alpine type x speakers
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Topic: alpine type x speakers
Posted By: shagdrum
Subject: alpine type x speakers
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 4:42 AM
How are these speakers for sound quality? Are they worth the premium over the Type-R's? I am not talking about the subs, but the component speakers.
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Posted By: jersey_breeze
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 5:56 AM
This is the route I am trying to go, My friend has them they sound amazing richer bass than type-r which is what I had.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 6:32 PM
Thanks for the reply. Where can you get them? Crutchfield doesn't sell them, though they sell the Type-R's. No local shop around here that carries Alpine has any Type-R speakers in stock or on display.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 6:34 PM
sorry, ment to say "No local shop that carries Alpine has any Type-X speakers in stock or on display"
Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 8:15 PM
I carry all the Alpine components and all the JL components. In every price range the JLs smoke the Alpines.
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Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 8:32 PM
tcss]I wrote:
carry all the Alpine components and all the JL components. In every price range the JLs smoke the Alpines.
"Smoke" in what sense? I am looking for SQ, not overly concerned with SPL. Do you have a website?
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 8:36 PM
tcss] wrote:
I carry all the Alpine components and all the JL components. In every price range the JLs smoke the Alpines.
And that's not greasy kid's stuff.
The JL's are WAY better sounding components, even the ZR's which use a metal dome tweeter, and I am not fond of MDTs. Step down to the VR's, and they are SPECTACULAR sounding gear! (I can't tell you WHY they would call it a "step down", though... I think they are a much better sounding setup, so a "step UP", in this reviewer's opinion.) The C5-650 uses the woofer from the ZR, and the tweeter from the VR, and a recommendation will come in from DYohn, who only recently purchased a set for his wife's car. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: tcss
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 8:44 PM
Yes in an SQ set up the VR components are a great value. Better sound then the Alpine X at about $150.00 less.
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There is no such thing as free installation!
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 10:18 PM
The thing is, I will have a Alpine PDX-4.100 which will be pushin 100 watts RMS to these speakers. The Alpines can handle 100 watts RMS but the VR series (specifically, the VR650-CSi) call for around 60 watts RMS. This is in a 1996 mark VIII with stock 5x7 components. Even if I went to the ZR570-CSi 5x7 components, they only call for 85 watts RMS. For all you experts out there, am I overthinkin this, or is pumpin more RMS watts to these speakers then they are rated for truely a bad idea? Also, how do the ZR series sound? I kinda like the added range of the 5x7 components, but they are only in the ZR series.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 28, 2007 at 10:38 PM
haemphyst wrote:
tcss] wrote:
I carry all the Alpine components and all the JL components. In every price range the JLs smoke the Alpines.
And that's not greasy kid's stuff.
The JL's are WAY better sounding components, even the ZR's which use a metal dome tweeter, and I am not fond of MDTs. Step down to the VR's, and they are SPECTACULAR sounding gear! (I can't tell you WHY they would call it a "step down", though... I think they are a much better sounding setup, so a "step UP", in this reviewer's opinion.) The C5-650 uses the woofer from the ZR, and the tweeter from the VR, and a recommendation will come in from DYohn, who only recently purchased a set for his wife's car.
Quick question: MDT's? I assume Metal Dome Tweets? If so, what is the difference is sound from silk to MDT's? Also, are you recommending the C5 series stuff over the VR? Thanks in advance for any and all input.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 29, 2007 at 1:55 AM
What about the mid range Morel stuff? The Hybrid Ovation stuff? How does that compare to the Alpine and JL stuff?
Posted By: haemphyst
Date Posted: November 29, 2007 at 7:46 AM
shagdrum wrote:
Quick question: MDT's? I assume Metal Dome Tweets? If so, what is the difference is sound from silk to MDT's? Also, are you recommending the C5 series stuff over the VR? Thanks in advance for any and all input.
MDT = metal dome tweeter. Silk domes have a FAR smoother response in the highest registers, and overall a much more pleasing tone. Aluminum and titanium have very distinct ringing modes on both ends of their effective spectrums that I know *I* can hear the second I sit down in a car. Silk domes can be used with a slightly lower crossover point in many cases, and they don't advertise the fact that they are silk domes while doing so. I just think (as does MUCH of the audiophile world) that silk domes are a much better choice. My recommendation for the C5's? The C5's use the same woofer as the ZRs, but the silk-dome tweeter from the VR's. They also (help me here if I'm wrong, Bob and/or Dave...) completely re-designed the crossover, just for these systems.
shagdrum wrote:
What about the mid range Morel stuff? The Hybrid Ovation stuff? How does that compare to the Alpine and JL stuff?
Having never heard the Ovation gear, but having used the raw Morel stuff (Israeli sourced - the ORIGINAL Morel - not the US produced stuff of today) for years, I love it... The US produced stuff (all of the car audio stuff - including Ovation) seems to be as good as I remember, but I can't speak for across the board. Sorry I can't give a more concrete answer than that. ------------- It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 29, 2007 at 6:08 PM
Thanks, haemphyst, thats what I wanted to know. Another possible issue, I have been looking at the < color=#123476>Phoenix Gold Ti6 Comp Elite (midranges and tweeters manufactured by Morel Israel, based off the Elate line, and the crossover made in the USA by Phoenix Gold), basically cheap Morels. The think is, they say 300w RMS! I figure I could get an Alpine-PDX 4.150 and bridge it to two channels, which the literature on the amp says will produce 300w RMS @4 ohms, perfect. My question is about rear fill. I could put some 6x9's but at best they would be getting half as much power as that is all they could take (assume PDX-2.150). Will there be a huge descrepency in volume from front stage to rear fill? Are there any drawbacks to this, or not? Also, on the JL audio stuff. If I went with an Alpine PDX-4.100, the four speakers would be seein' 100 watts RMS. All the JL stuff (VR,C5, ZR) are rated at anywhere from 60-85 watts RMS. Would this be any issue? If so, would there be a way around this issue? (If you can't tell, I am wanting to stick with the Alpine PDX series of amps.) Again, thanks in advance for the help! It's really appriciated.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 6:43 AM
anyone?
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 9:19 PM
I just picked up those phoenix golds your talking about, they are right here beside me, they are in fact Morel Elate 6's, with a phoenix gold crossover, for the $300 apparently this is the best system $300 can by, however, do not run more that 150 watts per side as people have had issues over 200 per side. Minimum to get them going would be 100 rms each side.
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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 9:53 PM
I thought they were rated at 300 watts RMS? Are they rating them combined?
Posted By: stevdart
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 10:06 PM
Speakers are power rated per unit that would be connected to one channel, not combined as pairs of components. Amplifiers are rated per channel, and it is the match of amplifier to speaker that is looked at.
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Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 10:24 PM
Thanks for the replies. What about the rear fill issue? The only rating I can find for the PG Elites is 300 watts RMS. Alpine guys says thats divided between the two (I assume). And stevdart says that they are 300 each. Hmmm...
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 10:37 PM
They technically are 300 wrms per side, BUT, they don't handle it very well, well... the woofers can, but there has been reports of the tweeters letting loose over 150 wrms per side, I bet they are crossed over pretty low.
As for rear fill, just pick up a coaxial speaker, you really don't want to hear them, they are meant for your passengers, or if your doing a surround system to watch or listen to 5.1 dvd's
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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 10:50 PM
Thanks! I needed that cleared up. The only place I can find them at is woofersetc.com. Any other locations to buy? What about some reviews, more info on these? I searched a few other forums and people were saying "needs LOTS of power", "250 RMS or better". So I am curious if the woofer would underperform at 150 RMS. Some people also said you need to deaden the door real well... If you could point me in the right direction on these, links, reviews, ect, and/or let me know your experience with these as you use them, It would be a big help, as I am changing out the components in my doors at the start of the new year and have always wanted Morels. These are VERY appealing to me, just want as much info as I can get. Thanks again!
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 10:56 PM
Check out www.caraudioforum.com , there a pretty largely discussed speaker over there, thats where I found out about them.
I purchased mine from Woofersetc, they were here in less than a week, and good packaging.
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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: shagdrum
Date Posted: November 30, 2007 at 11:06 PM
Thanks!! Let me know what you think after you install them!
Posted By: Alpine Guy
Date Posted: December 01, 2007 at 2:53 PM
I wont be installing them till spring I bet, I still need an amp and need to build kick panel enclosures. It's -20 celcius here already and we have about 2 feet of snow, so I don't think much will happen till the snow melts.
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2003 Chevy Avalanche,Eclipse CD7000,Morel Elate 5,Adire Extremis,Alpine PDX-4.150, 15" TC-3000, 2 Alpine PDX-1.1000, 470Amp HO Alt.
Posted By: cael
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 10:14 PM
hey guys... I am running All Alpine gear in my ride and WOW i dont care what you say... Sound Quality and loudness, there is no comparison from any other car i have been in. I have 6.5" Type X 17PRO in the front and 17REF in the rear with a PDX4.150 powering them and a Alpine Type X 12 with PDX 1.1000 powering it all running off the 9861E Head Unit All up cost me about AUD$3k but it was worth it!
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