Modding Avic-N1/N2 Nav DVD’s

I have extensively looked online for any modding/******* to the navigation dvds for the  popular Pioneer Avic series navigation systems but I have found none. 

I have successfully changed the boot image though.  I have done this by making a iso image of the dvd on my hard drive and then using a iso editing tool like Ultraiso 7 ME to pluck out the BGOPEN.JPG default bootscreen file and then replacing it with a custom one that has the same name and resolution size of 500x240.  I then reburn the dvd on a dual layer dvd, reboot the nav system with the new disc inserted (press reset) and poof!  my bootscreen is no longer saying Pioneer, but looks like this :

I am also going to try to replace the default background images,do some performace gauges customization, and insert some new alarm sounds into my nav dvd.

What I would like to really do is strip the maps off of the N2 DVD and try to and I have to say *try* to insert them onto a N1 firmware Nav DVD so that we can have the best of both worlds (updated maps and still not suffer from the movie lockout while in motion) Any donations of copies of the N2 DVD's would surely be appreciated.

If anyone has any more tricks, please share them.

Pete

2000 Impala LS

nice.

I just made my default customized performance screen.  It's kinda basic, but of course its just a test of what is capable in this Nav modding.

Now if I could just figure out how to make this N-1 read mp3 encoded data DVD's.  Anyone try this yet?  That would be bling bling baller to have a dual layer dvd with over 8 gigs of your favorite mp3's, eh?

I'm gonna try a crystal clear version of this to see if I can see the wallpaper image behind the face of this template.

One can overcome the movie lockout with the N2, but I have an N1 and for N1 owners, there is no bypass that I am aware of that allows us a way around when we load a updated N2 firmware map dvd.

**UPDATE**  Important information:

How would you like to make copies of your map DVD's with just a single layer dvd instead of a dual layer dvd?

This is done by removing all of the point of interest (POI) crap that most of us do not use.  There is almost 4 gigs of this stuff on the original disc.

I just did it and I stored it to a dvdrw and it works perfectly!  Address routing is not affected either. (unless its a POI and you are searching for a POI name to match an address, duh)

Once again it does require two software packages and a knowledge of iso file parsing (reading)

You need:

1. UltraIso 7

2. Nero (or some other dvd finalizing software that accepts the .iso file extension.)

3. You have to have at least 8 gigs or so free room on your hard drive...

open Ultraiso and make an ISO of the Map DVD you would like to backup on your hard drive.

after that is done, go for a look a folder in the iso that you saved called "IDX"

I removed the following files without adversly affecting my settings here in Iowa nor does it error out the nav system, it just blanks out that portion of features on the choices on the POI menu.

Here they are:

POIDT004.IDX

POIDT043.IDX

POISR201.IDX through POISR207.IDX

and that strips off 2.47 gigs of stuff that is not needed for standard ops.

I then saved the modified ISO and then burned it using Nero. 

Just as a note-  I suffered some errors trying to burn the disc from Ultraiso, so just save it and open Nero seperately to burn the image.

please give it a try and let me know how it works for you!

Now if I could only figure out  how to play mp3's from a DVD on this thing!

**Update**  I have found that some routing and addressess cannot be found after removing some of those files.  I will have to poke around and probably end up removing the other languages from the disc to make it fit.  I found spanish and french (for Canada) on the disc.

ARRRRGH! I hate Internet Exploder!  This is the third time I am writing this as the darn popup blocker keeps erasing my post!

It took me from registering my unit in October 2004 until April 2005 to get my updated CNDV-40MT Version 1.2 software.  It crashed my brainbox after a supposed sucessful update and I had to exchange it out at Bestbuy to get rolling again.  I am scared of using that disc again man.....

Since then I have found a DOS mode workaround that will let me reflash it without swapping or opening anything.  I thank whoever submitted this in some other forum:

steps to flash back the n1 software follows:
Please note, I do not take responsibility if you mess up your nav system. (when the nav is flashing the firmware, make sure theres no power outtage, etc.)

HOLD Eject, Press Reset button.
Screen will go in, and come back out with a black screen and a message about pressing the reset button.
you can releae the Eject button.
now enter the code using your joystick (the control on the right) push UP, Right, UP, Right, Down, Right, Down, Right, then Press in the joystick.

Now you should be in the menu, theres 3 pages of options, the 2nd page should have the option of force flash.

I forgot about what I did.. but I reset the memory, reset whatever info.. which shouldn't be necessary.

Please note that you'll need a remote to have it start programming/flashing procedure. for the voice command steering wheel remote, its the button on the lower left.

Thanks wrecklesswun for the 50MT n2 dvd information- hope you got my private post to you

I believe all the firmware lies in the root directory.  If one can compare all three versions of the disc (40m, 40mt, 50mt)  I am sure the firmware file will show its head with little difficulty.  I have found that for every update, there is a .htm file to show the revision of the file(s) that were changed or that have a revision number.

EU040APL.PRG

UC040GPS.PRG

UC040SYS.PRG

For simplicity purposes, I'd have my deck reset and programmed with the first revision of the firmware.

Using the reduced file version (with poi's removed) so it can be burnt to a dvdrw, I would sub out each one of these files with a newer version until my head unit reported that it was reflashing firmware and viola!  you should have isolated the firmware file and have a name to go with its ugly face.

As long as the updated data files are not encoded differently, which I doubt, the old program files (.prg) should be able to read them.  I just have an issue with the possibility of the renaming of the data files in the newer version whereas the .prg files would not know which to read nor where to find them.

Geez! Come on Pioneer!  Give us the SDK!  That way, I could make a timer for the performance gauges and you could compute quarter mile speeds and times very accuarately!

Why can't some of this stuff be considered open source?

That's exactly how I'd start it.

OK- the executable files are these:

1.    EU040APL.PRG   Purpose:???

2.    UC040GPS.PRG   Purpose: Dragon chip driver.  I looked up to see what this may be and I found two references what this may be:

           a. Dragon speech recognition software

           b. Dragon is a Chinese developed MIPS processor

3.    UC040SYS.USA   Purpose:  Navigation operating system

I would try subbing each one of these one at a time by removing the new file and replacing it with the old one, but renaming it to the new version's name.

Then run each one to see which one causes the cutout of the nav/dvd features while in motion.

Thanks for trying it out, I appreciate the effort.

By the way I downloaded a copy of that Audio dvd creator  and that program is sweet!  I can't even imagine how much music I could fit on a dual layer dvd!  I estimate it around 60 hours at 160kbps. That is nutz!  I only used 1.5 gigs on a dvd and it gave me over 14 hours of nonstop music with customizable graphics.

How Bling Bling is that?  Thanks for suggesting it man

ARRRRGGGHHH!  I hate Internet Exploder! It keeps erasing my post whenever it blocks a popup on this page!!!! (adding a smiley or previewing the post)

You can find your Serial Number on your original retail packaging (The BOX) fearx24.

Good luck with software modding.

hey guys, sooooo new to this stuff, didnt even know you can mod these things....first off i got an AVIC-N!

i got a simple question and i am sure someone can help me with this, u guys seem like geniuses!  hahaha...

i am trying to make a dvd of MUSIC VIDEOS that i downloaded from LIMEWIRE, they are just video files...

i burn them to a DVD and when i put it in my avic-n1, it doesnt read the DVD but when i play it at home in my DVD player, it works, and the main screen is basically just a list of the dvd's like files.....

i used NERO EXPRESS to burn the dvd and if i remember correctly i used the "burn files to DVD" and it obviously wasnt accepted on my avic.....so what am i supposed to do?  any help would be greatly appreciated!

If you rename the files "UC010SYS.USA" and "UC040SYS.USA"  with an extension of ".txt" you can use notepad to open the files.  In the UC010SYS.TXT file (it takes several minutes for the file to load) scroll about 2/3 the way down.  This is where the BIOS menu (all 4 pages) as far as entering the "PASSWORD" as well as formatting the SDRAM option.  Anyone know how to write code well enough to disable the auto BIOS update?

Great Job everyone poking around and tearing apart this software!  I have not been submitting any new news for a while, but that should change.  I will hopefully have a copy of the MT50 software in my hands in less than a week.  There appears to be much more software on the MT50 discs than in previous versions so it will be a tiring process, but we will succeed in making a *PIMPED* version of the software yet and we can thumb our noses at Pioneer.

I have gotten the N1 to read all formats of all DVD's and cdr's/cdrw's although I cannot vouch for the -DL's as I have yet to see one.  I agree with ya sush1a on the verbatim's +DL's  I have yet to find a better one on the market. 

Kudos for you all working on the xm graphics!  I hope you are successful in your modification.

Wow!  We are coming along here guys!  So far we have :

1. succesfully changed the boot/startup screen

2. Successfully made a single layer dvd test disc format to check our handiworks before we submit them to the much more expensive dual layer format.

3. open .pim files in photoshop for viewing (hopefully soon with color)

4. a working XM logo mod.

Great work guys!  In the future, we will have to have a webhost for us to share all of our creations on so we can combine our individual handiworks to make that *pimp* version of the OS.  Either that or we can set up some snail mail trading of dvd's.

Anyone else have any other interesting things cross their mind on other possible mods/hacks?  No matter how small, lets show Pioneer what we want this baby to do!  The sky is the limit!

So Ohlarikd can you give an example of the changes you did to the file?

When I use notepad, it looks like this:

XM Preview                                               The 40s          The 50s          The 60s          The 70s          The 80s            The 90s         

America          
(some characters did not map over and are represented by the "" character)

Are you just changing the text to reflect the new name and it works?

Pete

Awesome dude!  Thanks a lot  Jason for setting up a upload/forum.  Great idea man! 

Don't forget guys- if you make some custom wallpapers, maybe we can have a category for that on the site too!

Pete

If you open up a PIM file in IRFANVIEW, it has color options.  However, the colors seems to be a little bit off - as if there was some offset built in.  The header is definitely 16 bytes, and I see 2 bytes per pixel (from the hex dump).

So Photoshop seems to treat the RAW file as greyscale, but IRFANVIEW interprets color.  Maybe if we can try other Graphic apps, one of them will interpret the file correctly?

Derek

I haven't had a chance to resave them.  If the header data gets lost, I guess you can write it down and reenter it afterwards with a hex editor.  Its only 16 bytes, so its easy.  The rest is pixel data.

I am still not convinced that any of the RGB choices is correct.  In particular, if you import 'wood', it doesn't look quite right.  Close, but off.  I think we need a RAW input program that allows user definable bit patterns.  I am still not sure how 3967h translates into white. 

Also - Irfanview doesn't allow drawing, so we need that.  But at least we are getting close to understanding the structure.  I will keep searching for a RAW input program that allows complete customization.

Derek

Also, there are a lot of backgrounds on the DVD that are not D1 options.  I wonder, if you put those background PIMs into the same directory of the ones that work, would we see them?  Guess I'll butn another DVD-RW!  RW rules.

Derek

Well I have been tooling around with the 50MT discs i have gotten from a unamed party (thank you!) and I removed all the .PRG files and put the 40MT .PRG files on it.  No maps.  All I get is a turquoise background.  I am not messing around here with the single layer discs either, but making whole images on DL DVD's just to make sure there are NO anomalies.  Back to the drawing board.  There was no reflashing either after the swap, so I will revert the navigation OS .PRG file(s)  to the original new versions and see what strange anomalies await me now....

Peter

Ballerinstaller wrote:

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I have extensively looked online for any modding/hacking to the navigation dvds for the  popular Pioneer Avic series navigation systems but I have found none. 

I have successfully changed the boot image though.  I have done this by making a iso image of the dvd on my hard drive and then using a iso editing tool like Ultraiso 7 ME to pluck out the BGOPEN.JPG default bootscreen file and then replacing it with a custom one that has the same name and resolution size of 500x240.  I then reburn the dvd on a dual layer dvd, reboot the nav system with the new disc inserted (press reset) and poof!  my bootscreen is no longer saying Pioneer, but looks like this :

I have DVD Decrypter and CloneDVD2 are you aware if these iso ware is capable of doing this. I take what you are doing is deleting that file taking photoshop and making a picture saving it as the BGOPEN.JPG on the iso image. I would like to make mine look similair to yours wilth the YAMAHA  logo in the middle Alpinestar logo in a corner Suomy logo in the other corner on the bottom corner the Yamaha tuning forks logo and the Sidi logo in the other corner. If you could guide me in what to use to create this I would certainly appreciate it. Did you use the 1.2 version if so did affect your bypass mod. Thanks in advance.

I am also going to try to replace the default background images,do some performace gauges customization, and insert some new alarm sounds into my nav dvd.

What I would like to really do is strip the maps off of the N2 DVD and try to and I have to say *try* to insert them onto a N1 firmware Nav DVD so that we can have the best of both worlds (updated maps and still not suffer from the movie lockout while in motion) Any donations of copies of the N2 DVD's would surely be appreciated.

If anyone has any more tricks, please share them.

Pete

2000 Impala LS

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OOhhh I had fun today reflashing my N1 as another revision of my modded nav discs did not work.

The purpose of this post is to further explain the reflashing procedure and other operation buttons.

Sush1a   Initially gave me the info on how to do this and now I give you the information to make it even easier.

You do not need a remote, at least not on my N1.  I just used the POS button on the bottom of the foldout screen to initiate the flash procedure and the BAND button acts as a BACK button.  Read on to see the whole procedure.

This works on my AVIC N1 so I believe that the buttons that I am about to speak of using will also map over to all other units too.

Unit should be on and do not interrupt power until flashing has completed or you will be sending unit back to manufacturer for Jtagging.  Unit will indicate when reflashing has completed.

I am not to be held liable for any damage to your unit and any of this information put forward is strictly for sheer enjoyment.

1.  Eject any DVD's /CD's from unit

2. HOLD EJECT and at same time press the reset button with toothpick or other tiny instrument.

3.  Keep holding the EJECT button as screen will cycle in and out. As screen comes back out, you can release the eject button.

4.  If all of this has been done successfully up to this point,  you should be staring at a screen that says in black and white "Press Reset Button"  DO NOT press the reset button or you will be doing steps 1-3 again.

5. Now this is the time to enter the code sush1a has provided us. While staring at the monitor screen with the message on it,  now use the Joystick to enter the following movements:

UP   RIGHT   UP   RIGHT   DOWN   RIGHT   DOWN   RIGHT    PRESS IN JOYSTICK  and you should be rewarded with a screen that  has some red in it and dissappears quickly and is replace by one that looks like this:

Use the Joystick  and press it to the right once to navigate to next screen:

Choose option #6 by pressing down on the joystick until option #6 is highlighted.

Now press the joystick in to select this option.

You should see this screen:

For most of us, we will be choosing #1, #2 and #3 and obviously not at the same time.

Next we need to insert the NAV DVD that we want to force flash from.  Make sure it is clean and the right version!

Now it will prompt you with a option of what drive to flash from.  Logic dictates that we will be choosing the DVD ROM Drive.

If you try to start the flash by pressing in the joystick, you are wrong.  As sush1a indicated, you can use the /FUNCTION/ button on your remote to initiate this OR as with my N1, You can press the green POS button (middle button on bottom of folding screen).

Watch the data % and do not interrupt power until reflashing indicates complete!  My unit stopped responding after completing task, so you may need to re-enter service mode again and again to reflash all portions of the OS on your N1/N2.  I cycled power and Ba BOOM!  it reset, re-initialized and pow!  Not even a waypoint or the calibration file was touched.

Here is a file version screenshot for you hAckerS out there:

Sorry for the long post!

Thanks for the APL040.prg tip,  I will try it over the weekend

Awesome dude! Congrats cracking the .PIM  Do you have a motion .PIM solution too?

Gotta go find another retailer for dual layer dvd's. Sprawlmart discontinued them here in Iowa.

Worstbuy has some, but who wants to buy a cakebox of 25 for $50?

Well, something is up with the gray colors, they tend to turn up with slight coloration, making photos look odd.  Still working on understanding how the AVIC handles these things.  We've even seen transparency occur (you can see the Navigation map running behind the AV background).

Those DLs are expensive.  I did worse, about $30 for 10.  Anyway, order them online - much cheaper if you can wait.  Looks like you have your hands full with the N1.  The D1 doesn't seem to have any issue with the bypass and the new 1.2 version.

Derek

free_refil wrote:

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Here is the ISO for the v1.2 East Coast DVD

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Since neither of these are currently being seeded, would you consider uploading them to a newsgroup like Pioneer.discussion? I just checked it, and there's only 13 messages posted (mostly spam), so I think that would be great substitute for bittorent.

I just installed an N1 in my Monte and am looking forward to some good hacking!

I Dunno what may be wrong man.  I am using Ultraiso 7 media edition and Nero 6.6.0.16 and I have burned like 12 dvd's with different file combinations to see if I can bypass that sappy "no video viewing while car is in motion" stuff and I had no read errors.

Hmmm you guys found and matched my results exactly.  I also was able to sub out the 010apt from 40mt while  keeping the original 50mt  040APL and unit still suffered from the lockout, but software still at least worked.   I have a friend that is good at hexing things and he said that a 4meg file can't be too complicated and so maybe he could hex it and eliminate the call to monitor the gyro or gps.

Anyone have a 100% proven knowledge what sensor or sensors are monitored?  I am at the point of disassembling my unit and finding if the n-1 can have the resistor mod done to it.

Now if Pioneer says that the N-1 and the N2 are architectually the same unit, just different software, that R197 mod should essentially be able to do both units, although I believe the N-1 lacks a little window with a silver sticker over it.  This means I'm gonna have to clear off my ESD table, get the static wrist strap out, and tear into my head unit.

This would not be the first time I opened my head unit.  I had an issue after installing some neon lights, which by the way had nothing to do with the stereo so don't ask me how it messed it up. 

I blew the ground open on the RCA's.  Yup, it did not sound good.  There were a bunch of bleeps, pops and the music sounded like it was an echo.

I measured the sleeves of the rca's to the chassis and they were a 200kohm open so I tore into it.  I found the culprit of the open in the bottom half of the unit on the tiny riser PCB that the rca's plug into.  I had to desolder the card from the chassis and on it was a tiny black pachage that had a FZ denotion next to it. (aha! a fuse!!!)  and I measured across it and wow, it had chassis ground  on one side and the rca ground on the other.  I replaced the part with aother smt fuse of similar amperage (I don't have a clue what the original part's specs were)

I do not suggest to open up your unit to work on it.  It is a very complicated device.  I only merely did it as I possess the knowledge on how to solder smt components, along with paste solder, flux, and a special heat gun (soldering irons can do more damage!!!)

I am going to further investigate on the web to see if anyone has tried the r197 mod on a N1 series unit before I tear into the compexities of my unit.

I would suggest while you have it open, to note the processor it uses.  Once this is found, i can almost bet if the binary is not encrypted, that we can disassemble the program.  Once this is done, i am thinking again from a vb programmer standpoint. that:

if sensor_pulses > 0 then disable_video watching   <--- or consider this

at the boot sequence, on the n1,n2 etc it is checking for this r197, so change the logic of this check to say always positive, so that soldering is not necessary. so in this case...

if r197 = soldered (true) then donotexecute_videocheck else execute_videocheck

does this make sense ?  I have IDA pro (Interactive disassembler) and some people i work with who do nothing but embedded software all day long.

The only info needed is the processor being used.  And to be safe, maybe inventory all the different chips which may look like processors, and it may offload tasks to other chips etc,

i was merely suggesting that the kwi format has some logic to it in the sense that if you replaced just the map data and kept all the program files, the dvd works, boots etc, plays video, but when you try to nqavigate to a place, it never knows how to.  The other confusing thing is when you goto search for new addresses in t he new database, previously known not to be found in the old database, it works.

Well I know that the N1 can load N2 software.  I have swapped it a dozen times working on a fix.  What fun it is to reflash that many times!  I am afraid I am going to wear out my flash chip!

also for this:

Anyone have a 100% proven knowledge what sensor or sensors are monitored

I think someone else said the speed sensor and gyros are monitored

The next time I take my N1 apart, I am gonna take pictures of every part, heck I will SCAN them on my scanner.  Then anyone with a N2 (perhaps a fried one)  take that sucker apart and do the same so we can compare the arcitecture and perhaps we can find that elusive R197 or a derivative of the sorts.

Wow that was quick!  your radamadidio must be easy to remove.  Geez, it would take a half hour to get to mine.

Well take some hi-res pics of the mainboard, front and back.  If you got a scanner, please scan both sides.

What I would be looking for is if I can get a hires scan of a N2 board, it is going to be somewhat different than our N1 boards, but if I can see where the R197 traces originate from on the N2, we could theoretically find the pins of the same chip on the N1 board and put a jumper in for the N1.  Catch my drift?

Most digital cameras have a closeup mode.  It is usualy depicted on the camera as a icon of a flower and is called "Macro" mode.  I'd prefer scanners as I have had good luck scanning the artwork of many boards that way.  Thanks for all the help.

free_refil wrote:

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I don't know where you're talking about. They'll need 12.7GB of space for me to up both CD's and plenty of bandwidth to serve it to everyone who wants it. Sorry for my seeding dropping in and out, it's been solid for the first few days I was upping but I'm gettin' pissed that nobody is continuing to seed. If it's just this few people that need it we should be able to rely on those few people realizing the need for other seeders. Oh well, let me know if you know a place that'll host the 12.7GB.

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That's why I suggested using a newsgroup instead. You post it once and that's it. No keeping connected to seed, etc. I use Giganews, and their current advertised retention is well over 90 days for binaries, over a year for text. The newsgroup I suggested is a dead group with only a handfull of spam messages, making it ideal to post in. If and when I ever get the torrent to finish, I will through it into WinRAR and post it there (pioneer.discussion).

Both torrents are located here: https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3447429.

I will be posting this, and the CNDV-40 v1.2 images to the pioneer.discussion newsgroup once I'm done downloading the torrent. For everyone trying to get the torrent, I am 96% done with disc 1 and 84% done with disc 2. However, when I will actually finish them is a mystery. I've dedicated my up and down speeds to these two torrents since the 27th, but with the peers coming and going, it's taking a very, very long time.

explor202 wrote:

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Both torrents are located here: https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3447429.

I will be posting this, and the CNDV-40 v1.2 images to the pioneer.discussion newsgroup once I'm done downloading the torrent. For everyone trying to get the torrent, I am 96% done with disc 1 and 84% done with disc 2. However, when I will actually finish them is a mystery. I've dedicated my up and down speeds to these two torrents since the 27th, but with the peers coming and going, it's taking a very, very long time.

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Sorry, I meant seeds coming and going. I wish I could edit my posts!!

It's there, I think you just need a decent newsprovider. I checked Google Groups and don't see it either.  Both Giganews and  Newscene carry it though. Many newsproviders carry free trials, so it might be worth it to join one just to grab these files and then cancel it. I have finally completed my download of disc 1, and am 96% done with the other. However, there's no seeds again, so who knows how much longer it will be.

**UPDATE**   For all you N1 owners that want the new maps, and not have the lockout, I got the new map from the 50MT disc to work on the 40MT ver 1.2 software disc!!!!   All I did was copy the ALLDATA.KWI over from the new disc to the old disc (and of course I removed the old version of the file!)  This will not work on the original release ver 1.0 software.   I had to downgrade two firmwares in my unit to do this: Application and System OS.  The new maps come right up.  THIS MAP DISC IS A SINGLE LAYER VERSION BETA.  I cannot route presently as I do not have the POID and POISR files on here.  I will give it a try right now  by burning a dual layer.  Wish me luck! ( Otherwise I may have wasted a good DL DVD!)

For some of the best prices on DL discs, check out TigerDirect.com

https://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Catid=1769

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MB86291A
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NEC Japan
D705103GM-180
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0421EX040

is what i got from another site...

POIDT001.IDX----POIDT028.IDX  are used for street address indexes

POIDT029.IDX---POIDT042.IDX are freeway indexes

POIDT043 are your point of interest files.

I see now the diference between the formats of the old and new dvd's.  The new version will be much faster due to the way the index files are made. The index files have their records more compact as they have much space removed when compared to the old version.  You can see the difference by comparing the old and new "INDEXDAT.KWI" files.

I did waste a DL dvd.  The nav would work, but I had to be within 5 miles of intended destination for it to map properly.  I copied the IDX folder carrying all the nav guidance indexes from the 50 series disc to the 40 series ver1.2 and will see when I go to work today if that works.

Gotta pay for them.  If you are going to do that, you may as well buy the CNDV60 so you have the most recent

cboldman wrote:

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Hey guys. I have been running the 40MT discs version 1.2

Pioneer sent me a few updates, but this is the most recent disc. If I call pioneer will they send me the 50MT discs or will I have to pay for them?

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Of course it will work in your avic, Pioneer makes everything backwards compatible.  It will not turn your old avic into an n3 though.  It will give the N1 and N2 the same mapping and navigation improvements as the N3 has.

As far as the 50mt disks turning your n1 to an n2, that is true with the exception you won't be able to watch video while moving or use most of the navigation functions while in motion (unless you have the voice recognition.)

cboldman wrote:

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Ok. I was under the impression that we dont yet know if the news V60 discs will operate in the older AVIC's? My understanding is that if I purchase the 50MT discs, this will upgrade my unit to and AVIC N2.

If I purchase the V60 discs will this upgrade my unit to and N3?

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No luck with the kwi files yet.  I'd stay away from changing the amount of memory in the unit as the main program will probably have to be modified to accomodate the extra memory as all the stack pointers and the memory map would have to be changed.  I did not look to see if the part is a SMT or a BGA either.  The firmware does make reference to a memory card slot.  Anybody know about if a card slot exists inside of this machine or perhaps a open connector for additional memory may be connected through another device?

I know that present memory devices have grown exponentially and outfitting this unit with a gig of memory is now a reality.  Who knows?

Some info I found...

https://www.cadillacfaq.com/faq/answers/pdf/nav-dvd-structure.pdf

I am seeding the west disk.

Here is the datasheet on the processor in the N1. Its not the UPD705103 buts its the same family. There are no datasheets on the UPD705103 that I could find.  I will be working on disassembling some files on the 50Mt version as soon as I can get some time. I would really like to figure out how to disable the lockout as well as read and edit POIs and map data. Anyone that is able the help on this feel free.

https://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/7001/NEC/UPD705102.html

NEC's  V830 seams to be the core instruction set. Here is some more info on this....

https://www.ee.nec.de/_pdf/U10064EJ3V0UM00.PDF

As far as I know it should work in the N2. Not sure about the bypass however. Give it a shot. If it doesnt work, downgrade back. Any chance of putting up the CNDV-60M west coast disk on a torrent?

scarface78 wrote:

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I don't have it yet ... i was about to get them from PIONEER ... that's why i want to know if CNDV-60M will work with Avic-N2 and if it won't mess up my BYPASS ... Also i know there is DOWNGRADE available for AVIC-n1 but i didn't hear about DOWNGRADE for AVIC-n2 ... so i would like to know before i install it or buy it.

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Have you tried the same routine for the N2 as the N1? It should be the same. Try to get into the factory service menu the same way its done on the N1. You should be able to.

I got the CNDV-50MT Europe disk now. If anyone needs this I will start a torrent. From what I understand this disk will not lock you out while driving. I will see what I can find out.

Datwo, i can test that ...if you can zip up all the files only in the root directory of the dvd and email it to me.

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What Avic are you using software 60 on ... i just bought copies of CNDV-60MP East and West ... i just want to make sure before i INSTALL it ... that it WON't DISABLE my Video Lockout BYPASS on my AVIC-N2

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As promised... Pioneer CNDV-50MT EW A (Europe AVIC-X1(R))

Torrent At: https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3457486

This is in .rar format so the download is way smaller (Only 3 gigs verses almost 8) Also their tracker seams to be having some issues so if you guys cant connect, please contact me and I will move it to a different tracker.

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yEAH ITS to mouch for you to pay $50 for PIRATED copy but you don't mind getting PIRATED COPY for free right ... ok if you against Pirated Copies then wait for it from PIONEER and pay $275 coz that's how much they will charge you.

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When you can explain to me why you deserve $50 for someone else's work then maybe we will think about it. I do not support pirating for financial gains. This is what you are doing. Getting a copy for your own personal use is one thing but turning around and selling it for profit is another. You wont be getting any money from me.

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scarface78 wrote:

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yEAH ITS to mouch for you to pay $50 for PIRATED copy but you don't mind getting PIRATED COPY for free right ... ok if you against Pirated Copies then wait for it from PIONEER and pay $275 coz that's how much they will charge you.

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When you can explain to me why you deserve $50 for someone else's work then maybe we will think about it. I do not support pirating for financial gains. This is what you are doing. Getting a copy for your own personal use is one thing but turning around and selling it for profit is another. You wont be getting any money from me.

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WHAT THE HELL you talking about man ... I SAID that I BOUGHT COPY for $50 ... I didn't say THAT I WANT TO SELL IT for PROFIT ... i just said ... if PEOPLE want it so BAD ... they can do what i DID ... go SEND the E-Mail to this guy and ALSO BUY IT FROM HIM ... where did you get your story about me trying to make PROFIT ...... ?????

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OK, I see it isn't you that was trying to sell it. That still doesnt change how I feel on the subject. I wont be giving anyone money for a "copy" of software. If it was for the cost of the disk and postage then that's a different story but I wont pay for the actual software.

Really its a moot point that you bought the disks. If you are happy then I guess I will be happy for you. And as for giving the software away free or charging, both are wrong however look at it from this perspective. Why should he be paid $50 for them as well? Now, when you do get the disks do you think you can put up a torrent with them? I will wait. I mean after all you got a good deal so pass on your savings please. I do agree with you that the disks are over priced and to be honest I feel you should be able to get updates at a nominal fee (Maybe $20 or so for at least 2 years) I mean Its not like they do a whole lot on changing the feature set. Its more of a map update. The funny thing is I installed the new 50MT version over my original 40MT and lost the street the goes to my house. Funny how an updated disk actually has incorrect  information that old version was just fine with. This is why I want an editor.  Also when pioneer decides that the product is at its end of life and doesnt make an update anymore then we will all be screwed. With an editor at least you can fill in the blanks on areas you will use it in.

Side note, has any programmer taken a look at the kiwi map format?

free_refil wrote:

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How the hell can you RAR up an 8 gig disk to 3 gigs????

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It really compresses well. The map data is like a big text file.

Here are the files needed to swap...if you can send me those files from the europe dvd, i can try by loading the firmware, but using the us discs

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I found the file that has the "CAUTION: this navi is soley...." Im not sure how it is referenced with the nav screen, i think im going to try and edit what it says and burn the files that are needed to a dvd-r and see what comes up if anything, anyone know the minimum files needed to get this thing booted up? TIA

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Don't bother. The file you will be editing is the navigation application firmware file. This would need to be flashed to the ROM before you would ever see a change. I wouldn't go editing a firmware image with a hex editor and flash it because one mistake and you may not be able to boot it back up. There appears to be 4 banks on the flash ROM for updates. each can be done individually.

CNDV60 disks work fine in an N2.  No change in bypass needed.  It will not give you enhanced ipod/xm, as that was part of the hardware change

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So I'm still lost, the 60 upgrade does work on the N2 without disabling the bypass?  And does it add the new enhanced iPod/XM interface that the N3 has?

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Its mandatory if you want to use functions while moving

wrecklesswun wrote:

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the next question i have is for the N2, using the 50mt discs, is it mandatory that the r197 jumper be installed? or just the brake wire grounded?

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I think that we may be on to something with the european firmware.  I had looked over the code and most files have a list of associated files for the version sewn into them.  You may need to hex the european firmware and change this list otherwise you may get that "Please insert proper disc" message.

Ciao

scarface78 wrote:

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I JUST INSTALLED  new Software CNDV-60M on my Avic-N2 ... everything works GREAT ... VIDEO/NAV BYPASS still WORKS GREAT ... New Software has UPDATED Icons and Colors looks Great.

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Any chance you can put it on a torrent now?

scarface78:

So where's the pics of your N2 showing the new N3 menus and functionality? 

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I just made my default customized performance screen.  It's kinda basic, but of course its just a test of what is capable in this Nav modding.

Now if I could just figure out how to make this N-1 read mp3 encoded data DVD's.  Anyone try this yet?  That would be bling bling baller to have a dual layer dvd with over 8 gigs of your favorite mp3's, eh?

I'm gonna try a crystal clear version of this to see if I can see the wallpaper image behind the face of this template.

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Did you ever have any luck with this? I'm dying to try it myself, but haven't found a suitable way of doing it.

Are you referring to the clear performance gauges or the mp3 functionality Explor202?

I gave myself the clear gauges and you really can't read the dials well and the mp3 dvd stuff has limited functionality by using a program called AudioDVD (version 1.9) is what I have used successfully to make audio dvd's.  I have gotten about 44 cd's on one dvd and that is not even a dual layer.  One cannot have more than 12 hours in one directory/folder and for some reason not all the media is used (only about 65% is burned) when you do make the disc.   All together I have gotten about 44 hours on a disc. The program has customizing of the fonts and background pictures so you can change them to suit your tastes.

Sorry, I was referring to the clear gauges. I've been experimenting with that too. I used M$ PictureIt last night to "extract" the three gauge faces, and will try to apply them to a blank back this weekend to see if it works.

I used AudioDVD too, but didn't load it with CD's. I loaded it with all the MP3's I have, and it seems to work just fine. While I haven't gone thru the entire disc, it appears to have burned over 400 MP3's without a problem. It took all day, but it works!

The N3 has the same amount of memory as the N1 and N2 so thats unlikely.  More likely something to do with the chipset for graphics.  Old one was never able to do XM full screen either but N3 does full xm and ipod

Datwo] wrote:

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illing to bet the reason that the ipod stuff doesnt work is due to the memory limit in the N1/N2.

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Looks like there are already tools to edit as well as view the maps on your computer. Take a look...

https://www.datawest.co.jp/seihin-jyouhou/map/pdf/KIWI-Format-Viewer-Jap.pdf

The company that creates the maps is... https://www.incrementp.co.jp/english/business.html (A division on pioneer). They are the ones that created this as a standard.  They have an app out called "Mapfan" that just might read this format.

Nope

jasonschwenk wrote:

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will any of these mods you guys are doing help to display both title and artist for sirius sat. when the screen is open on a n2? rather than just 8 characters? that would be priceless

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60MT USA West

https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3460922

Datwo] wrote:

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he N3 west disk will be on a torrent as soon as I have the full file. Special thanks goes to infinkc for this. Please do not beg him or me for the east disk. Hopefully we can do something with the new disk.

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Yeah but those are only copies.  You should never pay for anything that is copied or bootlegged.  You should have waited and eventually someone would have it for you to try out for free. 

There is still no solution on getting the 60MT to work on the N1 without affecting the bypass.  They are currently comparing all versions to see what has changed since the last version that still allowed the bypass (40MT v1.2).  They are also looking at the European version which has no such restrictions and trying to get that firmware to work with the USA maps.  These guys are making great progress and I'm sure we'll have a solution soon.  I just hope someone finds a bypass for the Z1 when it is released in a few days.  Can't wait!

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braddman

It was just mentioned that if will NOT allow for video while in montion. It still converts the firmware to the same thing it was with the AVIC-N2 software. They just said that they are going to try and hack the Euro firmware, which doesn't check for the bypass, and see if they can load it with the US maps. Read back the last 10 posts.

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Gotcha, thanks man. That's what I thought was going on. I wonder what happens if my speed sensor isn't connected. When I go to the status screen it says I have no speed pulse at all.

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Can You give me details on how to bypass the Avic n2 please

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braddman,

your speed pulse is only there to take over the duties of the GPS antenna when you don't have a signal.  Of course it's also there to send the pulse to the speedometer on the N1.  As far as we know it has nothing to do with the video lock-out.  That job is left to the GPS gyroscope.

john555,

AVIC-N2 lockout bypass:  Underneath the MAIN unit (not the hideaway) is a small silver sticker, peel this back.  There are two contacts with the label "R197".  Drop a bit of solder between these to connect them. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire.  This will let you watch DVDs and use Nav functions while in motion.  It will void your warranty if you purchased it from an authorized dealer but if you didn't , you don't have Pioneer's warranty so I guess it really won't matter.  Be careful soldering the pins.  Some people have damaged their units by melting the wax around the pins and having solder roll off and shorting other pins together.  Unless you are experience at soldering, you should probably take your N2 to a computer repair shop and have them do it for you.  Good luck!

Cali_pilot wrote:

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braddman,

your speed pulse is only there to take over the duties of the GPS antenna when you don't have a signal.  Of course it's also there to send the pulse to the speedometer on the N1.  As far as we know it has nothing to do with the video lock-out.  That job is left to the GPS gyroscope.

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That is weird, my speed pulse says 0 when i'm moving but the speedo in the N1 still works.

Cali_pilot wrote:

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braddman,

your speed pulse is only there to take over the duties of the GPS antenna when you don't have a signal.  Of course it's also there to send the pulse to the speedometer on the N1.  As far as we know it has nothing to do with the video lock-out.  That job is left to the GPS gyroscope.

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That is weird, my speed pulse says 0 when i'm moving but the speedo in the N1 still works.

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Does anyone know if there is any problems with upgrading the n2 with the 60 software, but using the 50 discs for your maps?

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I tried this tonight on my N1 after work (after I upgraded to the 60 software). It told me it was an invalid disc, and to install the appropriate disc. Plus, that would totally negate the reason for upgrading. The 60 maps are so much better it's not even funny.

Have you guys figured out whether or not the service manual procedures are the same for the N2 as they are for the N1.  I will be installing the N3 software sometime this weekend but if for some reason the installation messes up or my discs will not work properly, I would like to be able to install my N2 software again.  I'm just curious because when I had my N1 I burned the N2 software onto a Memorex DL DVD+R and I was able to install it but I was not able to map any routes.  At the time I didn't know about the service menu so I ended up having to purchase the N2 software.  I sold the N1, now I have the N2 and I would like to install the N3 software but I want to make sure the steps are the same for the service menu.  Anyone know? 

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Have you guys figured out whether or not the service manual procedures are the same for the N2 as they are for the N1.  I will be installing the N3 software sometime this weekend but if for some reason the installation messes up or my discs will not work properly, I would like to be able to install my N2 software again.  I'm just curious because when I had my N1 I burned the N2 software onto a Memorex DL DVD+R and I was able to install it but I was not able to map any routes.  At the time I didn't know about the service menu so I ended up having to purchase the N2 software.  I sold the N1, now I have the N2 and I would like to install the N3 software but I want to make sure the steps are the same for the service menu.  Anyone know? 

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Should be the same across all unit from N1 to N3 even the D1 style units because its handled in firmware.

Once you put the 60 software in, it upgrades the firmware so your 50 disks will not work anymore.  Just stick with the 60 software, mapping is much better and doesn't have any effect on the lockout

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Does anyone know if there is any problems with upgrading the n2 with the 60 software, but using the 50 discs for your maps?

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brad, did you get them from the piratebay.org?  If so, did you keep your downloader (bittorrent) open after you finished?  Because if not then you wouldn't be seeding...I'm assuming that you downloaded it from piratebay.

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I'm currently at 80% so I'll be seeding it soon.  According to my current download speeds I'll be done in less than 5 hours.  I'm getting most of my speeds (about 30 kB/s) from 71.34.75.XX.  Thanks, whoever you are!  I'll seed it as long as people need it and I've got a 256 kB/s upload so it should speed up quite a bit.

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I completed my download and burning DVD now.  I checked "seed indef." but it shows "share ratio 101%" and seems to be no activity.  What can I do?  I have plenty of upload bandwidth with my cable modem.  I just do not know what I'm doing, since I'm new with Torrent......

A share ratio of 101% means you have uploaded to others roughly the same amount that you downloaded from the peer(s). Ideally, everyone should seed any torrent to at least a ratio of 200%, or a 2:1 ratio. I just finished my d/l (yes, even though I bought the discs) and am at an 85% ratio, which means I need to seed for a while more. Looking at the swarm, I am seeding to 5 out of 6 leechers.

The biggest thing you need to do is make sure you are connectable. That means that if you're behind a router, you need to go into your router settings and make sure the port that your bittorent client uses is "open", or set to forward requests to your PC. Check this link for more help: https://portforward.com/

Once you have your router set correctly, you should be able to seed without any problems.

For those of you with the 60 disc, and have the picture manager program, is there an actual screen on the DVD for when the video lockout occurs? I heard someone mentioning delete that screen, or make it transparent. Does it exist?

Ballerinstaller wrote:

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The lockout screen is not a photo or image, but more like a popup dialog box that superimposes itself over the screen.  It cannot be made transparent.  The code needs to be modified to remove it.

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When this happens, does the audio stay active from the DVD?

Yes

braddman wrote:

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Ballerinstaller wrote:

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The lockout screen is not a photo or image, but more like a popup dialog box that superimposes itself over the screen.  It cannot be made transparent.  The code needs to be modified to remove it.

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When this happens, does the audio stay active from the DVD?

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Man I don't get it, I get to 99.92 percent on the download and it stops everytime. This is killing me. I can't finish it! Can somsone transfer directly to me with AIM or Yahoo?

Today I did a little experimenting. I pulled the speed sensor lead and drove the car. The lockout was disabled for about a mile (and my position did not update). Then the brain must've looked for a gyro signal, as all of a sudden my position was correct on the map, and the lockout was enabled. That leads me to think that it uses both speed and gyro to know if the vehicle is in motion (you can also use a toggle switch on the park brake lead to "trick" the unit for about 2 seconds at a time).

Just out of curiousity, if a DVD can be played with the monitor is closed, what about figuring out how to trick the brain into thinking the monitor is closed when it's actually not?

explor202 wrote:

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Today I did a little experimenting. I pulled the speed sensor lead and drove the car. The lockout was disabled for about a mile (and my position did not update). Then the brain must've looked for a gyro signal, as all of a sudden my position was correct on the map, and the lockout was enabled. That leads me to think that it uses both speed and gyro to know if the vehicle is in motion (you can also use a toggle switch on the park brake lead to "trick" the unit for about 2 seconds at a time).

Just out of curiousity, if a DVD can be played with the monitor is closed, what about figuring out how to trick the brain into thinking the monitor is closed when it's actually not?

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The DVD will play with the monitor open or closed, it just superimposes the message over the video, so I don't think that will help.

Alright well I tried to burn it twice now. Once as an ISO and once by just burning the data onto the DVD and both times it failed. The first one wouldn't read in the car and the second one just kept saying please wait as it was burning it, even after the time ran out.

God I hate computers. I'm ready to throw this DVD burner off the cliff.

I don't know if I'll be able to post it or not. PowerPost gives me a runtime error I need to figure out, and WinRar tells me over 8 hours to compress, plus it's hogging all my CPU. I'll try to figure something else out.

As far as a URL, there is no such thing when it comes to a newsgroup. You need a newsprovider and a newsreader.

OK, the East disc is going up to alt.binaries.test.  

Look for CNDV60MT East as the subject. I split it into 102 parts. Use MasterSplitter to join them back together, or use the included .bat file. The post should be complete in about 17 hours (sorry, I have a crappy u/l speed!).

For those not familiar with Usenet, most ISP's provide some type of Newsgroup access. You will need Newsgroup access and a decent newsreader, like FreeAgent from Forte Agent. Please note this u/l is in the yEnc format, and while most newsreaders will decode it properly, some (like Outlook and Outlook Express) will not be able to.

Okay, I'm splitting the East disc into 500 pieces, each one 13,570 kb in size. Once it's done, I'll try posting it again.

Oh, and Usenet was around way before Al Gore even thought about creating the Internet!

I thought about letting it run overnight, but WinRar reports it will take 8 hours to compress. When I first tried compressing it with WinRar, my PC temp was about at 140 degrees Farenheit in about 10 minutes. 8 hours of that is not something I want. If I lower the priority it might not hog as much CPU, but then it will take even longer to compress.

scarface78 wrote:

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free_refil wrote:

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The best way to do it is to RAR it up when you go to sleep. The next morning it'll be done for sure. Then either create it on Torrent or you can up it directly to me and I'll create it on Torrent and host the file. The thing is, nobody is going to let you store a few gigs worth of data for free unless someone here has some webspace to loan. I personally have a domain but it only has 80GB of transfer per month.

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So much TROUBLE when you can get it only for $25 for two discs SHIPPED:

P>

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I'm not going to start a flame war with you Scarface, but I did buy two discs off of ebay, and I'm here trying to share them with others instead of trying to get them to buy them. That is the least I can do given all the help I've gotten from others on this forum

I have a 2.4 GHz box I'm working on, so I will transfer WinRar and the file to it and let that one do all the work. We'll see how it goes.

OK I HAVE to post my nightmare about upgrading the N1 to the N3 software (60MT).

First, it took me 3 tries to get the DVD to burn after downloading the ISO for 3 days. I finally got the software upgraded, and little did I know, not only does it disable the DVD in motion (yes, I knew that) but it also disables the Audio/Video inputs!! WTF!!! I have a carputer connected to those! I was HOSED.

Also, the Navigation didn't work. I could see where I was on the maps, but the choices for ADDRESS SEARCH and anything related to that weren't even available. The buttons were there but they weren't highlighted.

Long story short, I had to force flash back to 40MT 1.2 .

All of those features are disabled while you're driving, but they come back as soon as you stop. You can also trick it momentarily while driving by cycling the toggle switch. That works for about 2 seconds each time.

Here's what I want to know: I get the nag screen that the system has detected an improper parking brake connection as soon as I start my car, before I'm even moving. How does it know? I'm wondering if it's looking for more than a simple ground on the park brake lead, and will do some experimenting this weekend.

I would surely like to know why they get to play with all the cool stuff first...

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=https://www3.pioneer.co.jp/product/product_info.php%3Fproduct_no%3D00000399%26cate_cd%3D076%26option_no%3D1&prev=/search%3Fq%3Davic-zh900md%26num%3D50%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff

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All of those features are disabled while you're driving, but they come back as soon as you stop. You can also trick it momentarily while driving by cycling the toggle switch. That works for about 2 seconds each time.

Here's what I want to know: I get the nag screen that the system has detected an improper parking brake connection as soon as I start my car, before I'm even moving. How does it know? I'm wondering if it's looking for more than a simple ground on the park brake lead, and will do some experimenting this weekend.

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Having those features disabled while driving is simply a joke. I paid 1800.00 for this thing and I can't even use it to display my carputer whern I'm in motion, someone should freaking file a lawsuit against Pinoeer. It's YOUR box, you should be able to do with it as you see fit.

Regardless, Navigation didn't work with on my N1 with the 60west disc at all. Didn't even have the option to search for an address.

I was able to compress the East disc using WinRAR, into 103 pieces. I did a succesfull test post this morning to alt.binaries.test of one piece. I plan on doing a full post later tonight

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You probably BURNED DIsc wrong ... usually PRoblem is inside IDX FOLDER ... if this file inside that folder ARSSR200.IDX its corupted or burned wrong your DISC won't work right ... see that's what I'm talking about ALL this trouble to download and DISC doesn't even work right ...

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I burned the ISO, there is no way it wasn't right, it's the same one everyone else is using, plus who cares about new maps and stuff when you can't use the DVD or A/V input when driving. That's simply retarded.

The East disc finished posting yesterday afternoon to alt.binaries.test

The only thing I screwed up was using Forte Agent to post it. It ended up splitting my post into 10505 sections. However, once all the headers are loaded in Agent, it's easy to sort them by title, then highlight all of my post. Assuming all the sections are in the correct order, all you do is right click and select "Join Sections". This will automatically merge all 10505 pieces together into one large piece for downloading.

Farther back in the forum, someone was going to take apart their N1 to see if the board had the same solder points as the N2. Did that ever happen? If not, I'm feeling adventerous!

wow!  I just got done reading all 36 pages of this thread, and I have to say that I like where this is going!  (Even tho it has gotten sidetracked a few times!)  I have an N1, and I was interested in getting upgraded software, but I won't because of the lock out.  Has anyone successfully determined the difference between the code on the N1/2/3 and the X1 (the lockout portion) ?  I am not sure if someone has already mentioned it (I just read waaaay to much to take in at once!) but wouldn't it make sense to change a few lines of text,  to bypass the lockout

for instance, if a line of code resembled this:

if moving=true{

                      show.lockout  //not the exact code, but you get the idea

}

why can't it be edited to always be false? i.e. :

if moving=false{

                         if moving=true{

                         show.lockout

                         }

}

or why can't that line be deleted all together?

instead of replacing files with others, why can't the file be edited?

another idea is to see why the N1 only checks for a grouned parking brake, and incorporate that into the 50/60 software.

anyone play around with this?

maybe I am talkin out my ass, it happens sometimes!  but I do have some computer knowledge, I was a software engineer major for a while until I realized that it was waaaay to stressful to do for the rest of my life.  I only did coding for 2 years or so, and I wanted to blow up every computer I saw!  That was like 4 years ago tho...Now I just check my email, and use forums like this! cuz coding for hours makes homer something something...  go crazy? don't mind if I do!

?  Also, I might be upgrading to the N3 sometime soon, but I wanna keep my warranty, and the little sticker you can peel on the N3 now says "void" so i would like to bypass it with software so i can just revert back to the old software if I need warranty work.

OK, just a bit of an update here...

The firmware of the europe version is not the answer to this problem. It was loaded on a N1 and still had the video locked out. Now the problem on my end is trying to figure out how to disassemble the firmware since it appears that it is not encrypted nor compressed. I have tried IDA Pro but no luck. Hex editing the firmware was also tried but the files are protected by an embedded crc check.  Wrecklesswun has purchased a N2 to trace out against his N1 so we can see where the resistor mod is on the N1 board. Should just be an address pin pulled high/low. I feel the N1 should be almost identical to the X1 in hardware however there might be an eeprom or different address settings that set the lockout. What we need is someone who has done some embedded programming.  High res photos of any avic-N (any version) would be great as well.

I use Giganews and it shows all parts are there. PM your email if you need it.

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I don't think that comparing the boards is going to help, but you never know. I gave a copy of the 60MT disc to one of (if not the) best developers we have at work today, and he will see what he can do.

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Excellent. If I could only figure out why I couldn't search for addresses when I had 60MT on my N1. It was like it wasn't available.

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I already posted this ... this happends when file inside the FOLDER IDX. File(ARSSR200.idx) its corupt.

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So you're saying it just got burned wrong or the ISO was corrupt?

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I don't necessarily agree that the file gets corrupted, but rather it might have something to do with simply trying to copy the disc directly to the HDD. The best thing I've found is to insert the DVD into the drive, the tell UltraISO to create an image of the disc. I've yet to have one fail using that method. There may be something buried on the DVD that prevents copying of that file.

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I used the ISO from the torrent and burned that.

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scarface78 wrote:

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I already posted this ... this happends when file inside the FOLDER IDX. File(ARSSR200.idx) its corupt.

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So you're saying it just got burned wrong or the ISO was corrupt?

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When using UltraISO, your best bet is to tell it to save the image in the mds/mdf format and NOT a regular iso. Then use DVDDecryptor to burn the disc. Decryptor has the best record for accurately burning both layers of the DL disc. You can also use an image emulator like Daemon Tools to launch the image after it's created to verify everything is there before you burn it.

Just to let everyone know, I found a free file hosting website that I'll be uploading the CNDV60MT disc to. The only catch to the website is that I have to upload one file at a time (and you'll have to download them one at a time). Once I've got the full disc uploaded, I will let everyone know what the URL is so you can all get it. No torrents, no Usenet.

scarface78 wrote:

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Sorry man I am not a SANTA  ... I was only one who was WILLING to spend $50 and now everyone wants it ... you guys like Piranias ... CHEAP  **Ses noone want to dish out $50 they just waiting for someone to buy it and put it for free. PLUS it wouldn't be FAR to this DUDE who sold me COPIES ... he was the one who spend 1000+ on NEW AVIC-N3 with Software ... he could've say ... GO ahead if you don't like $50 go get it for $275 from Pioneer or buy New Avic-n3

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scarface78 wrote:

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i already made and sold aprox. 30 Sets

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scarface78 wrote:

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Man like i said ... i don't need DISCS with any Edited FILES ... or Extra things ... all i want is have my Upgrade the way it came out without any Fixes ... so you don't have to worry about me DOWNLOADING it ... if i want it i will BUY it ... believe me i have money for it.

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Wow how you change your tune... Sounds like your being "unfair" to the this "other guy" that you bought this copy from.... Hmmm 30 copies at $50 each ($1500) ... wow... and you call me cheap! Now I see why you have all this $ as you have stated... its a little clearer now. Keep selling your copies and maybe one day pioneer will buy one from you. Hopefully by then you will have enough for bail. We can always hope for the best.

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No in my case that File was CORRUPTED ... i just replaced the file and Burned Discs as DATA DVD using ROXIO and works perfect ... i already made and sold aprox. 30 Sets (West & East) and never had problem with costumer telling me it doesn't work

This is false.  Unless you purposely edited and saved the file, reading the file is simple 0's and 1's, and will never deviate. The AVIC N1 cannot read Data DVDs, it can only read book type DVD-Rom.  So in fairness when giving advise, please be accurate... Go here for explanation:

https://wiki.cdfreaks.com/index.php/Book_Type

hello,

does anyone know how to bypass the N3 yet ?

i am sorry if somebody already asked but there are 40 pages to read through, i figured t would be easier o just ask

thanks guys.

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lets stay on topic! lol

Good news and bad news.

The bad news: I've got 15 of the 103 WinRAR pieces posted to the public website so far. However, I've decided to hold off with the rest until I figure out what, if any, legal ramifacations I would face by posting the copyrighted software. The other bad news is that the programmer I gave the CNDV60MT software was not able to help much.

The good news is that he determined that it appears to be programmed in NEC (whatever that is!). Any ideas? I've got another programmer I'll be giving the disc to this weekend (he works for Motorola) so maybe he can figure it out.

explor202 wrote:

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Good news and bad news.

The bad news: I've got 15 of the 103 WinRAR pieces posted to the public website so far. However, I've decided to hold off with the rest until I figure out what, if any, legal ramifacations I would face by posting the copyrighted software. The other bad news is that the programmer I gave the CNDV60MT software was not able to help much.

The good news is that he determined that it appears to be programmed in NEC (whatever that is!). Any ideas? I've got another programmer I'll be giving the disc to this weekend (he works for Motorola) so maybe he can figure it out.

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explor202,

I thin knew that already...the problem is finding a disassembler for it...Idapro doesn't support the processor used for this application...although the instruction set is similar, it is not the same...I've seen this before, for instance the Motorola 6805 and SG Thompson chips are almost the same but not...Unless you can get a disassembler for it, we'd have to do it by hand, which could take a year.

Hopefully we'll find out soon enough. I emailed my contact the info on what I was looking for today. He let on enough in his email that he knew how the lockout feature worked originally and why Pioneer released the update. I think if this was a dead end, he would not have asked for me to give the disc to his wife to bring home tonight. Let's all keep our fingers crossed!

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Just to update everyone, my source at Motorola seems to think he can make a "faux" 40MT disc but have it contain everything necessary from the 60MT disc. He now has both discs from me and will start working on it hopefully tomorrow. He noticed that it does not check crc or file size, only that the files exist.

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The firmware is CRC checked. The crc is embeded in the firmware image itself.

So i jsut finsihed reading 40 pages adn i am looking for the east coast  ver60 dvd let me me if there is a torrant

thanks

mike

I under stand but i have not been able to find the torrent for it doese anyone have the link

Thanks
MIKE

Datwo] wrote:

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ow, you know what, I never thought of that. It just might work. Takes a few seconds to figure out its in motion so I wonder if it will fool it. A simple 555 timer circuit will test that theory. I might give it a go in a few days.

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What do you have in mind?

Pioneer nav systems don't require you to hook up the speed pulse at all so you wouldn't even need a relay for that.  Will be less accurate for the first few miles while it calibrates and then it will work perfectly.  I assume the relays are for parking brake and interupting the GPS antenna signal momentarily

infinkc wrote:

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the relays are just to ground the parking and cut off signal to the speed pulse, the nav function will not work properly when the speed cut is not active, but the dvd will play fine. i guess you only have one or the other anyway, but not the case on the z1.

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OK, here is what I will be trying. You know how if you press the parking brake while in motion it waits about 3 seconds and disables the video/nav? Well what I am thinking is building a pulse with modulator that will pull the parking brake to ground and release it at a adjustable rate. Maybe I can fool it into thinking that the brake was release and reapplied and then released again before the screen reactivates. Like I say... it will be couple of days before I can test this. I ordered the parts today for the circuit.

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P>OK, here is what I will be trying. You know how if you press the parking brake while in motion it waits about 3 seconds and disables the video/nav? Well what I am thinking is building a pulse with modulator that will pull the parking brake to ground and release it at a adjustable rate. Maybe I can fool it into thinking that the brake was release and reapplied and then released again before the screen reactivates. Like I say... it will be couple of days before I can test this. I ordered the parts today for the circuit.

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Thanks for putting my idea to the test Datwo. I have no clue right now how to put something together to make this work. What exactly did you come up with?

Does the N3 use the existing wiring I have in place for my N2 or are there new wires?

I'm thinking of getting the new N3 since I want the enhanced XM display and memo features.

Thanks

Thats a hardware change, not software.  Gotta buy an N3 if you want the sweet ipod and xm display

iracekx wrote:

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Has anybody seen with the N2 if up grading the software to the N3 software does it give the better Ipod features just curious.

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Am i the only one who used a Radio shack science fair from the 80's...? Kidding.  Datwo, just curious as to whether or not you will use the actually brake circuit, or create your own.  I would also think it may screw with the ABS and or Stability assistance or Traction controls systems.  I could be wrong though.( If you actually use the cars braking system)

wrecklesswun wrote:

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the goal is to send pulses above 2-3 mph...as the video lockout occurs @ exactly 5 mph.

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Actually it doesnt matter. You would do it when ever the radio is on. For the people that don't wanna wait for me on this you could try it yourself with a simple toggle switch. Just have a passenger flipping it while you drive. Try to flip it at the correct rate so that the brake is off just before the nag screen comes up and back on just before the nag screen comes up. I still don't know if this will even work but its worth a try.

free_refil wrote:

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Ya the upload is mine. I dunno why you can't connect, probably because I was paused for a minute there. Just let it run, and make sure your torrent client is setup properly with your router, etc.

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It's been running for around 12 hours now. I'm only finished 10%. I'm using BitComet with a Linksys 4-Port Wired Router.

Any tips on how I can make it go faster?

Thanks.

I used to use bitcomet but then i switched to uTorrent and it seems to be much faster. However, the problem is that the unfinished files are incompatible so if you install utorrent, you'll have to restart the download from scratch.

More importantly though, are you using Upnp Port fowarding? If its enabled in your router and on BitComet it should speed things up considerably (assuming the seeders are providing enough upload bandwidth)...

I used to use bitcomet but then i switched to uTorrent and it seems to be much faster. However, the problem is that the unfinished files are incompatible so if you install utorrent, you'll have to restart the download from scratch.

More importantly though, are you using Upnp Port fowarding? If its enabled in your router and on BitComet it should speed things up considerably (assuming the seeders are providing enough upload bandwidth)...

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Port Forwarding is enabled but I don't know what port numbers to enter into the ranges for BitComet. I'm now sitting at a whooping 15% completion. lol

BitComet should enter the number automatically... generally it will be the listening port that you see in one of the bitComet menus

Your biggest problem is probably that there are very few seeders. This cannot be helped. There are only a few people interested in this torrent.

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Hey guy's, it's goin' to be a slow upload for a while. I can only spare around 150-175K and I'm upping to 4 people. Hopefully you guys will continue to seed after it's complete! I am still seeding the 50MT disks as well as the West Coast DVD of the 60MT. However, I have limited those to 25K each for the moment so that the East Coast DVD will have the most bandwidth. I will stop the West Coast 60MT as there are 3 other seeders I am connected to at the moment, that should give you guys a little more bandwidth. Please be patient I am only one man with 1 cable line!

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Thanks man. I really appreciate it. My speed has increased a significant amount. I should be done the download in another day or so.

BTW, after I'm finished the downloads, how do I go about updating my AVIC-N2 with the N3 software? Do I ned the East and West Discs to do so? Because my West Disc will finish in an hour or so, just wondering if I can update it with the West Disc while the East is downloading. I don't use the West Disc at this time, only the East one.

Thanks.

When you pop in the 60MT DVD it automatically updates. It only takes like 3 or 4 minutes so you may as well wait until you download the East Disc.

(I'm not sure if using the West would be a problem... but i don't think it will be able to use the 40 or 50 series disc afterwards so don't install it until you know you have a working East 60MT disc.)

coaldat6 wrote:

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When you pop in the 60MT DVD it automatically updates. It only takes like 3 or 4 minutes so you may as well wait until you download the East Disc.

(I'm not sure if using the West would be a problem... but i don't think it will be able to use the 40 or 50 series disc afterwards so don't install it until you know you have a working East 60MT disc.)

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Thanks for the tips. The only way I know that my copy is working is when I pop it into the unit and see if it reads, right?

well after you burn it, just make sure the competer can open the DVD and you can see the files present.

But yea... you just have to pop it in and see... (deep breath, crossed fingers and all)

I have yet to mod my N2 so all the features are unlocked while I drive, would it make a difference if I modded it after I did the update? Or is it recommended that i mod it before the update?

Thanks.

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makes no diffy man if you mod it now or later, just keep in mind that all motion locked items will be in full effect with the update and no mod...

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sorry, I didn't understand the last part. Were you just saying that whatever is locked before the update will still be locked after the update? And then unlocked when I perform the mod?

b18c5er wrote:

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Ballerinstaller wrote:

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makes no diffy man if you mod it now or later, just keep in mind that all motion locked items will be in full effect with the update and no mod...

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sorry, I didn't understand the last part. Were you just saying that whatever is locked before the update will still be locked after the update? And then unlocked when I perform the mod?

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I think that's what he's saying

OK, i did the update using the east disc and now my navi won't work. The Address Search, POI Search, Telephone Search and a few other options are disabled. I put the new v6 disc into the drive, the update ran successfully and the interface changed and everything after the system restarted.

I can only plot courses to my recently plotted addresses and I can use the Return Home feature.

I'm kind of scared now. Can anyone help me?

BTW, I updated my AVIC-N2.

Thanks.

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OK, i did the update using the east disc and now my navi won't work. The Address Search, POI Search, Telephone Search and a few other options are disabled. I put the new v6 disc into the drive, the update ran successfully and the interface changed and everything after the system restarted.

I can only plot courses to my recently plotted addresses and I can use the Return Home feature.

I'm kind of scared now. Can anyone help me?

BTW, I updated my AVIC-N2.

Thanks.

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I forgot to add, taht yes, it is a copy of the v60, I downloaded the torrent from this thread that free_refil posted.

It burned fine onto a Dual Layer DVD disc and opened up properly in the computer. The deck recognized the newer disc and updated itself accordingly with no problems.

I am really worried because this thing is so expensive. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Just to be sure... is the parking brake on? :)

Also, there are instructions earlier in this thread about re-flashing to an older version, so you should be able to get your 50 discs to work properly again, and even re-try the 60 discs.

Has anyone else tried the 60 east disc from the torrent?

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I was reading that thread earlier today. It was for an N1. You think it will work the same for the N2?

b18c5er wrote:

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justiz wrote:

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Just to be sure... is the parking brake on? :)

Also, there are instructions earlier in this thread about re-flashing to an older version, so you should be able to get your 50 discs to work properly again, and even re-try the 60 discs.

Has anyone else tried the 60 east disc from the torrent?

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I was reading that thread earlier today. It was for an N1. You think it will work the same for the N2?

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I believe that you posted earlier that you have NOT done the mod yet to your N2. The N2 must be modded (remove head unit, peel up the silver sticker and solder the two points together, then connect the park brake lead to a ground). Once you have performed the mod, you will be able to watch videos, and perform all of the nav functions whether you're driving or not. Your only other option is to revert back to the previous software version by flashing the BIOS.

free_refil, i appreciate that you had the upload going and took the time to supply it to us. I am in no way blaming this on your work. My nav and everything was working fine the night before i did the update. I will have to wait until I get my car back from my body guy cuz it's getting some paint touchups done. That should be this weekend.

explor202, are you saying that the only way this update will work properly is if I mod my N2? MY ebrake wire is currently hookup up to a switch and the switch is fully functional because if I go into the connection status screen on my N2, it shows the e-brake as on/off depending on when i toggle the switch. I have never had a problem before upgrading, so I cannot blame any wiring.

I'll have to wait until I get my car back to try again, but i'm really curious to if I must perform the bypass mod in order to get everything fully functional again.

Thanks.

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free_refil, i appreciate that you had the upload going and took the time to supply it to us. I am in no way blaming this on your work. My nav and everything was working fine the night before i did the update. I will have to wait until I get my car back from my body guy cuz it's getting some paint touchups done. That should be this weekend.

explor202, are you saying that the only way this update will work properly is if I mod my N2? MY ebrake wire is currently hookup up to a switch and the switch is fully functional because if I go into the connection status screen on my N2, it shows the e-brake as on/off depending on when i toggle the switch. I have never had a problem before upgrading, so I cannot blame any wiring.

I'll have to wait until I get my car back to try again, but i'm really curious to if I must perform the bypass mod in order to get everything fully functional again.

If you went from the CNDV40MT software to either the CNDV50MT or CNDV60MT software, you have no choice but to perform the mod I mentioned above (and as posted throughout this forum). At least you're lucky. I have an N1 that does not have any kind of hardware mod to perform, so hopefully we'll either get the 555 timer thing to work, or come up with a software mod.

Thanks.

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I went from the CNDV50MT software to the CND60MT. You just gave me a sign of relief with that information. I hadn't the slightest clue that you had to mod the unit in order to use the updated software.

Thanks for that sign of relief. I'll post my results when I finally mod the unit.

so then wtf happened to mine. Damnit, i'm worried again. I love the new software, you are right, it is a lot faster and because of the new colour schemes, I can see it better while in the drivers seat.

How can I reset my unit to the point where I have to pick my region? I remember when I took my car back to Best Buy to get a ground loop fixed, my navi asked me to pick a region number that was displayed on a map on the screen. I had to pick number 12 I think for Ontario. When that screen was up, I was also limited to the same options I have now, so i'm thinking maybe I can do that same region selection again and hopefully that will work.

So anyone knowhow to reset the navigation fully?

I burned it using that Alcohol 120 software. I downloaded that software just for this purpose. I have the .mds and .mdf files. I don' know how I could burn those using Roxio.

I opened Alcohol, clicked the Image Burning Wizard, Selected the image file and burned it. I didn't think it was more complicated than that.

What do you think?

My east disc is labelled CPJ1175_1_A. I will uninstall my cracked copy of Alcohol and download the free trial and try that.

Guys...

Just read every page of this thread... most of you are damn near geniuses. My first question is what happened to the rars posted on newsreaders? Only 1 out of 103 made it and only one set of Par2's? Retention is only about 20 days? Can someone repost them for the CND-V60MT East? Secondly, if I am following correctly... no one has successfully installed the V60 on a N1 and is still able to watch/nav in motion yet right? Has anyone even been able to successfully update to the V60 and still have a perfect working unit while NOT in motion? I have an N1 and all I want to do is have the upgraded software and still watch movies and nav while in motion... I am still waiting on a resolve if I'm not mistaken!?!

Go to POI search.  Press the button on the bottom that looks like north america.  Thats how you select your region on a real disk at least

b18c5er wrote:

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so then wtf happened to mine. Damnit, i'm worried again. I love the new software, you are right, it is a lot faster and because of the new colour schemes, I can see it better while in the drivers seat.

How can I reset my unit to the point where I have to pick my region? I remember when I took my car back to Best Buy to get a ground loop fixed, my navi asked me to pick a region number that was displayed on a map on the screen. I had to pick number 12 I think for Ontario. When that screen was up, I was also limited to the same options I have now, so i'm thinking maybe I can do that same region selection again and hopefully that will work.

So anyone knowhow to reset the navigation fully?

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SUCCESS!!! It was a bad disc that I burned. I had torrented a cracked version of alcohol 120% and burned the first disc. So I uninstalled that version and then downloaded a demo version straight from the manufacturer's website. Burned it again and VOIALA! All of the normal features returned. Thank you guys for all of your help.

As for the statement that said you have to mod your N2 to have the v60 discs work, that is false as my unit still isn't modded. I will probably try to mod it tomorrow.

The unit is a lot faster, routes are calculated faster and the new graphics make it easier to see the screen from further angles.

Thanks again to all.

Just thought i would let you all now i have installed the 60 software and the units runs like a charm on my n2.  Like the new look

Thats not correct.  You cannot go to the CNDV50 or CNDV60 without the lockout affecting your N1

wojtekg wrote:

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Yes you can but only up to version CNDV-50 V1.1 once you upgrade to version 1.2 or CNDV-60MP you will get Blocked out

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sab0276 wrote:

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Does these hacks work with the N3? How hard is it to od the bypass?

-Scott

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Well the only thing i have notice is my maps seem to be a bit behind when it i drive anyone have this issue

I did read through it (2 days worth :)).  I just thought most people were trying to update the older ones to the new software.  

But I just wanted to make sure you can customize the N3 the same way you can customize the older ones with modified discs. 

Please PM the about the bypass.  Thanks.

-Scott

whtcrxghst wrote:

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Thats not correct.  You cannot go to the CNDV50 or CNDV60 without the lockout affecting your N1

wojtekg wrote:

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Yes you can but only up to version CNDV-50 V1.1 once you upgrade to version 1.2 or CNDV-60MP you will get Blocked out

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DIDN'T I say that. If you read good you would notice that. I SAID You can UPGRADE  AVIC-N1 to CNDV-50 & CNDV-60 but you will get BLOCKED Again

The problability of a successful burn on any dvd depends on the medium as well as the speed at which you burn.  In general verbatim dvd+rdl are ok i have an 80% success rate burning dvd's.  also the software you use makes a difference.  i used nero 7.082 and it burns 99% of the time.  when i use sonic recordnow, it almost never works for dl dvd's.  Just my observations.

I have two very high resolution scans of the N1 mainboard.  They are approx. 26Mb each and I have smaller version that are about 2Mb each.  Anyone wanna host them for lQQking for the alternate resistor that does the magic switch?  After inspecting the board, I see many spots of interest.  Maybe we can scour these for a while and then we all choose a different spot to mod with a pull up or pull down resistor to see what makes this baby tick and screw those jerks that want to capatalize on this.  The only way I'd make money is from the lighthearted ones that don't know a soldering iron from a screw driver and would rather have a seasoned tech do the job right the first time and not mess a thing up, eh?

My flex finally gave up the ghost and while I was waiting for it in the mail I thought I'd do a thorough cleaning of the N1 in preperation for the new flex.  Lets fuel this fire and find that resistor!  (its probably not labelled R197)

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The problability of a successful burn on any dvd depends on the medium as well as the speed at which you burn.  In general verbatim dvd+rdl are ok i have an 80% success rate burning dvd's.  also the software you use makes a difference.  i used nero 7.082 and it burns 99% of the time.  when i use sonic recordnow, it almost never works for dl dvd's.  Just my observations.

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I use ROXIO Version 8.0   I burn them as DATA DISC at speed 8X   (I Just highlight files of my Desktop) and from 20 Pack of DVD+r DL VERBATIM usually ony 2 are BAD.

I know I have CNDV-60MP (East & West) Version 1.0 ..... Did you guys here anything about CNDV-60MP Version 1.2 Coming or Being OUT ALREADY. I just came arcoss already two people that told me that Version 1.2 is out. But then again when I called PIONEER they said that they don't know nothing about CNDV-60MP version 1.2

What you guys think?

hello to all nice site

i have a avh-p6500 head unit with a avic-90dvd i'm usind the cndv-50mt version 1.0 east coast

when i got to settings and view software it reads 0x05000100 fine

i downloaded the updated cndv-50mt v1.2  east coat but it also reads 0x05000100???? should it read 0x05000102?? thanks for your inputs

You sure you have a D1?  Or did you mean N1?  The CNDV-40MT are from an N1 in 2004, and will not work in a D1.

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Hey, I just got an Avic-d1 and was woundering if I get the newer dvd's CNDV-40MT, Will it mess with it at all or will it stop the video in motion? Please let me know.

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No. I read a few posts back (or maybe on another forum) that the 60mp disks have way better maps, and better graphics and color menus. 

I'm in Boston and the maps look about the same.  (although I have not looked deeply into the areas of the "Big Dig".)

The PIM icons of the Xm stations do not display at all.  What is the correct mapping need in the table file?

So does the N3 come with 60mp? 

-Scott

yes

sab0276 wrote:

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So does the N3 come with 60mp? 

-Scott

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I believe you will only see the logos on units with the enhanced xm display(D1, D2, Z1, and N3) when used with the GEXP10XMT navtraffic tuner.

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I see on the CNDV-60mp DVD disk all the PIM files for the XM logos. Over on Avic411.com (and probably here too) is the pim manager program to view and convert.

I undertstand that XM change some of their station's names slightly.

However, on my unit EVERY XM station only displays the defualt blue satellite logo (file is something like: LPSNOT.PIM)   What file do I need to modify to get it to read them properly?

This is for an AVIC-N2 unit.

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Goldie, I have this same problem. I re-flashed my N1 to restore the video and my rear cam no longer works. I have not been able to find a solution yet but am still searching.

If anybody has any ideas then I would be happy to try them.

Rob

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What if some one found the screen that covers the dvd and replace it with a clear window with out the warning. If BGopen can be hacked, why not the warning?

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Doesn't work that way. The screen isn't a static photo. It is drawn via a window manager. The bios isn't editable because its CRC checked and nobody here has the knowledge to even crack that and that is the first step. I have basically given up messing with it because I have been way to busy and have come to dead end basically. We need somebody that is able to disassemble the firmware. I haven't been able to find a disassembler that works on this processor. IDA Pro doesnt work. Anyways... that's where its at. We need a expert cracker on this one. Someone who plays with firmware.

Anyone have a current, working version of their IMAGETBL.DAT file that they can post for the CNDV-60 data set? 

I have an AVIC-N3 with GEX-P10XMT.

I could swear the station logo/icons worked for about 10mins when I first powered up my new unit, but then as soon as I changed to one of the "new" XM Stations all of my icons/logos stopped displaying. It doesn't even display the default "Satellite" icon, it just has blank gray space on all of the XM stations in the location where the logo should be...?

whtcrxghst wrote:

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Its posted on avic411.com

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It should be the end now that whtcrxghst posted.  Great site !

Hi,

does anyone has an iso image of the CNDV-60MP upgrade disc?

I don't understand why this topic is still active. This was hacked a long time ago, and is readily available on EBAY, you send the guys your stuff and 70 bucks and they do it for you and send it back.

There is this guy on Ebay: https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5871470869&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

He can Upgrade your AVIC-N1, N2 if you running CNDV-60MP to have AVIC-N3's Ipod and XM Interface which is NORMALLY not available doing CNDV-60MP update. You have to send your Head Unit and Brain to him ... he is a 100% trusted.

why would I want to mail my $2000 unit to someone I don't know?  If this guy can do it, there must be someone here that knows how, and can explain to us how to do it.