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Topic: may set a new record

Posted By: will_22_82
Subject: may set a new record
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 6:30 PM

I upgraded  further on my system.

added 2 15's 4 more amps one more alternator plus 8 more batteries.

All toll:

6 15 JBl GTI'S

12 4000w memphis mojo amps will push over 5k though

12 1800 amp 16 volt batteries

2 300 amp alternators

regulator for 16 volt and charging system for extra watts

concrete dash, floor and ported box

Should be ready in 2-3 weeks due to install

Don't have a prediction on the dbs, but it will  be huge

Remember Mike bartells had 4 jbl gtis/ 4 6000w amps pushing 8k each vs scott owens has 155,000watts 13 12" pioneer premiere, both hitting close scores




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Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 6:46 PM
I think that'll be really nice. Concrete box? Holy Doodie! -I hope you put as much thought into it as the rest of it all...

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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 7:50 PM
Pictures please.

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 8:59 PM
tcss]P wrote:

ctures please.


posted_image I, too, smell smoke.

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Posted By: rudydapimp
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 9:32 PM
Not a fan of the subs. 800 w rms 5000 peak. Yeah, ok. Why dont you just get 3 apxx 15's or some DD. those can guaranteed take the power. There are videos of an apxx18 taking a 220v wall socket for almost a minute before it went.




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 9:43 PM
What's the question?

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 10:29 PM
i got a pic of the four subs plus the 8 amps. Waiting for the batteries to come in. I am going over tomorrow I will get better pics and upload them tomorrow.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 11:12 PM
i have some old pics before I added more but the file sizes are to big




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 30, 2007 at 11:38 PM
will_22_82, what's your name and where do you compete?  I'd like to see this system.

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Posted By: wormy
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 7:14 AM
Same here.  And what organization(s) are you competing with?

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Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 2:17 PM
me too, me too!!!!!!! pic pics pics.........make sure you have a fire extinguisher...




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 7:12 PM
I competed last year but did not have the right vechile. 4 power series jbl 2 hiphonics brutus 1600w ina 98 cutlass. Kinda sucked only did one contest because I did not want to drive far to get squashed honestly




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 7:25 PM

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I am not competing with anyone, I am sponsered through maximum spl outta ashland, ky though. These pics are older so I don't have the extra 2 subs and four amps. My 12 batteries are not in yet and i have one of the two alternators. We tore the dash out today and are getting ready. The subs and amps should be in later on this week I can get more pics. Everyone that has walked in has been shocked. He has everything together for that reason.





Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 7:27 PM

these amps are rated 4k a piece but -will puish over 5k easy plus the 16 volt charging system on 12 amps you do the math thats over 60k easy





Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: May 31, 2007 at 8:26 PM
KY eh.  Oh well I had hoped you might be on the West Coast somewhere.  Please post up some pics and results from a sanctioned comp.  Cheers!

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Posted By: xtremej
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 7:42 AM
Those amps are retarded nasty, the are retarded hungary also. Good luck and definetly post up  pics as you procedd.




Posted By: jazzcustom131
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 1:30 PM

I wanna see that vidoe of teh sub being plugged into the wall..

will, best of luck, make sure to send us back pics once it's all together



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 2:06 PM
the other subs and amps came in today so now all i am waiting on is the receiver and batteries plus other alternator. My dealer had already plugged one into a wall and it did not pop. don't know how long though, say a minute or so. Gonna frame out the wall today. Will have pics later




Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 2:33 PM

The whole "plugging a speaker into the wall' thing is really tired.  I've said it before and I'll say it again: household wall voltage is 120V @ 60Hz.  Assuming a 4-ohm speaker this is equivalent to 3600 watts.  POS speakers will fry.  Big whoop.



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Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 2:51 PM
One trick Dan Wiggins once told me about that works with some subs is to design the enclosure to where the impedance curve peaks at 60 Hz. This means that there would only be like 50 watts going to the sub in some instances which will run all day long on a wall outlet.




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 5:07 PM
will_22_82 wrote:

I upgraded  further on my system.

added 2 15's 4 more amps one more alternator plus 8 more batteries.

All toll:

6 15 JBl GTI'S

12 4000w memphis mojo amps will push over 5k though

12 1800 amp 16 volt batteries

2 300 amp alternators

regulator for 16 volt and charging system for extra watts

concrete dash, floor and ported box

Should be ready in 2-3 weeks due to install

Don't have a prediction on the dbs, but it will  be huge

Remember Mike bartells had 4 jbl gtis/ 4 6000w amps pushing 8k each vs scott owens has 155,000watts 13 12" pioneer premiere, both hitting close scores


  

I'm not so sure you'll come too close to the record... Is the whole vehicle going to be FULLY reinforced?  A vehicle with the SPL you're setting your eyes on has many many many modifications to handle the extreme pressure and keep the sound IN.  If it is reinforced, like a tank, then we're talkin' .  Good luck!

Oh, by the way... Mr. Scott Owens is my boss and I'm sitting about 20 ft away from the F250. 



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 5:25 PM
yeah it will be totally reinforced




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 5:28 PM
also i didn't say i would but maybe. anything is possible. look at the guy who hit a 155.1 the vids  on another forum. But this score was not official because they could not get the mic to stay still. he used the same mic as scott. if your 20 ft from the truck send some pics so we can check it out. I am sending pics as it is completed. I have the equipment, except I need 12 more batteries though.




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 6:12 PM

What type of glass do you plan on using?  Filler for the panels?  I'm no expert, but 2-3 weeks for a fully reinforced SPL vehicle seems a little quick.  It takes a lot of time to tune it and to fill the panels, etc.  Both Kyle and Scott constantly rebuild the Scion and Ford.  Don't get me wrong, though, I'm excited to see up and coming competitors. 

On the picture note, I'll do ya one better... Here's a link to our webpage.  All the pics ya want.  www.teamedgeaudio.com  There is a picture of our trophy room on our myspace, and a few other show cars.  www.myspace.com/edgeaudio I think it's funny how people are always skeptical.  HAHA!  If you really want concrete proof I can take a picture next to the truck in the back and send it via picture message to your telly. 

One other thing... Scott isn't using 13 woofers any more.  That's all I'm allowed to say so don't ask how many!  Kyle, of course, is using 2.



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 8:36 PM

I know prob. a little longer on the install

also it was a 185.1 but it was unofficial



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 9:14 PM
I seen the 9 12's in his f-250 with the 36 amps




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 10:02 PM
dstang24 wrote:

What type of glass do you plan on using?  Filler for the panels?  I'm no expert, but 2-3 weeks for a fully reinforced SPL vehicle seems a little quick.  It takes a lot of time to tune it and to fill the panels, etc.  Both Kyle and Scott constantly rebuild the Scion and Ford.  Don't get me wrong, though, I'm excited to see up and coming competitors. 

On the picture note, I'll do ya one better... Here's a link to our webpage.  All the pics ya want.  www.teamedgeaudio.com  There is a picture of our trophy room on our myspace, and a few other show cars.  www.myspace.com/edgeaudio I think it's funny how people are always skeptical.  HAHA!  If you really want concrete proof I can take a picture next to the truck in the back and send it via picture message to your telly. 

One other thing... Scott isn't using 13 woofers any more.  That's all I'm allowed to say so don't ask how many!  Kyle, of course, is using 2.




i KNOW THE ANSWERS......man its nice being a USACi judge.

get to some sanctioned shows and put up some numbers, I have my 160+ where is your?   hehe

using 10's no concrete, no reinforment, just wood and FG.   6 batts, and 6 amps

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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: June 01, 2007 at 11:20 PM
I was waiting for you to chime in Jeff. Until further notice you are still the SPL guy on this forum.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 12:09 AM

will_22_82 wrote:

also it was a 185.1 but it was unofficial

OK, time for me to call BS.  First, "unofficial" is the same thing as "never happened."  And second, the official world's record is still Scott Owens' 180.5 as far as I know.  Someone here will correct me (I hope they do) if I'm wrong since I'm really not an SPL guy.  But I do know that if you hit 185.1 anywhere near a calibrated mic, everyone would know your name by now.



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 9:26 AM
https://https://aftermarketproductions.ca/viewtopic.php?t=604 here is the link to a forum that has the vid of the guy hitting 185.1 no bs




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 10:30 AM
DYohn] wrote:

will_22_82 wrote:

also it was a 185.1 but it was unofficial

OK, time for me to call BS.  First, "unofficial" is the same thing as "never happened."  And second, the official world's record is still Scott Owens' 180.5 as far as I know.  Someone here will correct me (I hope they do) if I'm wrong since I'm really not an SPL guy.  But I do know that if you hit 185.1 anywhere near a calibrated mic, everyone would know your name by now.




The official world record is 181.5 right now, by Mr. Scott Owens.   And very very surprisingly there is someone right behind him!   And the crazy thing about it is Alan Dante is over 179DB 179.6 if I remember correctly on 1 WOOFER!!!!!!!!!!!

Thats insane and yes his is all legit and legal!

The score of 185 was done in a show in South america, the mic kept falling from the stand/dash where it is supposed to be located for world records, it is believed when the mic was hitting the floor it was spiking.   I will try and find the results from that show, I know the vehicle was loud very very loud, and it was doing consistant 176-178db runs during the prior round, but not over 180DB

There are still only 2 people over 180DB, Scott owens for legal/ dash position, and Matt Sibley for super port wars, where the mic is in the box, he was actually the FIRST to break 180db on the term lab mic. And it is still very hard to do even with the mic in the enclosure!

Im not trying to mock anyone, but competition is more about design then the money and equipment you have, I spent a long time, roughly 6-7 months attempting to break 150db in a trunk car, then I got my CRX and spent another 5-6 months going for over 160db, this year my goal is slightly higher, 162.2db

Good luck with your build, but I will say this much, if the is concrete forward of the B piller, (where your seat belts bolt to) you will be in Super modified or Extreme. SM for USACi, amnd EX for Db Drag.

With the power and amount of woofers top classes in both orgs.   If you really wanted a piece of Scott Owens and the best in the world your gonna get it, You will need over 179+ at either world finals, and roughly over 160 at any MAJOR show.

Good luck with your build, please post more pictures, and maybe some pointers will get thrown out there

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Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 12:10 PM
During testing at our shop I've seen numbers above 185... of course this was when the mic was on the floor.  HAHA. 

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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 12:24 PM
dstang24 wrote:

During testing at our shop I've seen numbers above 185... of course this was when the mic was on the floor.  HAHA. 


Thats why I dotn understand why Scot wont put it on the floor at USACi.    I know during DB5 there was a score of 182-183 somewhere in the vehicle, I didnt pay much attention, I was a little hammered with the Team Budweiser guys!

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Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 2:12 PM

jeffchilcott wrote:

dstang24 wrote:

During testing at our shop I've seen numbers above 185... of course this was when the mic was on the floor.  HAHA. 


Thats why I dotn understand why Scot wont put it on the floor at USACi.    I know during DB5 there was a score of 182-183 somewhere in the vehicle, I didnt pay much attention, I was a little hammered with the Team Budweiser guys!

HAHA!  Gotta love that Bud.  I know that at one of the competitions he hit 182.7 or something like that.  I'm guessing that the mic wasn't on the dash for that one. 



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 02, 2007 at 9:22 PM
i'm not saying that I will for sure. I am saying I have the equipment and vechile to do it. In time with really fine tuning who knows. Thats what and all I can hope. I got the windshield out today and doing that really sucked. The glass broke while I was taking it out yesterday, so we shattered the rest. I pulled the frame out and chizzled out the seal and rest of the glass. Next step is rebuilding the dash outta concrete and wood. To answer the glass question I am using 4 in. plexy




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 5:34 PM
They Started on the dash today, reinforcing it with rebar and wire. Trading in both alternators for 2 with 360 amp output each. Everything is going smooth, but alot of work is still to come.




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 6:04 PM
Awesome!  I've never actually seen the process of building a pure SPL competition vehicle first hand.  I've only seen the pioneer trucks get rebuilt.  It would be awesome to participate or watch the work y'all are doing.  Where are you building this vehicle?

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 04, 2007 at 8:20 PM
ashland, ky




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 10:54 AM
Anybody here live close to ashland, ky




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 10:55 AM
I'd say when we get ready to fire it up that there are gonna be a lot of people there




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 11:04 AM
I'm probably the closest to ya, but i'm in western ky so we are on opposite sides.




Posted By: rudydapimp
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 12:27 PM
i'd drive down., I always need a good laugh. Im in NE ohio.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 2:30 PM
where about ne ohio. A good laugh?




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 2:31 PM
oh yeah I upgraded my alternators further to 360amp each. They may push out 800 all together.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 2:32 PM

My dealer and another one is talking about hosting a event but I don't know when. Hopefully vechile is done by then so it will be posted on mecas site. Onle time will tell.





Posted By: rudydapimp
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 3:33 PM
akron canton area.




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 4:25 PM
will_22_82 wrote:

My dealer and another one is talking about hosting a event but I don't know when. Hopefully vechile is done by then so it will be posted on mecas site. Onle time will tell.





Why meca?   Why not a USACi or DB Drag show?   I could help you book either. I am a judge for USACi so might be able to just come out and do the show, I have family in knoxville, so I could make a double trip out of it.

If you need any info on hosting a show with either one of the org I mentioned, let me know

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 4:37 PM
Say, Jeff... How would one go about getting into the comptetition scene? I am referring specifically to SQ competitions. Answer here if you'd like, or PM me, or you have my AIM and YIM info already, I think!

Never thought of it before, but with all the work I am doing with this car, now... Why not?

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 10:03 PM
I am running into a few questions I don't have the answers to. First can I make the front windshield less shallow and bring it in more? Can the middle console extend from the dash to the wall? Or within a inch of the wall? Knowing the rule anything attahed to it(the wall) cannot exceed less then 20 inches of the steering wheel? Also when measuring  20 inches from the steering wheel to the wall, can I disconnect the steering wheel then go from that point or does it have to be attached then go from there? The passenger side can it use all min. requirements? Meaning bring in the dash to 20 in. from the wall? If a driver seat is designed to help the pressure flow in conjunction with the center console can that be used during burps?




Posted By: j_darling2007
Date Posted: June 05, 2007 at 10:42 PM
I wanna see more pics


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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 06, 2007 at 6:16 AM
will_22_82 wrote:

I am running into a few questions I don't have the answers to. First can I make the front windshield less shallow and bring it in more? Can the middle console extend from the dash to the wall? Or within a inch of the wall? Knowing the rule anything attahed to it(the wall) cannot exceed less then 20 inches of the steering wheel? Also when measuring  20 inches from the steering wheel to the wall, can I disconnect the steering wheel then go from that point or does it have to be attached then go from there? The passenger side can it use all min. requirements? Meaning bring in the dash to 20 in. from the wall? If a driver seat is designed to help the pressure flow in conjunction with the center console can that be used during burps?



It all depends on what organization you plan to run in, I am not familiar with meca's rules, but you can find the USACi Super Mod and DB drag EX rules here   https://www.soundoff.org/supportfiles/07splrules.pdf

the reason I say you will need to use the EXtream or super modified rules, is you are replacing the OEM glass, and also modifing the area forward of the b pillar.



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 06, 2007 at 7:59 PM
When redesigning the dash can it come towards the a pillar and if so how much?




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 07, 2007 at 7:02 PM
will_22_82 wrote:

When redesigning the dash can it come towards the a pillar and if so how much?



again depends on what organization you plan to run in.   both usaci and db drag have the same super modified rules or extream rules, which are posted in the link I posted before.   The rules state that there must be a minimum clearance from the front of the baffle to the dash area

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 08, 2007 at 10:37 PM
cant go past the a pillar




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 16, 2007 at 11:38 PM
gonna post more pics soon there has been some progress. They have finished rebarring the dash almost  completely. Put a few bracing in the window for the plexy glass, still need more though. Should have more pics monday.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 16, 2007 at 11:40 PM
maximum spl outta ashland, ky is doing all the work. They are some great guys and very good at what they do. If anyone wants to stop by if ya in the area.




Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: June 17, 2007 at 10:02 AM

I read all six pages of this thread...... there are a few of you guys that impress me a BUNCH. You guys know who you are. I came up with the same thoughts. PICTURES.... I know NOTHING about SPL, but sounds like a lot of "smoke".... No pun intended.   I hear talk, talk, talk.....and see nothing? I can get some pictures of a ton of product, as well as a number of vehicles dismantled.

will_22_82, get some pictures up. Make the photo files small. posted_image I'm not really impressed by all the chat.... The visual aspect is needed for me, and more people here than have said. I need the education.... help us out, get some pics.



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Posted By: hustlin247
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 4:19 PM
KarTuneMan wrote:

I read all six pages of this thread...... there are a few of you guys that impress me a BUNCH. You guys know who you are. I came up with the same thoughts. PICTURES.... I know NOTHING about SPL, but sounds like a lot of "smoke".... No pun intended.   I hear talk, talk, talk.....and see nothing? I can get some pictures of a ton of product, as well as a number of vehicles dismantled.

will_22_82, get some pictures up. Make the photo files small. posted_image I'm not really impressed by all the chat.... The visual aspect is needed for me, and more people here than have said. I need the education.... help us out, get some pics.


I read all 6 pages! Now give us pics please! Nowhere in those pages did I see what kind of car you were putting this in? Or did I overlook it...



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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 4:36 PM
You own the same car. lol

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 5:48 PM

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The vechile i a 93 ford explorer





Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 5:50 PM
I can only post up to the point where we are at. There are a lot of things we are running into about the box, middle console, etc.




Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 6:46 PM
Okay, so post some more that explain what you are asking. We're not psychic. Some of us psyco(sp), but not psychic. 

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Posted By: hustlin247
Date Posted: June 18, 2007 at 6:50 PM

OH WOW!

Now I am REALLY intrigued. How are you getting 2 alternators in an explorer??

I rececently toasted an alternator. And foolishly replaced it with another 130A alternator instead of upgrading to a 200A...



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 19, 2007 at 10:08 PM
well i am removing the ac compressor and adding a bracket to run the second. So I will have one alternator for the car stock, then 2 360 amps for the system. Well one question I have is the new age designs for high spl vechiles. I heard some are dual bandpass and single bandpass. But as far as the design the ones in the high 170's are no longer having a wall with a port. So I need to further research how to design them and use the center console to tune them in. If anyone can help me I would appreciate it.




Posted By: zacdavis
Date Posted: June 19, 2007 at 11:33 PM
jeffchilcott wrote:

Thats why I dotn understand why Scot wont put it on the floor at USACi.    I know during DB5 there was a score of 182-183 somewhere in the vehicle, I didnt pay much attention, I was a little hammered with the Team Budweiser guys!


Wow!, with the Team Budweiser "guys"? I always knew you were a little fruity.




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 6:17 AM
zacdavis wrote:

jeffchilcott wrote:

Thats why I dotn understand why Scot wont put it on the floor at USACi.    I know during DB5 there was a score of 182-183 somewhere in the vehicle, I didnt pay much attention, I was a little hammered with the Team Budweiser guys!


Wow!, with the Team Budweiser "guys"? I always knew you were a little fruity.


Well Well.   Mr Davis.......At least I wetn to finals!   Just playin buddy!     I hope you can take time to become a big part of this fourm it is a great site!   I really need to make it up there for a weekend as soon as I can get one away!   Maybe you should come down to regionals this year?!?!    I will give ya a call when I get off work

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:57 AM
hey jeff has scott had time to read my 2 e-mails I sent him?




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:59 AM

Also does anyone here know anything  about the newage walls??





Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 4:25 PM
I wouldnt know, I dont talk to scott. I dont think alot of people do.

If by "newage" you mean the new 4th and 5th order bandpass walls, yes I have some general knoledge of how they work.   Would I ever consider building or designing one? probably not at this point in time!

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2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 7:49 PM
so thats whats the high 170's guys are using?




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 8:11 PM
most are now using a bandpass design, but there are still some using a standard wall.

You have huge admarations, but I think you need to step back and calm down a bit.   The guys that are in the high 160's have spent many years and time designing setups, as well as 10,20, or 30,000 or more into their vehicle.

The ones in the 170's are far beyond that.

I know I personally put close to $10,000 into my last year of competing to reach to 160db barrier, and im sure ZacDavis spent close to the same.   


One step at a time, dont expect to go out and break 170, or even 160 db. rarly does anything work 100% right the FIRST time

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:02 PM
I know that. Its just the wall design thats slowing us I wouldn't want to use a conventional wall and throw a 160 when I could use a different design and throw a 170. Now knowing its a 4th or 5th order that will help.Is their any other knowledge you can share?




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:07 PM

what about 6th and eigth order

and the option of isoberic on any of the orders





Posted By: still_walkin
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:19 PM
Pictures will fotos also are you doing the work yourself

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:48 PM
Helping my dealer with it




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 9:58 PM
does anyone know what order most high spl people are using?




Posted By: zacdavis
Date Posted: June 20, 2007 at 10:45 PM
Forget walls, tubes man, play with tubes. :D




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 12:30 AM
Scott Owens already did that. A wall of bass cannons.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 1:02 AM

If it is a fifth order which is it they are using Fourth Order Enclosure + First Order Crossover or Third Order Enclosure + Second Order Crossover or whats the combination

or would fourth order be better. And which type of fourth order? Is it a Single-Reflex 4th order Bandpass? Does anyone know?        





Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 6:19 AM
The easiest way to explain what types of walls are being used is like the following.

A sealed box for each woofer is located inside of a bigger box which has a large port that goes into the cabin area.

Many of the new vehicles you have to crawl inside the box to change woofers and such.



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2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 10:48 AM
Got ya. But I heard also they use the wall behind the passenger side to tune the box. How is that done?




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 3:11 PM

will_22_82 wrote:

hey jeff has scott had time to read my 2 e-mails I sent him?

I would be the one to ask this question.  Odds are that he hasn't.  We've been completely swamped this week at the shop and he's heading out with the trucks tomorrow.



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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 4:54 PM

k thanks





Posted By: zacdavis
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 5:08 PM
Listen bud, not being a jerk at all, but you need to go out and learn for yourself.
Many of us have put tons and tons of hours into builds, and testing. And when others come and think they'll just buy some equipment, have someone tell them how to build it, then take a few records...well, it kinda crappy for those of us who've spent so much of our own time figuring this stuff out.
Now, I'm not saying your doing that or trying to steal any ideas, you've only asked a couple simple questions and thats fine.
But what I am getting at is that if and when you come up with a design or build, on your own, that does huge numbers, not only will you have more respect from your peers, you'll have a much better sense of accomplishment as well.

Happy building.......keep us up to date with your progress.

And again, i'll say it, try tubes, trust me. quite affordable, very easy to change around for rebuilds and tweak n tuning, much easier than rebuilding entire walls. Mike Jones has done 172's or with only 2 subs using tubes, many of us have started using them in the stock division as well, with outstanding results.

But to each their, do it your way, build-test-tune-test, then start all over again. Make us proud :D




Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 7:29 PM
I agree with zacdavis. I have been following this thread and one thing that stands out to me is, a dealer/shop is doing this build so I've read, so I'm confused on why so many questions on all the details, doesn't the shop know what they are doing? With the amount of money going into this system, if it were me I would want somebody who knows all of this to be doing the work, not having to go ask strangers all these questions and tell the shop how to do it, but thats just me.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 21, 2007 at 8:26 PM
I have always went there ever since I got into speakers and such. As far as not knowing what they are doing. We would had put a wall with a port, console for pressure direction, etc. Noone should really put down someone for not knowing. They could had put together a box have everything done, and redesign, test, etc. They have a great understanding of enclosures. What if someone else went to a shop that had never done this type of build. Would you not have questions. I mean your putting money into it. Wouldn't you want to understand the whole pic or still putting the puzzle together. Honestly how many people here knows about the new age designs that are getting people from 170 to a 176 for example. It's not only a business relationship but a couple of guys saying hey we can do this to and put our spin on in. I'm not trying to rip deisgns from others. Where would be the competition in that?  Now knowing what we know we are going into the design well informed and can put in our 2 cents. I know other have used tubes to achieve numbers but thats already been done. What if we designed a 6th order box. I mean few to none have that. Most if not all are fourth. At this point I have learned that people are kind in sharing what they know and I am greatful for the knowledge they have shared. Even if your the best your still constantly trying to learn and experiment. Always saying....  maybe that'll work.




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: June 22, 2007 at 5:46 PM
This guy I know has this van...two 18's and a lil over 8000 watts

https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/wrf01a/Van2.jpg
and
https://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y284/wrf01a/ThebigBox.jpg

hits in the hight 160s...he told me he could have gotten in the 170s easily but he miscalculated one measurement during the install. All he had to do was move the wall back about a foot or so I think and he would have been there.

This technique just used calculus.


you can use it for inspiration




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 22, 2007 at 7:32 PM

Is that considered new age or conventional design? Does anyone else have anymore pics?





Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 23, 2007 at 1:51 PM
what would be the cubic feet for 6 gti 15" in a ported box. I would ask my dealer but I can't get a hold of him.




Posted By: j_darling2007
Date Posted: June 23, 2007 at 7:10 PM
https://www.linearteam.dk/default.aspx?pageid=winisdpro

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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: June 23, 2007 at 9:22 PM
I'm not sure...I don't think many people use that design. He came up with it himself

here is an install he did with four 12s and around 2000 watts...the thing hit 159db

https://www.caraudiotalk.com/audio-forum/general-car-audio-discussions/3334-tale-2-1-2-hondas.html




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 23, 2007 at 9:39 PM
I am not using his I have a design picked out just wondering




Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: June 24, 2007 at 3:12 AM
ahh icic...well good luck...and more pics!!!




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 24, 2007 at 8:31 AM
I'll get more as the vechile is done




Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 24, 2007 at 4:56 PM
I have seen that honda before.     I remember it being brought to our attention on the usaci fourm.    He was metering on the audiocontrol system so most likely the scores were maybe in the very low 150 range.

he was asked to come to a sanctioned show, usaci or db Drag.   and has still yet to show from what I remember last.

The setups that are very very loud, you wont see pictures posted on the net of them.

I have pictures posted of my setup that did 156.3, but again in my class thats not that loud.   the setup I did 160.6 with the pictures were only up for one day, then taken down.

You dont need a wall to acheive over 160DB    ther are quite a few of us out there in trucks and CRX's

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2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 24, 2007 at 5:17 PM
I am going for the 170's not the 160's




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 25, 2007 at 5:26 PM
Can anyone recommend batteries as far as brands.




Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: June 25, 2007 at 8:13 PM
Kinetik

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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: June 25, 2007 at 8:59 PM
it appears as you dont want to listen to myself or zac davis or dstang.      all of who are involved very much so in the competition arena.

I said I wanted to do a 160 last year but never expected it fist try, and I have some big news for ya after looking.

There has NEVER been an explorer to do a 170+     I was having alot of trouble verifing even 160's out of them wall or not.

I have decided to walk away from this, as you for one...are not building your setup yourself, therefore you get no respect from myself or any other competitors, nor do you want to listen to us.

You have came off as arrogant and stubborn, and we still have not seen any proof of said equipment and such, just a picture of a vehile missing the dash with some rebarb welded in?!?! Why you could fool me.


I hope you some how come up with your very very unreasonable goals.

P.S I second the Audioforce/The V/Kinetik batteries, I own a dozen myself and have loved them so far.

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2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: zhalverson
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 12:16 AM

Well said!





Posted By: j_darling2007
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 12:43 AM
Very well said. I am 18 and have gone through 4 stereo systems. Has it been expensive? Yes, very much so. Have I learned a lot? Yes, even more so. I went from a prefab 10" box and a sony sub (every 16 year old's dream) to a full out custom designed system. With WinISD, I designed and built the custom ported enclosure myself with the Kappa 12's. And I installed both amps and the alpine type-r components and 6x9's in my car.

I am truly not saying this to brag. I am saying this to "inspire" will_22_82 to go out and do the work himself. You will learn so much more. Anyone can pay a shop to do the work. For me, it is so much more satisfying to do the work myself. I am not an SPL guy, but I would much rather have a vehicle that does 150's that I designed and built myself than a vehicle that does 160's that I paid someone to build.....

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Posted By: chucksnee
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 7:09 AM
will_22_82

What people are trying to say is....In this thread you have (in my opinion and others) asked extremely basic questions. What type of battery do you suggest? That would be 1 time in SEARCH to figure that out.

Now, I am a beginner as you, I troll this board becasue at the time I cannot build a car or system and do not wish to at this time.

Just re-read this entire thread and look at the questions you have asked you may noitice and may not?

Also the questions you are asking, you should not be asking if you are having a shop build your system.

I hope you make 170, doubtful but maybe. Good luck







Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 11:01 AM
I have been helping as the progress went along for the vechile and I will continue. As far as the batteries I was deciding between powermaster and kinetik, but I was weighing other options as to what else was being used. I kow that I will not hit 170 at the beginning, but that is our goal. I figure the low to mid 160's at first. But that is why there is fine tuning, getting the speakers to fire at once with no delay in one or the other, directing the pressure once it hits the cab, etc. etc. etc. Its not that I am arrogant as some proclaim by far, but my goals are high. The only thing I lack is batteries right now. I will have 12 to 14 16v to start with, but will need plenty more. Actually by kinetic standard 28 2400 amp batteries to be exact. Others use 10 batteries per amp I am running. As far as proof what do you want me to do stack it all up, point and say there. I have all 12 amps 4 of the 6 gti's right now. My dealer has the money for them but has not ordered them yet. Have the money for the batteries, but still deciding where to go. Both alternators and the regulator. I am not bsing, that would be ignorant to do so. As far as box design I would like to use sixth order, but have no formula yet. If not then it will be fourth. When others here were starting out what questions were you asking I bet they were basic. Also as far as a ford explorer what equipment wew they using to hit there numbers?




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 11:01 AM
Everything is trial and error




Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 11:13 AM
Well said Jeff. I wish this thread would just go away.

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Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 11:26 AM
isn't the idea of this forum to ask questions.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 1:46 PM
Anyway I apologize if I come off that way. I am just excited about this type of project. My old system would only do a 143.4 in a olds cutlass. I thrive on competing and only hope to eventually hit harder, but only time will tell. True I have paid them for the build, but at the same time I am helping and learning. I have only delt with speakers for a year or less in reality. Just now wanting to understand more and get serious.




Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 7:46 PM
Well if the vehicle doesn't set a record   at least the thread set one   106 replies in less than a month




Posted By: kirktcashalini
Date Posted: June 26, 2007 at 8:28 PM
lol... also... where are these pictures.

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Posted By: zacdavis
Date Posted: June 27, 2007 at 11:01 AM
You guys wish this thread would go away? Noway, this is the most entertaining conversation in the car audio portion.
I think he'll do good. Like he said, its all trial and error.
Good luck.
again, i've mentioned this 3 times now, tubes;), trust me.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: June 27, 2007 at 11:52 PM
Well I gotta measure my space tomorrow to get ready for the box design. Theres alot that goes into it. Really limited on space.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: July 04, 2007 at 1:02 PM
ordered the plexi for the front windshield today. Going with 2" thick 15 x 15 wide. It will be three seperaate pieces.




Posted By: will_22_82
Date Posted: July 18, 2007 at 11:41 AM

PLexi glass came today will have more pics soon as the windshield progresses

also the front will be 3 inches thick



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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: July 23, 2007 at 8:42 PM
Well how is the progress?   

I watched a vehicle this last weekend, that had a chance to break scotts record, but just fell shy of it.

Crazy guy with alot of new ideas, the guys from pioneer already know who he is.


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2009 0-1000 Trunk WR 154.0DB 2009 1001+ Trunk WR
2007 USACI World Champion
2007 World Record
2006 USACI Finals 2nd Place




Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: August 22, 2007 at 7:01 PM
Just was curious about the status of this build.

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