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components picking up engine noise

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
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Topic: components picking up engine noise

Posted By: rooskie
Subject: components picking up engine noise
Date Posted: January 24, 2007 at 1:56 AM

I recently installed some polk db series components. I've never had a problem with the feedback, or electronic noise like this until I amped the speakers. I understand plugs without radio protection could do this but mine have an "R" which rules that out. I've also been told speaker wires crossing paths with amp power or other accessory power sources may cause this. One other theory is amp is too close to the grounding point. I've moved the amp from under the driver seat, to the trunk where the sub amp is. I am not a professional installer nor do I have much experience, but I do love music and clarity is a must. None of which is enjoyable with a humming that follows rpms. Please any advice on what to do?? I have resorted to turning the deck off and cruising with the bland road noise lol. I know many of you proffesionals can relate to complaints, I just couldn't find any posts to pick advice out of. Help please.   

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Andrew



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Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: January 24, 2007 at 2:58 AM

Do a search on alternator whine. What is the chance you have a Pioneer cd player? If so do a search on Pioneer noise issues. What you have is a ground loop, not wires crossed over, not amp too close to a grounding point, no plugs without radio protection, just a difference in ground potentials that manifests itslelf as noise in your system.



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: January 24, 2007 at 7:15 AM
Are you using a pioneer deck?




Posted By: rooskie
Date Posted: January 24, 2007 at 9:37 AM
Ya I'm using pioneer, a cheap one at that. Should I just save myself some trouble and switch brands all together, maybe alpine or eclipse?

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Andrew




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: January 24, 2007 at 11:02 AM
10:1 that a new deck fixes your alternator noise.

Also, to clear up a few misconceptions I think you may have:

1: Resistor plugs (the "R" type) will ONLY help on radio noise, they will have no effect whatsoever on CD playback.
2: Speaker wires can cross ANY WIRE IN THE CAR, and there is zero chance of them picking up noise. ZERO. (There has even been fairly heated debates on this very forum as to whether even RCA's running parallel with a power cable can induce noise, let alone crossing one.)
3: There is no such thing as "too close to a grounding point". I have (in the past, mind you, not anymore) actually grounded RIGHT TO the amplifier's mounting screw. Never any noise issues. Generally speaking, the shorter the ground cable, the better.

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Posted By: throwback2332
Date Posted: January 25, 2007 at 1:22 AM
I have had problems with pioneer head units, cd player and nav units. But i love PIONEER!!!!
Try these tips: Run a ground wire 16-12 guage from your headunit to the amp ground, try grounding the rca ground to headunit or frame, BE CAREFUL don't all the way through just skim the outside cover. There are a few ground loop isolators out also. Don't try rerunning your wires just yet, 1 out about 100 times do you get noise from your rca, speaker wires and power wires crossing. Remember some cars have noise and some don't

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Posted By: oman76
Date Posted: January 25, 2007 at 5:34 PM
I just went through this myself. But my deck is an old Sony ES CDX-C7850. To make a long story short I ended up running a power line from the battery to the deck and grounding to the car directly. This worked for me, hopefully it wil work for you. Don't forget to put a fuse on the new power line. 

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Posted By: ihkili18
Date Posted: January 26, 2007 at 1:22 AM
I know this might sound weird but if you are installing amps as well it shouldn't be a prob. Try running a power wire for your cd deck directly to the battery. then ground to a bolt near your radio dont use the factory harness ground. I have seen this fix the prob





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