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Hello all,
i am just curious to know, i have a 95 honda civic and i am upgrading the speakers.. and on the front door panel i have a tweeter( i believe 3/4, dont quote me on that) and a 6' 1/2 inch speaker.. I was wondering what would be a good component kit to use, and where is a good place to get one.. or is it better to not get a component kit?? i just trying to get a feel on what would sound better, btw its going to a 4 channel amp.

Thanks

Shop from one of the CDN dealers is a good place to start. In your Civic, a 6.5" standard size speaker is all that will fit without major modifications to the door panel. Most component type speakers are a 6.75" or oversize woofer and will not fit in this application. Alot of people use 5.25" oversize components in this car as well. What lengths are you willing to go to for installation?

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hmm alrighti will give it a shott.. haha i dont mind modifying, i want the best sound
clarity is what im aiming for

I know I am going to take a hit on this but the brand of speakers are not nearly as important as the placement of them. On that note I only run Focal Components and I run individual amps per pair of drivers so I only run one amp for the Highs, one for my Mids, and One for my Subs, this makes it easier to adjust my crossover points since I run a RANE AC23.

this is a whole can of worms.
speakers/install/amplifier/HU all will go hand-in-hand to equal SQ

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Hmmm
anyone know of any good placess?? or brands???

italian_virus wrote:

Hmmm
anyone know of any good placess?? or brands???

As close to being equal distance as possible to the driver and passenger. Basically as far forward as possible, in my CRX as I used to compete in PRO SQ class I had the right and left stage about 5" off from either the passenger side or drivers side. Try to aim them at the center of the rear window and go in the kicks.

Good brands (this is all opinion)

Focal, Dynaudio, Brax, McIntosh, Mb Quart. Many others but those are my favorites in that order.

I think he means a place to get some high quality comps. And particularly what brands from that place are the better deal.

How many watts rms are you going to push to these? Model # of amp would be the best answer... Let us know and these guys can help you out better.

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figuratively speaking yes, 1200W fosgate 4 channel amp
i dont know the model # because i havent picked it up yet, like i said before clarity is important, i want a nice, crisp, clean sound

italian_virus wrote:

like i said before clarity is important, i want a nice, crisp, clean sound

Then good god man why are you getting a Fosgate amp?

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ahahhaha
cause i already have another amp thats fosgate
and 2 caps,
plus its a good deal
cant go wronggg
lol

italian_virus wrote:

ahahhaha
cause i already have another amp thats fosgate
and 2 caps,
plus its a good deal
cant go wronggg
lol

ROFL!

I was wondering why you'd spout some garbage about a RANE32 then yap about a Fosgate amp!

I dunno what this thing is anyway. This is a product designed for the 12v consumer?

https://www.wwbw.com/Rane-AC23-i13146.music?mr:referralID=7760898e-7588-42aa-9ed7-1a26a2688c27

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sedate wrote:

italian_virus wrote:

ahahhaha
cause i already have another amp thats fosgate
and 2 caps,
plus its a good deal
cant go wronggg
lol

ROFL!
I was wondering why you'd spout some garbage about a RANE32 then yap about a Fosgate amp!
I dunno what this thing is anyway. This is a product designed for the 12v consumer?
https://www.wwbw.com/Rane-AC23-i13146.music?mr:referralID=7760898e-7588-42aa-9ed7-1a26a2688c27

? are you half asleep when you wrote that? You dont know what a Rane AC23 X over is?

my Rane AC23 is studio quality pro audio gear that is converted for 12v use? As far as amps are concerned I would bet some serious money that I could win a few SQ competitions with a Fosgate amp and some decent speakers.

Rane makes some pretty respectabel pieces, I just don't think many hear about them all that often. Don' t they offer optical outs some of their models?

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dwarren wrote:

Rane makes some pretty respectabel pieces, I just don't think many hear about them all that often. Don' t they offer optical outs some of their models?

not to sure about some of there new stuff, I have had Rane AC23 and ME30's for about 12+ years. I even had an Alesis MEQ 230 for a while. The Rane equipment took 1/4" jacks but was easy enough to convert over to RCA's with an adapter.

sedate wrote:

italian_virus wrote:

like i said before clarity is important, i want a nice, crisp, clean sound

Then good god man why are you getting a Fosgate amp?

I second that emotion... Fosbreak is NOT where you want to go for a "nice, crisp, clean, sound". PERIOD. Just because you have one for the bass, that DOESN'T mean you have to use one for your highs, as well. Fosgate is one of the LAST "high-end" (and I use the term EXCEPTIONALLY loosely, perhaps "semi-respected" is a better choice, as I have never thought Fosgate qualified for such a moniker) amplifiers I would choose for running components. I have rarely heard WORSE highs from an amplifier... Their slew rate is FAR too slow to be accurate beyond (around) 12 to 15kHz.

Oh, and the Rane piece? WHY? By the time you spend for the QUALITY power supply it will need to provide it CLEAN 60Hz AC power, why wouldn't you simply put a device in designed to run on 12 volts? They DO exist, ya know.

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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."

This is why I love for haemphyst to reply on things, he gives straight up honesty and doesn't hold back!! I triple the Rockford statement, they have continuosly gone downhill over the years. I liked them back in the early to mid '90's but have no use for them now when there are so many quality companies out there that put them to shame. You want clarity, Diamond Audio and Eclipse are two I have used and are hard to beat, and I'm sure there are plenty more out there, probably even better.

tdsteele wrote:

This is why I love for haemphyst to reply on things, he gives straight up honesty and doesn't hold back!! I triple the Rockford statement, they have continuosly gone downhill over the years. I liked them back in the early to mid '90's but have no use for them now when there are so many quality companies out there that put them to shame. You want clarity, Diamond Audio and Eclipse are two I have used and are hard to beat, and I'm sure there are plenty more out there, probably even better.

Best combination of amps and components are what I run, Focal 165 K2P's and My Zapco C2K's. I couldnt be happier with them, this is of course my opinion.

i spoke nothing in terms of RANE32.. lol
haha fair enough gentlemen i take your opinions into consideration. BUT this is my buddies amp, he had it in the car for about a month before his car crapped out on him, he wants 150$, for a 1200W 4 channel amp( i will get the model # by the weekend) money is a little hard to come by so at this present time im not to picky.

HMm so from the input provided.. RANE32, Eclipse, Focal & Diamond are good front component speakers.. the question is anyone know where in the GTA i can get them for a good deal??

Ok Italian, this topic got a little off subject. Rane32 is not speakers so leave that one out. Focals are probably one of the best, and the price of them reflects that. Eclipse does have good sounding ones, as do Diamond, but when I mentioned Eclipse and Diamond, I was refering to there amps. From what I have researched, CDT Audio are great too, and affordable, at least from an online store they are (fixing to order some for my new setup). And I'll ask a dumb question..what is GTA?

AHh thanks tdsteele for clarifying that for me. i had a feeling it was going towards amps when you all started bashin my fosgate lolol
hmm i will check it out thanks..
LOL its okk, GTA= Greater Toronto Area (Canada)

tdsteele wrote:

CDT Audio are great too, and affordable, at least from an online store they are (fixing to order some for my new setup). And I'll ask a dumb question..what is GTA?

Just some conjecture here...

..CDT's speakers are very different sounding from Focal's.

Focal's are bright, accurate... almost to the point of being sterile....although not as sterile as JL or Infinity ...

CDT's have a great sound to them, but it is much warmer and mellower than *any* other speaker brand I've ever heard.

Depending on your musical tastes, you may or may not like CDT, but they are very different. Myself, I've moved away from CDT as I moved into active xovers and cars with goofy clearances, but I have great memories of the Classic series and EuroFrame series componets in my old Toyota. Today I still run a pair of CDT 12's.

I would also think you should take a listen to some of the stuff from Boston Acoustics. I've never gotten some extended time with the Pro series in an actual car, but on a demo board they're probably some of the best speakers I've ever spent time with. The S-series coaxials are flat-out the best sounding coaxials I've ever heard.

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im a JL audio fan myself, never heard a bad set of ZR's

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Personally, my well tuned ears prefer the Morel speakers first and foremost above anything else, especially CDT. Focal are great speakers, a little to bright for my liking. The Eclipse components have been amazing speakers over the years, made by Vifa in Denmark. Not a Morel mind you but a darn respectable speaker. GTA is not close to me but I am one of the only authorized CDN dealers on this site, Jeff being another. Drop me a PM or msn/e-mail to forbidden@telus.net for more info on these speakers.

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forbidden wrote: Morel...Focal...Eclipse(Vifa)

I want to know which of these you mentioned (your platinum status more than convinces me) is generally the least expensive? I figured I could actually build a Vifa component set from Parts Express for less than buying a set.

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Based on current CDN pricing, the Eclipse components would be the cheaper set based on similar types of speakers. Both Focal and Morel have inexpensive speakers as well, perhaps not quite the same calibre as the Eclipse components. In the upper reaches however, the Morel and Focal speakers are most definitely a superior speaker.

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So Forbidden, would you say the Eclipse SC8264 would be better than the Morel Tempo 6 set? And while I'm bugging you for info, how would the Morel Tempo 6C Coaxial match up with the Eclipse set? Sorry I ask so many questions..lol.

Yeah, thanks for everything. But wouldnt building a set of Vifa's with some simple 1st order x-overs be less expensive?

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jmelton86 wrote:

But wouldnt building a set of Vifa's with some simple 1st order x-overs be less expensive

Hmm. forbidden is probably a bit more qualified to answer this, but what the heh.

The xover is really a critical... *critical* componet in the sound and setup of a high quality speaker system. The xover is responsible for not just the seperation of the frequencies, but the fundemental voicing of the speaker system.

Individual drivers from parts express really isn't the way to do what you are trying to do. You'd be much, *much* better off buying any random $150 componet set than using 'simple 1st order xovers' ...

I do applaud your 'out of the box' thinking here, but I would imagine you'd be setting youself up for something that is far less than the products you are trying to emulate.

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What do you guys think of Diamond Audio?

Diamond makes some quality stuff. I've never had their components but I have used their subs and coaxials before, really good I thought. I still run a Diamond amp. I would recommend them if someone wanted to use them.

What about versus Kicker?

I personally don't even think the name Kicker belongs in this thread!!

The only thing that kicker makes that I like are their amp kits.... I've run Boston Comps, eclipse comps, cerwin vega comps, and currently running ma audio. The bostons and eclipse are deffinetly the better of them all, but I can't really complain about the cost of the ma's. I still run an old eclipse 8 volt HU.... It'll take something massive to get me away from that thing...

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