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dual speakers with only 3 wires

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Topic: dual speakers with only 3 wires

Posted By: gumbycw
Subject: dual speakers with only 3 wires
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 6:50 PM

Hello,

I have some Recaro seats with dual Blaupunkt speakers in the headrests. I am trying to hook them up to my deck, but there is only 3 wires and not 4 from the speakers. Using a 9 volt battery I have found that they seem to be sharing a ground wire. Can I hook the positives from the speakers to the correct positive of the deck and the 1 ground from the speakers to a single ground off of the deck, or should I combine both grounds from the deck and connect that to the single ground from the speakers? Any help would be appreciated. I would have just connected my own wires right from the speakers if they weren't sewn into the seats. Thanks



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Posted By: Bigsingh
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 7:11 PM
ok a ground is a ground so u can combine or just connect the one its upto u, c which one ur deck works with

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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 14, 2007 at 7:22 PM

A ground is a ground, if it is a ground.   If your radio was manufactured in the last 15 years or so, chances are it is a high powered unit.  This means that there is signal on the negative speaker wire. 

I would not try connecting the negative speaker wires together.





Posted By: gumbycw
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 12:33 PM

Sorry,

I think I labelled the wires incorrectly. There is a common wire between the 2 speakers is really what the post should have said. I don't actually know if it is a negative or positive. Just that it works with both speakers. With this being the case, I am looking for help in how I should wire up these speakers. Sorry if I didn't explain this well in my original question. Thanks



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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 1:04 PM
Three wires for two speakers is a "common ground" system and as mentioned above, should not be used with most modern head units.  You will need to rewire the speakers and split the grounds (or negatives.)

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Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 6:37 PM

I'm wanting to say that the speakers are sharing the ground, they are probably 2 8ohm speakers in parallel for a 4ohm load on the amp (if they are 2 4ohm speakers in parallel for a 2ohm load, your HU's internal amp may not work). I think you should connect both +'s from the left headrest to either the left front or left rear +, and the the one - to the same output channels' -. For the right headrest, do the same, but on the right side of the HU's outputs (the same, front or rear, as the left side).

You really need to do some impedance and polarity checks first.



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Posted By: i am an idiot
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 8:28 PM

The speakers are mounted in a seat.  there is one on the left side of his head and one on the right.  

It would probably not be too hard to remove the top half of the seat.  Then you should be able to get the fasteners on the bottom of the seat back.  Remove the fasteners and you should be able to slide the cover off of the seat and rewire the speakers.





Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 9:28 PM
If each headrest has two speakers, for stereo sound, why would they be made to share a common ground if most amps cannot support this (in stereo operation, that is)?

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 15, 2007 at 9:40 PM

jmelton86 wrote:

If each headrest has two speakers, for stereo sound, why would they be made to share a common ground if most amps cannot support this (in stereo operation, that is)?

It could be an old seat.  But your point is well taken: the speakers could safely be used mono on one channel of an amp that can handle the impedance.



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Posted By: Flakman
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 9:46 AM
DYohn] wrote:

p>It could be an old seat.  But your point is well taken: the speakers could safely be used mono on one channel of an amp that can handle the impedance.


I ditto that point. However, having one half of a stereo signal right behind your ears would really suck sonically. I could see using two channels bridged so that you at least get both channels merged instead of only one half of a stereo signal. If you were to play any music with that is recorded with any degree of separation, the sound would get hollow depending on which side had the vocals, etc.



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Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: August 17, 2007 at 7:18 PM
Pac part OEM2 will allow you to hook up your high powered radio to common ground speakers.

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Posted By: gumbycw
Date Posted: August 19, 2007 at 3:02 PM
I'm sorry I don't know what a pac partOEM2 is. Could you clarify?

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: August 19, 2007 at 3:40 PM
PAC = Pacific Accessory Company, OEM2 = the product you need if you can't rewire the speakers.

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