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Topic: which 15" sub is best?

Posted By: lilj2343
Subject: which 15" sub is best?
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 8:40 PM

ok.... so i had an audiobahn alum15n that i recently blew so i'm looking to upgrade now. i have a total mobile t500.1 amplifier running 500 rms and a probox super bass 15" enclosure, and i'm wanting to continue use of both of these items.... so the question is, what 15" sub should i go with to get the hardest hitting base i can out of my car, which is a 2000 pontiac grand prix... I've been looking at a JL audio 15x3v2, which is kinda outta my price range.... a alpine type R.... Orion H2... Power acoustic FUBAR or their MOFO sub... and also the kicker CVX.... so i need help now... what do ya'll think that i should do????? also thinking about maybe MTX or rockford..... just can't decide



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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 8:53 PM
oh yeah..... and i kinda have a limit of about $250 right now




Posted By: painstaller
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 8:55 PM
In my opinion Type R, its a clean sub with awesome low bass. I think you would be happy.




Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 8:57 PM
And a note for any other new people out there.... NEVER GET AUDIOBAHN PRODUCTS.... I RAN THIS SUB AT HALF ITS RATED RMS WATTAGE AND HERE IT IS A WEEK LATER AND THE SPIDER IS COMPLETELY BLOWN AND THE MAGNET IS FRIED....... DON'T WASTE THE MONEY!!!!!!




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 9:08 PM

Answers to questions like these will lead to people giving thier opinions but ...that will not nessecarily mean it  is "best" for you. What sounds good to one person may not to another and there are other considerations such as the subwoofers primary purpose..ie: SPL, sound quailty, type of music etc..

Try to listen to different brands and models and see which one you think is best..that will be the best for you. However reliability is also a consideration..but I find plenty of opinion there too which can make your decision tricky by strictly basing it on someone elses experience. In other words I often find one person will tell me a particular sub is crap...and then someone else will say the same sub has lasted them for years and still kicks butt.

As a rule of thumb and assuming the ratings are honest on the product if you use a woofer in which its RMS rating is equal to or greater then the amps RMS rating you should be safe. This of course assumes a proper enclosure for the sub (sealed/vented/bandpass), proper air space, well constructed and the amp gains set correctly as well. Most of us know that improper gain settings is a major cause of blown subs. A common misconception is that cranking the gains makes the amp more powerful. If this was true why would the amp manufacturers even put a gain control? Keep that in mind.

Best of luck and let us know what you decided on. 



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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 9:14 PM
master5... thanks for that input.... but in your opinion which do u think would be good... all i really want is something that will last a little while and give me some good thump... i've heard a lot about the alpine and JL, but not much about any of the others. and i was kind of looking for input from others that may have heard these subs in action and can vouch for which one delivers what i want....... thanks again




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 9:37 PM
Master, haven't seen you around here in a while.

lilj, how was your gain and boost set???

I looked up Total Mobile Audio's specs on their amps and they are rated at 14.5 volts...this is so they can claim higher numbers. I know some people with Audiobahn subs that are pushing close to rated power handling and the subs are doing fine...if the power is clean the sub will last longer.

You may be been clipping the amp to get more power out of it and that may have caused the sub to fail....maybe




Posted By: painstaller
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 9:42 PM
Master makes an extremely good point. The reason for my recomending the Type R is strickily its the best in my opinion. I love my music and have been installing for about 9 years, I use to be into the spl setups but as I've gotten older i look more to clarity, depth, and balance thats why I love alpine. Don't get me wrong, setup the right way Type R's can be a huge spl sub as well. Good luck with your searching let us know what you decide.




Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 10:05 PM
that total mobile amp makes plenty of power.

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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 10:14 PM
i had the amp gains and boost set up by the master installer at the shop i'm getting ready to work at so i'm confident that they were done right for the sub...... the thing i found with the sub is that the spider and coil have come unglued and i can't get to it to glue back.... so technically it's not blown.... just un-fixable with my lack of experience




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 10:52 PM
ok...so problem is maybe due to crappy sub syndrome lol




Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 07, 2007 at 11:50 PM
thats what i was thinking to..... i know audiobahn is low grade by some standards... but less than a month and it's gone????? wth




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: February 08, 2007 at 9:48 AM

Hey azn..yeah I have been extremely busy so not really on here that much anymore..but should be once the Fios is set up at the place I am staying at so I can go online at night. Right now I only go online at work so thats why you don't see me as much.

Anyhoo... I am a JL audio sub fan. To me they sound the "best" for the type of listening I do..which is basically everything..I do listen to some bassy music at times but am not a bass head. I find the JL's reproduce the bass very accuratly and are loud as well. As far as reliabilty I had a JL10w6 working for 10 years and it still actually plays...just that the surround has started breaking up but this is simply from age. I could techically recone it but not a big fan of that..Rather buy a new JL since 10 years is long enough.



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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 08, 2007 at 1:22 PM
any of you guys got background with power acoustik???? I'm looking at a Power Acoustik MOFO 15 right now and it seems like what i'm looking for.
Its specs are:

2600 watts peak / 1500 RMS
340 oz. magnet
4" BASV / Kapton Hybrid 18 AWG Voice Coil
SPL 92 Db
Dual 2 ohm voice coil
Dual Conex Spider

I found it on e-bay for 200.00 but I've also seen it on other sites and still haven't seen anything as far as reviews for it..... if you can help me out, please do!!




Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: February 08, 2007 at 1:35 PM
Did you not learn your lesson with the Audiobahn? 'Nuff said.

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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 08, 2007 at 10:20 PM
well.... i also just found a PPI Precision Power 15 DCX 154 that i'm interested in..... know anything about them??? I'm between the PPI and the Alpine right now..... can't decide




Posted By: kicker guy
Date Posted: February 09, 2007 at 9:30 AM

The type R will not disapoint you





Posted By: dohckiller808
Date Posted: February 10, 2007 at 4:23 AM

500 rms aint much to push 15s. you might of under powered the last to blow it. try finding a sub that handles lower power. the type r is a good sub but you need quite a bit of power to wake her up.

in all honesty with your power i would just go with a pair of rockford P2. it RMS at 250 each where youll be in the range of where the speaker will work corectly. 



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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 10, 2007 at 10:00 AM
I hate Rockford Punch series subs...they are overpriced for thr crap you get...the cones on them are crap...weak brittle plastic




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: February 10, 2007 at 12:38 PM

honestly I wouldn't worry about "underpowering" a sub. I also thought this at one time but in reality and all laws of physics this is simply impossible. I even did my own experiment and ran a sub hard on a tiny little amp and cranked it for hours. It sounded fine most of the time but eventually the amp is what actually burned out, This is an extreme example but I can tell you the sub is still in perfect condition....why you may ask?  Because the amp did not have enough power to blow it.

So the moral is be more concerned with overpowering a sub if you want reliability. Also as you already know gains that are misadjusted will blow subs just as abuse will. Get a decent sub and enjoy..stay away from el cheapo flea market whored out stuff.



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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 10, 2007 at 1:30 PM
i'm going with the alpine type r 15 that has the dual 4 ohm voice coils.... according to alpine its a 750 RMS sub..... so i'm thinkin my amp will push it fine..... thanks for the input everyone




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 10, 2007 at 3:48 PM
Those Type R's can handle more than rated power if the the signal is clean...the 15 can handle 1000 watts easily




Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 10, 2007 at 7:01 PM
i'm looking into buying another TMA 500.1 like the one i already have so i'm happy to hear that because i was planning on running it using both amps.....




Posted By: t-roy81
Date Posted: February 13, 2007 at 10:04 AM
i'm not sure if you can find it for 250 but i'm sure you could find a used one but the audioque HD3 is a monster if you could get it i'm pretty sure you'd be happy

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Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 13, 2007 at 7:22 PM
any idea what web site offers it t-roy???




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 13, 2007 at 8:02 PM
Here is the Audique HD#

https://www.audioque.com/aq/HDSeries.htm





Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 14, 2007 at 8:09 PM
i checked that site out, but couldn't find where to purchase or even the price.... any suggestions???




Posted By: pumascr21
Date Posted: February 14, 2007 at 9:39 PM
Although those all sound good with that amp and having the probox setup it might sound a little weird because not many people give them a try but the Lanzar Optidrive would more than definatly sound better than all those with that amp and box

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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 14, 2007 at 11:47 PM
lilj2343 wrote:

i checked that site out, but couldn't find where to purchase or even the price.... any suggestions???


lol just click "products"

Then second to bottom is "order form"


Here it is for you




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: February 15, 2007 at 3:17 AM
pumascr21 wrote:

Although those all sound good with that amp and having the probox setup it might sound a little weird because not many people give them a try but the Lanzar Optidrive would more than definatly sound better than all those with that amp and box



Did you just say an Lanzar sub would be better in any way then an audioque?     Please turn around and go back to your dreams of audiobahn and 2000 DB levels!

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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: February 15, 2007 at 3:17 AM
pumascr21 wrote:

Although those all sound good with that amp and having the probox setup it might sound a little weird because not many people give them a try but the Lanzar Optidrive would more than definatly sound better than all those with that amp and box



Did you just say an Lanzar sub would be better in any way then an audioque?     Please turn around and go back to your dreams of audiobahn and 2000 DB levels!

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2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: TeddyKGB
Date Posted: February 16, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Id AudioQue affiliated with didgital designs? The heavy duty series looks very similiar to the 3500 series. Or is it just simply a similiar design?

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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: February 16, 2007 at 9:04 PM
Yes they are, they are kinda the poor mans DD.   little less expensive little less spent on parts but still a ver very strong sub!

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2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: gus738
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 1:44 AM

kicker makes great subs ^-^  cvx  or comps or L series they are all great  and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?





Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 3:52 AM
gus738 wrote:

kicker makes great subs ^-^  cvx  or comps or L series they are all great  and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?





You would chose the 2 or 4 ohm woofers based on what amp you are running and what final load you are trying to accomplish.



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2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 10:52 AM
gus738 wrote:

kicker makes great subs ^-^ cvx or comps or L series they are all great and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?




2 ohm coils are any better than 4 ohm coils




Posted By: gus738
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 1:15 PM

jeffchilcott wrote:

gus738 wrote:

kicker makes great subs ^-^  cvx  or comps or L series they are all great  and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?




You would chose the 2 or 4 ohm woofers based on what amp you are running and what final load you are trying to accomplish.


  all amps hit better rms when its the lower the ohm number so why would you want to put  a higher ohm load? just to need more amp power? phew thats not smart

aznboi3644 wrote:

gus738 wrote:

kicker makes great subs ^-^ cvx or comps or L series they are all great and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?




2 ohm coils are any better than 4 ohm coils
  exactly




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 3:43 PM
gus738 wrote:

jeffchilcott wrote:

gus738 wrote:

kicker makes great subs ^-^  cvx  or comps or L series they are all great  and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?





You would chose the 2 or 4 ohm woofers based on what amp you are running and what final load you are trying to accomplish.


  all amps hit better rms when its the lower the ohm number so why would you want to put  a higher ohm load? just to need more amp power? phew thats not smart



aznboi3644 wrote:

gus738 wrote:

kicker makes great subs ^-^ cvx or comps or L series they are all great and btw why would you get a 4 ohm series subs when theirs 2 ohm?




2 ohm coils are any better than 4 ohm coils
  exactly





GUS you have alot to learn.....He meant 2 ohm is not always better then 4 ohm   If you have an amp that will not hanlde a low impedance load you will likely burn up the amplifier.

Do not spread wrong information on this fourm, I know plenty about getting power from an amp, The way I run equpiment is highly unsafe and would likely kill equipment in most situations

If you have a 2 ohm stable amp then a dual 4 ohm sub would be the best combination for that amp.

Please do your research before posting comments

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2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 4:20 PM

you mean some ohms are not better then other ohms??  is less ohms better..or more ohm speakers the best...or less ohms? My friend has 2ohm and he says it's better then my 4ohms...so I got 8 ohms now...is that better??

Kidding...but that is about what this post has turned into...lol.....wat up azn??



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Posted By: gus738
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 4:51 PM

sorry master5 to jumping but to jeff well if you have a 2 stable amp and have 2 ohm subs  thats the best combo cuz it will give 'em the power they require because the amp is rated power on the ohm specified , if the user does what you mentioned 2 ohm amp > 4 ohm sub then the dang sub isnt getting the power it really could of gotten from the 2 ohms...  its ike this say both me and my friend have the exact set up he has a 4 ohm  2 12''s l5s and i have the same ones(same amp too) mine will sound louder because the amount of power the amp is sending via 2 ohm as aposed to 4 ohm .... from there is just common sense to not over power the subs ,





Posted By: racerx22
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 5:10 PM
I got 2 kicker 15" comp vrs if ya wanna buy them




Posted By: gus738
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 5:34 PM
whats your price? subs only or with box????




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 8:43 PM
master5 wrote:

you mean some ohms are not better then other ohms?? is less ohms better..or more ohm speakers the best...or less ohms? My friend has 2ohm and he says it's better then my 4ohms...so I got 8 ohms now...is that better??


Kidding...but that is about what this post has turned into...lol.....wat up azn??




My screw up....I meant 2 ohm subs ARE NOT any better than 4 ohms.

Gus the way you are seeing this is sub and amp matching....but what the dispute is over is just the impedance of the speakers...not the capabilities of amps.

This is going off topic I know.

But master...nothing man, chilling lol...we got 3 inches of snow...drifting baby




Posted By: gus738
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 9:52 PM
well thats the point dude lol its like ok i want to buy a zx1500.1 to power up the 06ds12l5 -2 or/4  i buy the 4 ohm load and that 1500.1 wont cut it!!! so i would need 2 zx1500.1 and im still missing watts to fully power the subs , when insted i buy the 06ds12l52 and the zx1500.1 will be perfect makes more sense to me because it will be powerd enough therefore better ,  but yea to the guy that said he'll sell subs how much ? and is the enclosure included? maybe i get better deals lol




Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 10:43 PM
well.... back on the topic... any opinions on cerwin vega????? i've had them before and they did pretty good for a long time, and from what i hear they still bump, even though i sold them......i'm also looking into a kicker CVX 15.....what makes that such a good sub???




Posted By: racerx22
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 10:49 PM
125 a piece. 300 plus shiping for 2 of them in a box...Its heavy all 3/4" mdf




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 17, 2007 at 11:00 PM
CVX's are good...subs

What makes them good subs?? Um...my guess is because Kicker, who is an awesome company and makes excellent products, is the manufacturer of the sub...it gets loud, handles rated power, it works




Posted By: lilj2343
Date Posted: February 18, 2007 at 7:44 PM
what about the cerwin vega v max 15???




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: February 19, 2007 at 2:02 AM
They are good also...but not the bets. I'd take CVX's over them any day




Posted By: racerx22
Date Posted: February 19, 2007 at 10:03 AM
they r really loud. Kicker is among the top.




Posted By: master5
Date Posted: February 19, 2007 at 2:54 PM

Hey azn..I am up in NY now..we didn't get much snow...we got ICE...I had to chisel my doors open..lol

TTYL



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