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eclipse xa5000 vs phoenix gold xs6600

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Forum Name: Car Audio
Forum Discription: Car Stereos, Amplifiers, Crossovers, Processors, Speakers, Subwoofers, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=98732
Printed Date: May 02, 2024 at 10:52 PM


Topic: eclipse xa5000 vs phoenix gold xs6600

Posted By: uberspeed
Subject: eclipse xa5000 vs phoenix gold xs6600
Date Posted: November 07, 2007 at 6:18 PM

Hello folks, new here. I searched and came up with nothing so I'm asking here.

So it looks like I'm down to these two, which would you buy and why? :)
Both are about $300-325 so it's not a consideration really.

Eclipse XA5000

https://www.eclipse-web.com/amp/xa5000.html
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Specs:
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Phoenix Gold XS6600

https://www.phoenixgold.com/webfaq/XS.htm
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Specs:
Thermally Efficient Heatsink Timed Acoustically Integrated Muting (TAIM)
Differential Speaker or RCA Level Inputs
Tri-Linear Capability Allows Simultaneous Stereo and Bridged Operation
24dB / Octave High Pass and Low Pass Crossover
Rnet Programmable 20Hz to 20kHz Crossover Frequency
Auxiliary Outputs Route Full Range Signals
Variable Bass Boost Circuit Provides Up to 18 dB of Boost at 45 Hz
2 Ohm Bridged Stable
Output Power:
4 ohm stereo @ 12/13.8 VDC: 18/50 WRMS x 4
2 ohm stereo @ 13.8 VDC: 90 WRMS x 4
4 ohm bridged @ 13.8 VDC: 180 WRMS x 2
Subwoofer Channel Output Power:
4 ohm stereo @ 12/13.8 VDC: 25/75 WRMS x 2
2 ohm stereo @ 13.8 VDC: 150 WRMS x 2
4 ohm bridged @ 13.8 VDC: 300 WRMS x 1
Crossover Frequencies: 20Hz to 20kHz(Rnet factory set at 100Hz)
Crossover Slopes: 24dB per Octave
Frequency Response: +/-1dB from 20Hz to 20kHz
Signal to Noise Ratio: >100dB
Input Sensitivity: 200 millivolts to 2 volts
Input Impedance: >10k ohms
Input Voltage Range: 10.5 volts to 15.0 volts
Bass EQ: 0 to + 12dB @ 45Hz
Typical current draw at idle: 750 milliamps
Minimum Impedance: 2 ohm bridged/1ohm stereo
Dimensions: 14.25L x 11.25W x 2.1H

So in reading this: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~75836~PN~1

Is efficiency more important or Signal to Noise Ratio?

Provided I read correctly and did the formulas right:
The Eclipse has 46% efficiency with >90% Signal to Noise Ratio.
The PG has 43% efficiency with >100 Signal to Noise Ratio.

In looking them over closely the Eclipse is much more configurable, in terms of crossover points and bass boost. Just trying to make sure I get the right gear...

Please help me decide and thank you all in advance for educating me.




Replies:

Posted By: uberspeed
Date Posted: November 07, 2007 at 8:28 PM




Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: November 07, 2007 at 9:20 PM
Eclipse is known to adhere to higher standards than Kleenex Gold.  I'd love to have an Eclipse in my car.

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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 07, 2007 at 10:21 PM
Eclipse, no question.

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Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 10:45 AM
DYohn] wrote:

Eclipse, no question.

Ditto

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Posted By: uberspeed
Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 5:02 PM
4 gauge amp kit, 80A fuse. (sized right?)
14 gauge for sub. (should I use 12?)
16 gauge for speakers. (should I use 14?)

X-over points:
Front and Rear: Hi-Pass 30-500Hz (where would you set it?)
Sub: Lo-Pass 50-500Hz (where would you set it?)
Bass Boost 32-64Hz up to 8db (where would you set it? would you even use it?)




Posted By: forbidden
Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 7:31 PM

Eclipse again, no questions, do not pass go. The amp has 3 30amp fuses in it so ideally a larger fuse on the main power line if you could. The speaker wire size will be fine, no harm in going a little bit larger though. Low pass the subs to start around 110 and hp the front and rears around the same area, maybe a little lower. Play with the crossover points with the sub off to see how it changes at all volume levels.



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Posted By: uberspeed
Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 8:10 PM

It's 25Ax3 on the fuses, so I figured an 80A fuse would be right, or am I wrong? In reading the FAQ I thought that was right.

This is the kit I'm looking to go with, it gives me 30ft of 12 gauge for the sub and I should use 14 for the speakers then?

Amp kit, 4 gauge: https://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/6854

  • Power OFC Cable [4 gauge/20 ft]
  • Ground OFC Cable [4 gauge/3 ft]
  • Double Shielded RCA OFC Cable [17 ft]
  • Clear OFC Speaker Wire [12 gauge/30 ft]
  • Remote Turn-on Wire [17 ft]
  • Split Looom tubing [6 ft]
  • 1 x AGU Fuse Holder
  • 1 x AGU Fuse [80 Ampere]
  • 2 x Ring Terminal [4 gauge]
  • 2 x Spade Terminal [4 gauge]
  • 2 x Spade Terminal [16 gauge]
  • 2 x Butt Connector
  • 10 x Cable Ties
  • 2 x Self-tapping Screw




  • Posted By: uberspeed
    Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 8:17 PM

    Speakers Front and Rear: eD 6000s v.2

    65W RMS 50Hz-20KHz 4OHM 91dB

    Sub: still getting specs

    So I should start at 110Hz and go from there? No over lap on the Hz?





    Posted By: uberspeed
    Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 8:18 PM

    And YES, I'm going with the Eclipse.

    Thank you for that ;)





    Posted By: uberspeed
    Date Posted: November 08, 2007 at 8:22 PM

    Sub: 10 - 100Hz @ less than .5dB Variation

    So I take it my x-over will be 100Hz then?






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