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Topic: 400 dollar sub?

Posted By: mcben789
Subject: 400 dollar sub?
Date Posted: November 14, 2007 at 7:40 PM

Any recommendations? Looking for one sub preferably 15".

Going in a Nissan Pathfinder.

I've been looking at: Fi BTL
        Soundstream R1
        (you're suggestion here)

I'm looking for one that will beat ** to pieces. I'll probably upgrade to another one after i buy the one. Don't tell me Kicker L7.

I'm really leaning towards the Fi BTL. I was going to power it with two Cadence TXA-1000D.

It would be cool if beat harder than two 12"L5's in a sealed box, and harder than a pair of Diamond D9's. I'll be porting the box and yes i have room.

Open to any suggestions, criticisms, thoughts, whatever.



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Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: November 14, 2007 at 7:48 PM

2 Boston G5's (or even the SPG555's). Use a GTR or 2 for each sub. The 12's only require 1cu' and the 10's only require .5cu' (with OR without the GTRs).

What do you mean by 400? The price?



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Posted By: techman93
Date Posted: November 14, 2007 at 8:00 PM
Ground Zero 15 inch sub. Massive bass.
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Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 14, 2007 at 8:26 PM
yeah $400 tops for sub.




Posted By: jrod83
Date Posted: November 14, 2007 at 9:55 PM
JL audio w6 or w7.....

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Posted By: jeffchilcott
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 12:43 AM
mcben789 wrote:

Any recommendations? Looking for one sub preferably 15".

Going in a Nissan Pathfinder.

I've been looking at: Fi BTL
        Soundstream R1
        (you're suggestion here)

I'm looking for one that will beat ** to pieces. I'll probably upgrade to another one after i buy the one. Don't tell me Kicker L7.

I'm really leaning towards the Fi BTL. I was going to power it with two Cadence TXA-1000D.

It would be cool if beat harder than two 12"L5's in a sealed box, and harder than a pair of Diamond D9's. I'll be porting the box and yes i have room.

Open to any suggestions, criticisms, thoughts, whatever.

Whats wrong with the Kicker L7 if you want to Beat ** to pieces?     2 12 L7's in the proper box with the proper power, is more then enough for most people.

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Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 9:54 AM
Do you have an amp already?
Where can you get a Diamond D9 15 for $400??

I just did a pair of D3 15's in a Tahoe, it was way loud. As well as a pair of D6 12's - made my ears hurt. (both ported).

Let me know if you have an amp already and what the specs are




Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 3:01 PM
I don't want anything that people already have here in my town: (sorry they weren't D9's, they were D3's) My competition is 2 Kicker 12" L5's sealed, under a seat. And Directed ADS 12".

I want something to hit hard. Have you heard anything about Soundstream R1's?




Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 3:11 PM
Oh and what about amps: Quantum Audio 4000D? Hifonics BXi2607D? MTX TA92001? (2) Cadence TXA-6004? Looking for 2000 watts rms @ 1 ohm.




Posted By: kamberkash
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 3:40 PM
DD Audio 3515 15" sub 1200 watts rms
https://www.ddaudio.com/dd/caraudio/woofers.asp?series=3500e

DD Audio M3 amplifier 2400 watts @ 1ohm https://www.ddaudio.com/dd/amp/amp.asp?series=M




Posted By: steveskal
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 8:24 PM

Hmmm, I'm a JL Audio guy and I'd normally recommend a 12w7 or 13w7 but they are both well over $400, and since you want something nobody else has...how about the new Orion HCCA 15.4, its a 15 inch sub that you can get on Ebay for just over $400 shipped and you can put gobs and gobs of power to it and it should just suck it right up. Thats my suggestion for you.





Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 8:30 PM
I love those DD woofers. The average joe wont know about them. They are beastly and have great output. You might decrease your gas mileage, but hey - thats a good thing.

What is your total budget for amp/woofer? Do you already have a box/wiring?




Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 8:34 PM

coppellstereo wrote:

I love those DD woofers... You might decrease your gas mileage, but hey - thats a good thing.

Do you mean b/c of the weight of them?



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Posted By: ibasspro
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 8:50 PM

yeah, check out the dd's.....hell the RE (resonate engineering...hope I spelled that right)

I know the MTX 9500 are just under $400 on ebay now....very fond of those I am.

forget about the soundstream.....LOL the T4 is junk compared to a DD3515...I got one hangin in my bathroom to prove it...LOL hell if you go soundstream just go flea market all the way, & get a poweracoustik mofo LMAO.

what was wrong with the L7 again? it is usally a pretty good idea to listen to the guy that beat robert kollar (props BTW)



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Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 10:33 PM
yeah, bc of the weight.

BEASTLY.




Posted By: crewwzin
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 1:43 PM

Depending on what you can find on eBay right now, I would recommend a Memphis MOJO 15". Its a remarkable sub with high power handling and dashing good looks. I have seen as many as 4 MOJO amps (2K watts per amp) on one MOJO 15" in competition vehicles. I personally had a single 12" with a Memphis St-1000d in an extended cab Dakota that would take your breath away. It hit a 152.4 on dash.

Not a lot of people on this site use Memphis, but I have been using their products now for about 5 years and havent looked back. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in.



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Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 4:15 PM
Thanks for all the input guys.

I don't want L7's because a friend of mine already has L5's and he claims he wants to step up to Solo X's.

My total budget for sub/amp will hopefully not be over $900. I'm making my own box and already have speakers and things picked out (Eclipse 3100 deck, Clif Designs QX6500C components, Clif Designs amp, probably some Clif Designs cheap rear fills).

Right now i'm see-sawing between DD and Fi. I like Memphis, but one of my friends has a 15".(sorry don't know the model #).

Christmas is on the way so me and my friends are debating between what subs were asking for from Santa Claus :). (sorry were only 16). One is supposedly getting an HCCA 15", and the other wants a pair of W7's or an RE XXX 18".

What about all the features you can select when selecting the Fi BTL? Whats necessary (P Chamfer, Cooling, Inner H Sink, HiXmCoil, Universal)? Would the Cooling option obviously be self cooling? HiXmCoil--would that be higher excursion? What about the P Chamfer, Inner H Sink, and Universal?

Is that DD 3515e 4 ohms?

sorry for the long post...thanks friends :)




Posted By: donpisto
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 5:45 PM

The DD is the best option I've seen, also the BTL. The Boston G5 won't come close, the JL won't get all that loud. However, with the DD, don't expect much SQ from it. Many people say it's an SQ sub and to be honest, they don't know what they are talking about. I haven't heard a BTL, but 2,000w is enough to tickle it.

A soundsplinter rl-p is a good choice to throw into the mix. I have an 18 that I was running in my Accord and it got quite loud and sounded really good. I used to own a DD 9515 and it didn't get quite as loud, but it sure sounded MUCH better. If you're looking for straight out SPL and dont care about SQ, then by all means DD is a great choice. Consider the RE MT's also, or for more SQ and loud combo, there is the older RE XXX.  Cactus Sounds makes some good SPL subs and the Atomic APxx (by Atomic) is another good daily SPL sub. For amps, I highly recommend RF. I have a T30001bd, and if you check out their actual vs rated chart, you will notice how underrated they are. On top of that, they stay extremely cool. The T20001bd would work well for you as well. Check out High Desert Audio on eBay (it's Rockford Fosgate's ebay user id for their refurb stuff...i've bought several items from them).

Realize with this, you need a good electrical. Plan on spending 500-1k on electrical costs such as an upgraded battery, possibly a second in the trunk, and an HO alt, and of course and first, the big 3. Batteries, I recommend Odyssey, they are great daily batteries. If you plan to compete, then Kinetik would probably be a better route since they have more reserve. Hope this helps.





Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 17, 2007 at 2:06 AM
Thanks man. I think right now I'm going with the Fi BTL 15". I'm still iffy on the amp. I know you pay for what you get (most of the time), but RF is out of my price range of $400.

Also i might add I will be getting pretty much all my stuff on the web.

Amps I've been looking at: Quantum Audio 3000 watt (@ 1 ohm) and Hifonics 2600 watt (@ 1 ohm)

I know what i need to do about the electrical (around 300 amps of power for car and amps).

What do you guys think about an amp for the beast (try to keep around $400.




Posted By: donpisto
Date Posted: November 17, 2007 at 4:14 AM
If you can find out the fuse rating on both amps, you can tell whether it will do it's rated power by following basic ohms law.

You would do 14.4 (voltage) A (total fuse rating on amplifier in amps) x .7 (70% efficiency, usually for class AB amps) or .9 (90% efficiency for Class D amps). If this is a bit confusing just find out the fuse rating and I can let you know. Are you looking for a new amp or used? By the way, the BTL's (fully loaded) can take an easy 3k each without a problem.




Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 17, 2007 at 7:22 PM
I don't know the fuse ratings for the Quantum Audio. From the website I know its 3000 watts rms @ 1 ohm and is class A/B.

The Hifonics and MTX are class D. I figure if I just get 300 amps worth of charging power than I will be okay (better to over-guess than under-guess for the alternator).




Posted By: donpisto
Date Posted: November 18, 2007 at 2:16 AM
mcben789 wrote:

I don't know the fuse ratings for the Quantum Audio. From the website I know its 3000 watts rms @ 1 ohm and is class A/B.

The Hifonics and MTX are class D. I figure if I just get 300 amps worth of charging power than I will be okay (better to over-guess than under-guess for the alternator).


Not necessarily. The Quantum amp would need a total of 300A for fuses. If it has anything less than that, it will not be able to put out 3,000w. I highly recommend finding out what fuse rating it has, but personally I would just pass on the Quantum. Hifonics would probably be the better route to go.




Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 22, 2007 at 12:53 PM
So yes to Hifonics, no to Quantum.

Any other amp recommendations around the same price ranges as these amplifiers?

Thanks for all your help donpisto :)




Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 23, 2007 at 12:02 AM
I saw a quantum amp the other day. supposedly 1,000 watts or so. it was lighter than the monster energy drink i was sipping on at the time. piece of junk if you ask me.

I havent seen much of the new hifonics stuff, but it seems to be a great bang for your buck




Posted By: speed92056
Date Posted: November 23, 2007 at 5:14 PM

i had mtx 9500 series 15" in ported box and loved it.

have u considered that sub ????





Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 23, 2007 at 6:21 PM

I'm pretty sure now I'm going with two Hifonics bxi1606d's.  

I've considered MTX, but multiple people have that in my town; I just want something out of the norm.

A few posts ago donpisto asked about the fuse sizes for the Quantum Audio amp.  I don't have those, but i do have the size for the Hifonics bxi1606d:  two 80 amp fuses a piece.  Does this help me any? 

Now I have my mind set:  Fi BTL 15" & (2) Hifonics bxi1606d's to power it. (building my own box to spec).  

If I used the current calculator right, would i need about 223 amps of charging power just for these two amps (3200 watts @ 14.4 volts = 222.222...)?





Posted By: splaudio
Date Posted: November 23, 2007 at 6:57 PM

ok to clear things up on the quantum amps they are rated at peak not rms, half of peak is rms. another thing to remember quantum audio is a sister co to db drive. i carry both line so any questions hit me up at SPLaudio78@hotmail.com .

i wouldnt talk til you actually listen to a quantum amp they are great budget -ground pounder amps. only the ignorant talks about something they know nothing about...





Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 23, 2007 at 10:10 PM
<-- Not ignorant. Thanks.




Posted By: splaudio
Date Posted: November 24, 2007 at 2:42 PM

i got people breaking 140dbs of 1 12" and a 1500d  750rms $220 amp. i have sold quite a few and have had 0 problems.

not tring to bash you just ur slamming a product that you know nothing about. the amp you held was only 500rms. i only sell what i 100% believe in, i dont want returns or unhappy customers. if you want higher end db drive for the win but quantum audio is alot better than anything in it's price range i know of personally...





Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 24, 2007 at 2:58 PM
I think I'm still going with the Hifonics. My friend had a Hifonics amp and a MTX 7500 and it sounded great to me.

Was my calculation right for the amount of current draw from those amps?




Posted By: zhalverson
Date Posted: November 24, 2007 at 6:02 PM

No you were forgetting to include efficiency.  We'll call it 75 % efficient. So current draw will be 3200/14.4=223 amps, then 223/.75=298 amps!





Posted By: mcben789
Date Posted: November 25, 2007 at 5:25 PM
Oh ok.





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