phoenix gold ti 800.1 not hittin hard
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Topic: phoenix gold ti 800.1 not hittin hard
Posted By: kurray
Subject: phoenix gold ti 800.1 not hittin hard
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 1:55 PM
I just recently upgraded from a PG ti600.2 to a PG TI 800.1 you would think it would be killin the subs right? No its not even as hard as the 600.2. I was wondering if anyone has had this problem. Im running two Stinger gel batteries and 0 gage wire so im getting the power back there its between14.4 and 17.5 volts. I have 2 JL w3 15"'s and i have them running @ 2ohms. i have been to a PG retailer no luck with them and i emailed PG but no responce yet. I have checked all my gains frequencies and any other button or switch you can think of. anyone got ides on whats wrong let me know.
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 5:06 PM
Moving from a 600 watt amp to an 800 watt amp (assuming you can believe those ratings) is not a significant increase. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 8:27 PM
You might notice an increase if you DOUBLED your power OR woofer cone area.
DYohn is right - 600 to 800 is not a huge jump. Be careful about over-driving your equipment trying to squeeze those last db's out of it!
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: November 15, 2007 at 8:37 PM
Yep, you won't (shouldn't) notice a gain by adding 200watts. What is the model #'s of the subs? How did you have the subs wired to the 2channel? How are they wired to the new 1channel? ------------- 2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
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Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 7:48 AM
its the same series amp same brand same model # it actuall supose to get 1100 @ 4ohms phoenix gold ti 600.2 titanium then new anmp is a phoenix gold ti 800.1 titanium
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 7:52 AM
oh and the subs are W3 dual 2 ohm im running them @ 2 ohms on the new 800 mono amp . i had them bridged on the old amp running @ 2 ohms
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 8:23 AM
kurray wrote:
oh and the subs are W3 dual 2 ohm im running them @ 2 ohms on the new 800 mono amp . i had them bridged on the old amp running @ 2 ohms
Ah, then you are probably used to listening to clipping and now you are hearing a clean signal. The PG ti600.2 is designed to be bridged into no less than a 4-ohm load, so if you bridged it into 2-ohms you were most likely clipping pretty hard assuming it stayed on and did not go into protection. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 8:34 AM
I was running the 600pg 2 ohm stereo though. so no clipping or ,cutting off I have ran the titanium amps @ 1 ohm a few times and they still hold up long as it on stereo. I wouldnt advise it though. Could there be something wrong inside the amp?
Posted By: coppellstereo
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 12:28 PM
You are still only realizing a 200w increase. Nothing to write home about ...
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 1:50 PM
but its a pg! and i run jl's in the black all the time. maybe i need to be more clear I put the pg ti400.2 on it and its louder than the 800.1 what could be the problem its not performining like it should i had @ 1200.1 and it was insane i tell ya
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 2:32 PM
There's nothing special about Phoenix Gold that makes it different from any other amp... look, if you think the system is not functioning correctly I suggest you go back to the shop where you bught the amp and ask that they check your setup and test the amp if necessary. That'll tell you if it is defective or if you have a setup issue, or maybe that you are simply expecting too much. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 2:36 PM
theres nothing special about a pg titanium, amp? for real? ummmm yeah, okay no help here well it was worth a try.
Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 2:40 PM
Uhhhh, how are you "running your JLs in the black all the time" when the black on your subs is 800 WRMS and you were putting 300 WRMS to each sub?
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Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 2:58 PM
I smell ebay. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 2:59 PM
kurray wrote:
theres nothing special about a pg titanium, amp? for real?
For real. Mid-line average quality at best. ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 3:03 PM
had some W015's 125-150rms was putting 300 RMS to each and they held up okay sure the wires to the terminals broke loose but the speakers was still kickin. was speaking past meaing i have put way over the limit to jls before sure everyone has there own taste im saying i like the JL's and the titaniums have not done me wrong in the past just wondering why this ones being a a#% W3 are only "500 watts" rms very under rated . 2ohm load on the subs when bridged
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 3:06 PM
okay im open to ideas name me a few quality amps u think will do the job.
Posted By: DYohn
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 3:57 PM
How much do you want to spend? Did you buy your amp from an on-line dealer or from a real store? ------------- Support the12volt.com
Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 4:03 PM
i got the amp from a friend but he said he hadnt used it in a year. im not trying to spend over $800.00 though
Posted By: aznboi3644
Date Posted: November 16, 2007 at 10:43 PM
I don't see how you said you have the same subs wired for 2 ohm mono on your amp now...but then again on your last amp had it wired for 2 ohm stereo...did you magically change the loads??
Posted By: jmelton86
Date Posted: November 17, 2007 at 2:45 PM
I don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to ohms and impedance loads on the amps. Here lies the problem. You could've been overloading the 600.2 while underloading the 800.1. What is the exact model # of your subs, and how many are you using. I think we need to start over from scratch here. ------------- 2013 Kia Rio -90a alternator
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Posted By: kurray
Date Posted: November 19, 2007 at 8:09 AM
2-JL 15" 15W3v2-D2
Posted By: dragon51
Date Posted: November 19, 2007 at 6:03 PM
Yes lets load your amps down wait till it clips and blow the amp, sounds good. It has already been stated that the amp you changed over to is not putting out much more power than your other amp. It takes twice the power to gain 3db of sound. One double the amp power or your cone area. Or you can get a custom box built for those speakers that might make a difference. It cost a good deal of money to play really loud. PG amps just don't put out the power they claim. Spend the money it takes if your after more bass. Then you will need to make a few change's to your charging system, take it from me I have fried 3 alternator's because I was over working them. Here are a few amps that will out perform your current amp. Yea they cost more but at the end of the day you get what you pay for. Notice they put out there power at 4ohms it's all the same. If you don't have the funds just be happy with what you have now work some over time then get one of them. You'll be a lot happier then. https://www.crutchfield.com/App/Product/Item/Main.aspx?showAll=N&g=120&i=13610001V2&c=3&tp=115&avf=N https://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product.php?model=PDX-1.1000
Posted By: mennitti
Date Posted: November 19, 2007 at 7:21 PM
My $.02 PG is not good quality at all anymore. We dropped the line at our store after the nightmare service issues with the Tantrum line. 10-15 years ago they were good. The amps are WAY over rated in their power output, the short-lived ti elite speaker line was WAY over rated in their power handling abilities. I had a trunk full of Tantrum amps which supposedly put out 1,724 watts. I replaced the amps after each one went back to service at least twice with Concept amps. Concept is a newer company created by the guy who used to design PG amps when they were good. The difference is no comparison. The amount of power the new amps put out is insanely more than what the PG claimed they did, and you can abuse the Concepts all you want without them ever overheating and going into protection. You should consider selling your amps on eBay and buying a decent brand name.
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