure out that 230v = 13225 watts at four ohms (P=ExE/R) at a handy 60hz. Thats 13225 clean watts. Just wondered if anyone had ever tried to pull this off in a competition either legally or cheating???
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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: January 22, 2007 at 1:30 PM
I know in the USACI and DB Drag rules it states that power must be 12 volt in stock style classes and 16v in pro stock or modified classes, I know meca and Iasca have rules similar to this but dont know how they ahve it worded
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Posted By: wotugot4me
Date Posted: January 22, 2007 at 1:35 PM
Yeah, thats what i thought but technically your audio amp is taking 12 volts and outputing sound as ac voltage, and the transformer is taking 12 volts and outputing 110/230 volts so both are technically doing the same job, the audio amp varies frequency whereas the transformer doesnt.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: January 22, 2007 at 1:40 PM
AFAIK there is no requirement that you use any particular type of device as an amplifier, only the power source requirements as Jeff mentioned. So sure, go for it, try your transformer idea. I want to see how you get it to function off a 12VDC battery or alternator source and achieve anything better than standard audio amplifiers can produce.. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: January 22, 2007 at 2:58 PM
But you also have to remember that you will have to feed it a signal becasue in all organizations you can normally only use a tone of 80hz and below
Amplifiers produce not only AC voltage but also AC curent
You can have 110 volts but only have 20 amps of current and not have near as much power as say a ZX1500 Kicker
I know I can get roughly 150 volts with the amp unloded
You also have the issue of the signal you will be outputting....I can just see it on an O scope looking completly square, such as when you clip an amp horribly
This will cause alot of damage to your speakers and likely distruction
I know a few people have tried this and it has not been sucessful at all, I will dig on the USACi and Db Drag fourms and se if I can find it
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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: January 22, 2007 at 4:52 PM
And... a transformer doesn't make power! A transformer converts power. What this means is that in order for you to get your 13kW out of a transformer, you have to put more than that (due to losses inside of the transformer - maybe a few percentage points) into the transformer.
13kW/14.4v=902A
Now, for 14.4v to demand 902A, the primary side of the transformer must have a DC resistance of 14.4/902=.016 ohms. Good luck connecting that to ANY kind of signal producer or generating device.
So, you see, it simply is NOT going to happen with a transformer. EVEN IF you were going to drive your transformer with a (let's say) 100W amplifier, you will never get MORE than 100 watts out of the secondary side. The voltage WOULD be higher, but the current available would never be capable of maintaining that voltage - it (the voltage) would drop drastically, as soon as you connected your load (a 4 ohm speaker, right?) to it. You would still ONLY GET 100W out, into the speaker (minus transformer losses...)
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Posted By: wotugot4me
Date Posted: January 23, 2007 at 9:50 AM
I never planned on trying it, just curious to see if anyone had or what the science behind it working or not working would be, what made me wonder was seeing someone plug a 15" sub into the mains outlet at the wall and seeing the sub go mental. Would the power to the sub be limited to the power of the transformer eg. a 200w transformer would not put out more then 200w?
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