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whats up guy's i am wondering about something . i want to put 8- 12" subs in my 2000 z71 tahoe and i was wondering to either get new pioneer premier champion dvc4 subs or the kicker cvr dvc4, which do you think is a better quality of sub? I am planning on running two punch 1500 -2ohm stable amps on them - and how should i make the box ported or what ? help me decide give me some idea's . i recently did 8-10" ma audio dvc4 subs in a ported box with every two subs sharing a chamber and i was very notorious with just one of the punch amps so i have to step it up a notch i just dont wanna keep building boxes for the 12s cause i know its gonna be hugh but i wanna do it right the first time or two.. i plan on doing some spl competition this summer help me decide !!!!

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Ram Customs

These kind of post questions are pretty much based on opinion, which like experience...can differ greatly. But in my opinion......

I would use the kickers, ported, every 2 subs sharing a chamber...if it's spl your after that should pretty much do it..

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Thanks cause thats what i am leaning to but i am open to opinions

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Ram Customs

depends on how much space you want to give the subs for a box.

I'm guessing both of your amps are 500 watts rms at 2 ohms...that 1500 watt is a peak rating and means nothing

Why not just go with 2 subs and a decent amount of power. Bigger is not always better.

Most local shows I go to I could walk al over everyone with a pair of 10 inch l7's

I would step back and decide what your going for

The shock and awe of 8 subs

The loudness you need for comps

or the street ablilty to pound like mad!

Once you decide on that it would help alot with some suggestions from me!

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yes---I agree with that

I would go with half that number of subs

proper size and tuned ported enclosure

and still use the 2 amps

keep in mind that generally you will gain about 3 db for each sub added- but

that is considering all things are the same including the amp power.

I have experience with the premier subs but I assume the kickers very similar

you wont properly power more than 2 of those subs off 1 of those amps

for your app.

g/l

post pics when its done

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Sometimes less is more....and sometimes more is more..there are several factors to consider.

...either use DVC2's or switch to 1ohm stable amps if you want to use 8 subs and get the most out of it...or cut the amount of subs in half as suggested above but double your power....tough call-six of one...half dozen of another.(or in this case 8...jk) But in reality 4 subs will be an easier build and fit..and should be plenty if done right..as can 2 subs as well

Then again there is the visual wow factor to boatloads of subs...personally...I use 1- 10'' in a ported enclosure and am plenty happy.....once again..opinion...but if I was going for SPL competition...I can't see how more of anything can hurt IF done correctly.

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Brianas wrote:

yes---I agree with that

I would go with half that number of subs

proper size and tuned ported enclosure

and still use the 2 amps

keep in mind that generally you will gain about 3 db for each sub added- but

that is considering all things are the same including the amp power.

I have experience with the premier subs but I assume the kickers very similar

you wont properly power more than 2 of those subs off 1 of those amps

for your app.

g/l

post pics when its done

actually theory is doubling woofer area yields an increase of 3dbs.

and doubling power yields an increase of 3dbs.

if adding one driver everytime increased spl by 3 decibles than i would be able to hold the world record and it would be way higher than 180.3 decibles

Jeff goes with Kicker. Go with Kicker.

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yes

I was just hinting that you cant expect a 3db gain

if you cut your amp power in half

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From everything I ever heard as well...doubling of power = 3db gain...doubling the # of subs = 3db gain. This is on "paper" keep in mind..many other factors can effect output as well.

Another tidbid....10db gain = twice as loud.....so you can see as the number of subs and amount of power go up..it gets exponentially more difficult to achieve gains.

A reason to respect SPL winners...it wasn't luck if they are consistantly winning.

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Brianas wrote:

yes

I was just hinting that you cant expect a 3db gain

if you cut your amp power in half

understandable...but you weren't really hinting...you outright said in general a 3db gain is had with adding one woofer...sorry if I sound offensive but think before typing...one shouldn't go spreading false information.

azn maybe you should actually read my 1st post

all the way thru before making coments --

Im only trying to help --no need for wise remarks

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ok my bad...i reread that...it just confused me a lil bit at first.

my apologies

Ok thanks for all of your suggestion i am thinking about lowing the number to six subs and i was definitly doing two sub amps cause i dont just wanna be satisfied, when i want to i like to have power when i wanna hear it every now and again but every day nice low bass effect.

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Ram Customs

You're getting warmer..however you still won't be utilizing the most power if you stick with the DVC4's and the pair of 2ohm stable amps.

If you use series/parallel/parallel you have a final load of 2.66 ohms....you want a minimum of 4ohms to bridge those amps or expect overheating. (remember the 2ohm rating is stereo...not bridged mono)

If you use parallel/series/parallel you will be at 6ohms ..this would work safely but if you are really looking for the most output from those amps you should be at 4ohm final load per bridged amp.

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yea you right i forgot for a sec that it is 2 ohm so i am going to get either a couple of kicker 1200.1 or the mtx 1501 so that i will be playing at 1ohm thanks alot i am going to keep you posted on what happens i am getting everything sat,. morning

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