list of stay away to competition

I was cruising around online and found this list... Thought I would move it over so people here could comment...


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HU = Head Units
A = Amps
SW = Subs
Sp = Mids/Highs
M = Multimedia
All = Entire Line

Stay Away

American Pro (All)
Audiobank (All)
Blackmore Mobile Electronics (All)
Blitz (All)
DHD (All)
Diesel Audio (All)
Kenford (All)
Kole Audio (All)
Legacy (All)
Majestic (All)
Performance Teknique (All)
Phase Linear (All)
Pyle (All)
Pyramid (All)
Rockwood (All)
Sherwood (All)
SPL (all)
Solid Audio (All)
Sound Storm (All)
Street Edge (All)
Ultra Linear (All)
XFile Audio (All)


Entry Level

Alphasonik (All)
Alto Mobile USA (All)
Alumapro (All)
Ample Audio (All)
Audiobahn (All)
Audiopipe (All)
Audiovox (All)
Autotek "SS Series" (All)
Bazooka (All)
Blaupunkt (All)
Boss (All)
Bostwick (All)
Cadence ("All" tough decision just shy of high quality)
Cerwin Vega ("All" except Strokers which go in Comp')
Clarion (A, SW, Sp)
Clif Designs (All)
Concept (All)
Coustic (All)
Crossfire "P Series" (SW)
Crunch (All)
Cutting Edge Audio (All)
DB Drive (All)
Diablo Audio (All)
Digital Audio (All)
Dual (All)
Dub Mag Audio (All)
Elevation Audio ("All" except EX Series (SW) which go in Comp)
Emerson (All)
Harrison Labs (All)
Hifonics "Zues Series and lower" (All)
Hollywood Sound Intl. Corp (All)
Infinity (All)
Interfire (All)
JBL ("All" except ??? Series which go in Comp')
Jensen (All)
JVC (All)
Kenwood ("All" except Excelon series which go in HQ)
Kicker "Comp/Comp VR" (SW) "RS Series and under" (Sp)
Kove Audio (All)
Lanzar ("All' except Opti Drive series which go in HQ)
Lightning Audio (All)
MA Audio ("All" except larger/upper model HK Series amps which go in HQ)
Matrxx Audio (All)
MB Quart (SW)
Memphis "PR Series" (All)
MTX ("All" except 9500 Series (SW) which go in HQ)
Niche Audio (All)
Phoenix Gold (SW)
Pioneer (SW,Sp,A)
Planet Audio (All)
Polk Audio (All)
Power Acoustik (All)
Powerbase (All)
Profile (All)
Rockford Fosgate ("All" except Power Series which go in HQ)
Sanyo (All)
Scosche (All)
Sony (All)
SoundStream (All)
Swiss Audio (All)
US Acoustics (All)
Visonik (All)
Xsite (All)


High Quality

A/D/S/ (All)
Adire Audio (All)
Alpine (All)
American Bass (All)
Ascendant Audio (All)
AudioControl (All)
Audison (All)
Avionixx (All)
Boston Acoustics (All)
Brax (All)
CDT Audio (All)
Clarion (HU, M)
Critical Mass (All)
Crossfire "W Series" (SW) "VR Series" (A)
Crystal (All)
Diamond Audio (All)
Directed (All)
DLS (All)
Dynaudio (All)
Earthquake (All)
Elemental Designs (All)
Eclipse (All)
Focal (All)
Fusion (All)
Genesis (All)
Helix (All)
Hifonics "Brutus Series" (All)
Image Dynamics (All)
Incriminator Audio (All)
JL Audio ("All" except lower W series (SW) which go in Entry)
Kenwood "Excelon series" (All)
Kicker "KX/SX Series" (A) "L5/L7" (SW) "SS Series" (Sp)
Lanzar "Opti Drive" (A)
MA Audio "HK2000/HK4000" (A)
Massive Audio (All)
MB Quart (Sp)
McIntosh (All)
Memphis (MC Series) (All)
Milbert (All)
Morel (All)
MTX "9500 Series" (SW)
Nakamichi (All)
Orion (A,SW,Sp)
OZ Audio (All)
PHD Audiophile Sound System (All)
Phase Evolution (All)
Phoenix Gold (A)
Pioneer (HU,M)
Powerbass USA (All)
Precision Power (All)
QAS (All)
RE Audio ("All" except MT Series (SW) which go in Comp)
Rockford Fosgate "Power Series" (SW,A)
Seas Lotus (All)
Sinfoni (All)
Treo Engineering (All)
TRU Technology (All)
Tube Driver Blue (All)
US Amps (All)
Xtant (All)
Zapco (All)

Competition

Alpine F1 (All)
Atomic (SW,A)
Autotek "MM Series" (All)
Cerwin Vega "Stroker" (SW)
Digital Designs (All)
Elevation Audio EX Series (SW)
Hifonics "XX Series" (All)
JBL "JBL/Crown Series" (A) "G TI Series" (SW)
Kicker "Solo X" (SW)
MMats Professional Audio (All)
MTX RFL (SW)
Pioneer TS-W5000SPL (SW)
Rainbow (All)
RE Audio "MT Series" (SW)
Team RF (SW)

I agree 93%. Some stuff is out of place.

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David Fancher
USACi World Finals 2006
4th Place SQ PRO 601+

i would love to see other peoples list's or even stuff people would like to see edited in my list... thanks...

i was thinking today that the list needs to be broken down more... like its hard to say all alpine stuff is competition, that is just not true... it is also hard to say all sony or clif designs are entry level... all companies make low-mid and hi grade equipment.

I don't agree with the entry level dual. I think for the price, if your not looking for anything special and throwing it in the junker then dual is perfect. Low price, lots of features.

kassdog wrote:

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I don't agree with the entry level dual. I think for the price, if your not looking for anything special and throwing it in the junker then dual is perfect. Low price, lots of features.

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I think you just described entry level...

Cerwin Vega "Stroker" (SW)

Elevation Audio EX Series (SW)

I havent seen either one of these used in a competition setup...The strokers had thier days in the late 90's     but that was then, this is now!

The Kicker L5/L7's should be moved into the competition feild as well, as thats what myself, all my teammates, and about 90% of the 1-3rd place finishes were using at Usaci world finals


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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place

did you use kicker amps as well? are we talking spl or all around... ? what did you have in the front end? more kicker stuff or?

Yes I run Kicker amps as well.    I have all kicker in my car, but run only in SPL as well as my team mates

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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place

And you and your team do an exceptional job at promoting the loudest sport on earth Jeff!!

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David Fancher
USACi World Finals 2006
4th Place SQ PRO 601+

I'll go 75% accurate. I would move more to the "stay away" list. A few more catagories would be helpful.

Entry level.....SoundStream (All)

Maybe for the newer stuff but NOT the older stuff....

That list is just "entry level".....

Being an AltoMobile user, and a STAUNCH supporter of the company and the products, I MUST wholeheartedly disagree with the placement of the Alto products under "Entry Level". An 800 dollar processor, with more advanced features than you can shake a stick at, does NOT constitute "Entry Level" in my book.

I am referring specifically to the UCSPro. 2 input, 6 output, 1, 2, or 3 way crossover, (in stereo mode) up to 48dB/octave, (with crossover TYPE selectivity - Butterworth, Bessel, etc., and in mono mode, can be used up to 6 ways!) TRUE 31 band parametric equalization, (frequency, Q, and gain...) time delay, noise gate, input ganging, output ganging, I/O gain controls, (by individual channels), 20 bit A-D conversion, 24 bit D/A conversion, 106 dB S/N ratio... There is literally an 80486 166MHz computer processor on the control board to do all of this stuff, in REAL-TIME. Uh, huh... THAT'S entry level... I don't know where this list originated, but they need to re-evaluate their criteria, if THAT piece only makes "Entry Level". I might add that the rest of the product line also excels in nearly every category I have ever seen them in. Their line of Class D amps are FANTASTIC sounding products, based on the (I think...) TriPath amplifier modules. With switching frequencies above 500kHz, they sound anything BUT digital...

Those are specifications and capabilities I would expect to see in UPPER high-end grouped equipment. "Competition" means nothing to me, ANYTHING can be taken to "competition"...

Ummm... I'm'a go take a Valium...

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

I didnt see the JL Audio W7 series in the competion, how can anyone over look the W7 class?

The W7 had its day of glory, anymore its almost rare to see int he SQ lanes, and even more rare to see in the SPL lanes

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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place

C'mon, i think thats an understatement, Your talkin down on the W7, have you lookedat the Competion section of the list? The W7 outperforms that whole list almost, maybe you havent heard one in the right box.

haemphyst wrote: 'ANYTHING can be taken to "competition"...'

I agree completely. You can go cheap on amps (as long as the Real rms ratings are used for classification), but as for woofers you need emaculate box designs for cheapos in order to get sound from them. You can use crap amps, crap woofers just need to be thought-out more.

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2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
DDX470HD GTO14001 GTO1014D (x3)
Big3 in 1/0G
1/0G to GTO14001

On that list the Alpine F1, Digital Designs, Jbl/Crown, Rainbow would all put the Jl W7 to shame, in both the SPL and SQ competition scene.    The Alpine and Rainbow wouldnt be used In SPL.    But I have judged many systems last year in which DD, Alpine, Kicker, JBL all walked away with a better score then JL could pull off.   Maybe it just me, but the $600-$800 price tag on a woofer not the best deal in my mind, and not all that impressive.

Maybe you right thought, the roughly 10-15 setups I have heard this year in the SQ lanes using JL w7's were all designed poorly.

In my eyes, I would take The JBL GTI, FI BTL, or FiQ lines, DD 9512, Alpine F1, Kicker CVX, RE MX, or many other brands "superwoofer" over a JL W7 anyday.     I have owned both the W6v2 and W7 lines, and expermented with both of them, but was never stasified with the sound I recieved for the money I spent.

Just my $.02

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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place

I'm glad you said that about the GTi's Jeff... I'm getting a pair of 10's given to me. I am wondering how they will do vs the TC1000's in SQ... Anybody have input on that?

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

samuelsteven wrote:

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C'mon, i think thats an understatement, Your talkin down on the W7, have you lookedat the Competion section of the list? The W7 outperforms that whole list almost, maybe you havent heard one in the right box.

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Te W7 "out performs" almost the whole comp. list!!?? Did I read that right. Lets see... W7/RE MT line?? W7/ Focal? I don't think I understand?

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David Fancher
USACi World Finals 2006
4th Place SQ PRO 601+

i realized today that i did not add Image Dynamics to this list... I would think they would be pretty hi up maybe in comp/???