tc sounds subs
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Topic: tc sounds subs
Posted By: theterminator
Subject: tc sounds subs
Date Posted: July 19, 2007 at 7:28 PM
I was thinking about puchasing the TC-3000 quad 2ohm sub. Im just want to kno yalls opinions on TC sounds subs compared to Kicker, JL Audio, Rockford Fosgate and other top brands.
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Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 19, 2007 at 7:58 PM
Rapes them overall.
Rockford Fosgate is towards the bottom of the list...crap
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: July 19, 2007 at 8:09 PM
Unless you can afford a 13W7, then you have picked a really great product. At least that's what I keep hearing around here! ------------- 2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
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Posted By: sqsq
Date Posted: July 19, 2007 at 10:01 PM
TC Sounds (with maybe the exception of the VERY expensive W7). I was apprehensive at first as it was a brand I was completely unfamiliar with, but HAEMPHYST sold me on them and he was absolutely right about every accolade he threw their way. I've owned rockford, kicker, audiobahn, boston, mtx, soundstream and I've installed all of the aforementioned along with alpine, infinity, pioneer, polk, sony as well as other brands. And there is no question in my mind that a comparably priced TC sounds sub is not only better, but MUCH better--especially in the right enclosure. You MIGHT get more sheer volume out of a Kicker L7, an Alpine Type R or something like that--but in terms of clarity, depth, detail and every other meaningful SQ element the TC sounds are inarguably better AND they still produce high SPL.
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: July 19, 2007 at 10:29 PM
My personal opinion is that I'm not a big fan of TC Sounds subs. They utilize some design techniques that I think hinder their performance and longterm reliability. They do offer a lot of bang for the buck since they sell their product directly. I'm personally a big fan of JL Audio. They are a bit more expensive than most other brands, but their designs have proven to be top notch and very well engineered.
Posted By: speakermakers
Date Posted: July 20, 2007 at 2:24 AM
I have recently looked into these speakers and have found a major flaw in their advertising practices. They claim a 3" peak to peak stroke of undistorted sound. This is an all out lie! 10mm would be an amazing achievement. I have to wonder how far they are willing to go to make a buck. They might have a great product, and I am curious to test their products. But for now I know that they are willing to tell outrageous lies.
Posted By: sedate
Date Posted: July 20, 2007 at 5:10 PM
speakermakers wrote:
I know that they are willing to tell outrageous lies.
Hmm. Not sure about all that. Steven Kephart wrote:
My personal opinion is that I'm not a big fan of TC Sounds subs....I'm personally a big fan of JL Audio.
Yea. I was thinking really hard on a pair of TC 12's.... they're beautiful woofers...... but a few minutes with WinISD and the spec's for the good ole' JLW3... well. I think kfr01said it best "JL beats brand X" ------------- "I'm finished!" - Daniel Plainview
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: July 21, 2007 at 2:17 PM
speakermakers wrote:
I have recently looked into these speakers and have found a major flaw in their advertising practices. They claim a 3" peak to peak stroke of undistorted sound. <text addressed separately - haemphyst> I have to wonder how far they are willing to go to make a buck.
And you've NEVER stretched the truth to make a sale... Hmmm?
speakermakers wrote:
...This is an all out lie! 10mm would be an amazing achievement... ...But for now I know that they are willing to tell outrageous lies...
HOW do you know? You admitted yourself you know little to nothing about the drivers. Thilo is an amazing designer, and ANYTHING is possible with adequate design time.
Lies? Not likely. Potentially "stretching the truth", maybe, but if you've never dealt with the drivers, how can you say they are lying?
Are you of the belief that 3" isn't POSSIBLE? You'd be wrong there. Adire had a 24" flat diaphragm, with 4" of linear - The Parthenon. (4 inches, right Steven? You'll have to refresh my memory...) I saw it. 120dB @ 20Hz WITHOUT AN ENCLOSURE! And it DIDN'T have a frame, even - it was a diaphragm attached to a voicecoil, and no surround. It can be done, and if you DON'T know the product, please reserve your judgement.
speakermakers wrote:
They might have a great product, and I am curious to test their products.
They DO, and please do so, before casting aspersions. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: July 21, 2007 at 2:29 PM
I haven't heard my TC-3000 15" yet, but I can surely say it looks to be the visually nicest built subwoofer I have run across so far.
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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: July 21, 2007 at 5:54 PM
HERE is the video of the parthenon...amazing
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: July 21, 2007 at 11:34 PM
haemphyst wrote:
Are you of the belief that 3" isn't POSSIBLE? You'd be wrong there. Adire had a 24" flat diaphragm, with 4" of linear - The Parthenon. (4 inches, right Steven? You'll have to refresh my memory...) I saw it. 120dB @ 20Hz WITHOUT AN ENCLOSURE! And it DIDN'T have a frame, even - it was a diaphragm attached to a voicecoil, and no surround. .
80mm one way linear excursion. That's over 6" peak to peak linear. With the 24" diaphragm attached it had more displacement than 12 of our 15" Tumults (our subs with 13W7 excursion capabilities). For reference, that's 25% more excursion than MTX's Jackhammer and it only weighed 45 lbs.
Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: July 22, 2007 at 6:17 PM
Have mentioned before that anyone wanting a TC sub for the cheap prices had better hurry because of their upcoming price increases, which were supposed to be up to 50% higher, well noticed today that they changed it from 50%-100% on all products so, TC won't be sold at good deals anymore, you want them, you gonna shell out some money for them very soon!
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: July 23, 2007 at 6:20 PM
tdsteele wrote:
Have mentioned before that anyone wanting a TC sub for the cheap prices had better hurry because of their upcoming price increases, which were supposed to be up to 50% higher, well noticed today that they changed it from 50%-100% on all products so, TC won't be sold at good deals anymore, you want them, you gonna shell out some money for them very soon!
That sucks! So, are they still good for the money, or should 'we' save up for JL? ------------- 2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
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Posted By: zhalverson
Date Posted: July 24, 2007 at 1:21 AM
soundsplinters are tc motors with modified cones, suspenion, etc. still cheap and i can attest to the service so something to keep in mind.
Posted By: theterminator
Date Posted: July 28, 2007 at 1:51 AM
Ok so i finally purchased the TC-3000 and now i need an amp. The speaker can handle 1000w rms and 3000w peak. So wat amp would you suggest?
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: July 29, 2007 at 8:55 AM
Alpine PDX1.1000. Got one, use it, LOVE it!
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It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: July 29, 2007 at 4:42 PM
Which version did you get voice coil wise? And just from everything I have read or heard about TC subs, I would think that sub would beg for more then just a 1000 watts.
Posted By: theterminator
Date Posted: July 29, 2007 at 11:09 PM
I got the quad coil tc-3000
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: July 30, 2007 at 7:04 PM
I agree, it should take more than 1000wrms. Haemphyst has a 1.1000 on a TC1000 (love the box, BTW) so I think you should put about 2000 to it.
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2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
DDX470HD GTO14001 GTO1014D (x3)
Big3 in 1/0G
1/0G to GTO14001
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: July 30, 2007 at 7:04 PM
EDIT::: Wait, why not two PDX1.1000's?! -I love ///Alpine.
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2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
DDX470HD GTO14001 GTO1014D (x3)
Big3 in 1/0G
1/0G to GTO14001
Posted By: jvillefinest
Date Posted: July 31, 2007 at 6:37 AM
i have to agree that JL is one of the best. what other company doesnt change thier subs EVERY year!? isnt the w7 like 5 years old now?
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2007 Acura TSX
SQ setup in the works
Posted By: theterminator
Date Posted: August 01, 2007 at 2:07 PM
Ok so ive narrowed my choices down to the MTX Thunder Elite TE1501D amp, Kicker ZX1500.1, and the Kenwood Excelon X1R amps. Which one would you choose?
Posted By: dpaton
Date Posted: August 21, 2007 at 12:14 PM
OP: TC makes awesome drivers. The W7 series, as said, is about the only real competition on your list, and it comes in second.
speakermakers wrote:
They claim a 3" peak to peak stroke of undistorted sound. This is an all out lie!
Hmm. That's nice that you have an opinion. Too bad it's dead wrong.
I've met Thilo, the namesake of the company you're bashing. I've been involved with custom driver development off and on for years. The stoke they give is real. It can be done by lots of companies. I've got a good friend who is currently sourcing drivers from China with a real live DUMAX certified 2.5" LINEAR Xmax, with an Xsus closer to 3.5" for home theater subwoofers. You might want to read up a little on current driver technology. A lot's changed since 1997. ------------- This is not a sig. This is a duck. Quack.
Posted By: theterminator
Date Posted: August 22, 2007 at 12:18 AM
Well im glad i got my TC-3000. have yall seen the prices now. There outrageous! But they come with a LIFETIME WARRANTY! But yea heres wat my setups going to look like tell me what ya think: 1- TC- 3000 Quad Voice Coil 1-Kicker ZX1500.1 amp 1-Kicker ZX650.4 2 pair of Rockford Fosgate 6.5inch components T162S Still undecided about what deck im going to get.
Posted By: tdsteele
Date Posted: August 22, 2007 at 5:13 AM
From the TC website. TC Sounds online drivers are being discontinued. We have only a few left, and once they are gone, they are gone. We will however support and service all of these drivers indefinitely as TC Sounds is not going away. The remaining drivers being sold at a discount will carry a 1 year warranty. TC Sounds will be launching a brand new line of drivers shortly but they will not be sold online. Interesting.
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