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Topic: Modding Avic-N1/N2 Nav DVD’s

Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Subject: Modding Avic-N1/N2 Nav DVD’s
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 1:32 AM

I have extensively looked online for any modding/******* to the navigation dvds for the  popular Pioneer Avic series navigation systems but I have found none. 

I have successfully changed the boot image though.  I have done this by making a iso image of the dvd on my hard drive and then using a iso editing tool like Ultraiso 7 ME to pluck out the BGOPEN.JPG default bootscreen file and then replacing it with a custom one that has the same name and resolution size of 500x240.  I then reburn the dvd on a dual layer dvd, reboot the nav system with the new disc inserted (press reset) and poof!  my bootscreen is no longer saying Pioneer, but looks like this :

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I am also going to try to replace the default background images,do some performace gauges customization, and insert some new alarm sounds into my nav dvd.

What I would like to really do is strip the maps off of the N2 DVD and try to and I have to say *try* to insert them onto a N1 firmware Nav DVD so that we can have the best of both worlds (updated maps and still not suffer from the movie lockout while in motion) Any donations of copies of the N2 DVD's would surely be appreciated.

If anyone has any more tricks, please share them.

Pete

2000 Impala LS



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.



Replies:

Posted By: ram41569
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 2:27 PM
I'm with you.I only bought this unit about 1 month ago and I thought there would be all kinds of mods.




Posted By: nstaller36695
Date Posted: January 26, 2006 at 8:18 PM

nice.



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the best part of a job is seeing the bumper get smaller over the horizon




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: January 27, 2006 at 1:32 AM

I just made my default customized performance screen.  It's kinda basic, but of course its just a test of what is capable in this Nav modding.

Now if I could just figure out how to make this N-1 read mp3 encoded data DVD's.  Anyone try this yet?  That would be bling bling baller to have a dual layer dvd with over 8 gigs of your favorite mp3's, eh?

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I'm gonna try a crystal clear version of this to see if I can see the wallpaper image behind the face of this template.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: ryanerb
Date Posted: January 28, 2006 at 1:03 PM
i thought they have overcome the movie lockout while driving w/ the n2?




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: January 29, 2006 at 2:29 AM

One can overcome the movie lockout with the N2, but I have an N1 and for N1 owners, there is no bypass that I am aware of that allows us a way around when we load a updated N2 firmware map dvd.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: January 29, 2006 at 2:48 AM

**UPDATE**  Important information:

How would you like to make copies of your map DVD's with just a single layer dvd instead of a dual layer dvd?

This is done by removing all of the point of interest (POI) crap that most of us do not use.  There is almost 4 gigs of this stuff on the original disc.

I just did it and I stored it to a dvdrw and it works perfectly!  Address routing is not affected either. (unless its a POI and you are searching for a POI name to match an address, duh)

Once again it does require two software packages and a knowledge of iso file parsing (reading)

You need:

1. UltraIso 7

2. Nero (or some other dvd finalizing software that accepts the .iso file extension.)

3. You have to have at least 8 gigs or so free room on your hard drive...

open Ultraiso and make an ISO of the Map DVD you would like to backup on your hard drive.

after that is done, go for a look a folder in the iso that you saved called "IDX"

I removed the following files without adversly affecting my settings here in Iowa nor does it error out the nav system, it just blanks out that portion of features on the choices on the POI menu.

Here they are:

POIDT004.IDX

POIDT043.IDX

POISR201.IDX through POISR207.IDX

and that strips off 2.47 gigs of stuff that is not needed for standard ops.

I then saved the modified ISO and then burned it using Nero. 

Just as a note-  I suffered some errors trying to burn the disc from Ultraiso, so just save it and open Nero seperately to burn the image.

please give it a try and let me know how it works for you!

Now if I could only figure out  how to play mp3's from a DVD on this thing!



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: January 29, 2006 at 5:00 PM
Wow, I need to go out and get myself some DL DVD's and start messing with this stuff! I was going to backup the DVD's but haven't gotten around to it! I wish someone would put the latest edition DVD's on the Torrent network because I don't want to pay a lot of money for the damn things through Pioneer. I heard they're supposed to send you the new ones free but I haven't recieved mine. Just a lot of addresses and roads the old ones don't know....

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: January 30, 2006 at 2:44 AM

**Update**  I have found that some routing and addressess cannot be found after removing some of those files.  I will have to poke around and probably end up removing the other languages from the disc to make it fit.  I found spanish and french (for Canada) on the disc.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: January 30, 2006 at 9:39 AM
Thanks for the ideas! I have a D1 and wanted to mess around with the DVD as well. I can see some interesting stuff on there. I would like to replace the intro screen and backgrounds as well, as they are not uploadable on the D1. Also, there are a lot of XM logos missing, and no one knows if they are on the DVD or coming over the air, so I will try to copy some known logos into the missing ones as an experiment.

Good excuse to get that Dual Layer burner - they are only like $60 now, so why not have some fun?

Derek




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: January 30, 2006 at 2:53 PM
I have a public ftp server, as well, a copy of the last n1 ver 1.1 dvd, as well as on the way the ver 1.2 n2 dvd's...I would like to help if i can...I can iso both dvd's and provide a link to the ftp site.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: January 30, 2006 at 2:56 PM
And also as for mp3's on DVD, the avic is not capable of doing this, but for anyone interested, i have a program which will do something similar, by creating audio dvd's...




Posted By: doug702
Date Posted: January 30, 2006 at 7:55 PM
free_refil****Call Pioneer and they should tell you the status of your new Nav discs.  I registered my Avic D1 Dec. 14th and finally just called asking WTF?  The lady pulled up my info and even told me the date I registered (I assume you registered your deck) and said it would go out the next day UPS.  Pioneer 1-800-421-1404 24hours.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: January 31, 2006 at 1:24 AM

ARRRRGH! I hate Internet Exploder!  This is the third time I am writing this as the darn popup blocker keeps erasing my post!

It took me from registering my unit in October 2004 until April 2005 to get my updated CNDV-40MT Version 1.2 software.  It crashed my brainbox after a supposed sucessful update and I had to exchange it out at Bestbuy to get rolling again.  I am scared of using that disc again man.....

Since then I have found a DOS mode workaround that will let me reflash it without swapping or opening anything.  I thank whoever submitted this in some other forum:

steps to flash back the n1 software follows:
Please note, I do not take responsibility if you mess up your nav system. (when the nav is flashing the firmware, make sure theres no power outtage, etc.)

HOLD Eject, Press Reset button.
Screen will go in, and come back out with a black screen and a message about pressing the reset button.
you can releae the Eject button.
now enter the code using your joystick (the control on the right) push UP, Right, UP, Right, Down, Right, Down, Right, then Press in the joystick.

Now you should be in the menu, theres 3 pages of options, the 2nd page should have the option of force flash.

I forgot about what I did.. but I reset the memory, reset whatever info.. which shouldn't be necessary.

Please note that you'll need a remote to have it start programming/flashing procedure. for the voice command steering wheel remote, its the button on the lower left.

Thanks wrecklesswun for the 50MT n2 dvd information- hope you got my private post to you



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: sush1a
Date Posted: January 31, 2006 at 1:42 AM
^^ hey, you just cut n paste what i wrote in the other thread... posted_image

If we're going to try to make N2 maps on an N1 dvd, I would suggest that we should try it on single layer dvds first.. would be much more cost effective. Just do the same thing as what Baller did; rip the poi stuff and replace the root stuff & possibly firmware files. If it works.. then we can burn it on dual layers with the poi stuff.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: January 31, 2006 at 8:46 AM
thing is do we know which files comprise the map data, poi, etc without having to use the new firmware ?




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: January 31, 2006 at 1:37 PM

I believe all the firmware lies in the root directory.  If one can compare all three versions of the disc (40m, 40mt, 50mt)  I am sure the firmware file will show its head with little difficulty.  I have found that for every update, there is a .htm file to show the revision of the file(s) that were changed or that have a revision number.

EU040APL.PRG

UC040GPS.PRG

UC040SYS.PRG

For simplicity purposes, I'd have my deck reset and programmed with the first revision of the firmware.

Using the reduced file version (with poi's removed) so it can be burnt to a dvdrw, I would sub out each one of these files with a newer version until my head unit reported that it was reflashing firmware and viola!  you should have isolated the firmware file and have a name to go with its ugly face.

As long as the updated data files are not encoded differently, which I doubt, the old program files (.prg) should be able to read them.  I just have an issue with the possibility of the renaming of the data files in the newer version whereas the .prg files would not know which to read nor where to find them.

Geez! Come on Pioneer!  Give us the SDK!  That way, I could make a timer for the performance gauges and you could compute quarter mile speeds and times very accuarately!

Why can't some of this stuff be considered open source?



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: Preservedswine
Date Posted: February 02, 2006 at 9:52 AM
If you just want to use updated map software on the N-1, while keeping the ability for motion and DVD's, I think there's a guy on E-bay who can do it for you... rch72 i think.. he repaired my N1 when it was broken- top notch service




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 03, 2006 at 10:36 PM
OK i tried putting the map and poi data from 1.250mt to 1.140mt and it seems to work...i have map data not previously available...only thing is when i try and use poi, it freezes...so what i wanna try is to take the opposite and work it, take the firmware for 1.1 40mt, and put it on the 50mt dvd. any suggestions?




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 2:03 AM

That's exactly how I'd start it.

OK- the executable files are these:

1.    EU040APL.PRG   Purpose:???

2.    UC040GPS.PRG   Purpose: Dragon chip driver.  I looked up to see what this may be and I found two references what this may be:

           a. Dragon speech recognition software

           b. Dragon is a Chinese developed MIPS processor

3.    UC040SYS.USA   Purpose:  Navigation operating system

I would try subbing each one of these one at a time by removing the new file and replacing it with the old one, but renaming it to the new version's name.

Then run each one to see which one causes the cutout of the nav/dvd features while in motion.

Thanks for trying it out, I appreciate the effort.

By the way I downloaded a copy of that Audio dvd creator  and that program is sweet!  I can't even imagine how much music I could fit on a dual layer dvd!  I estimate it around 60 hours at 160kbps. That is nutz!  I only used 1.5 gigs on a dvd and it gave me over 14 hours of nonstop music with customizable graphics.

How Bling Bling is that?  Thanks for suggesting it man



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: sush1a
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 4:38 AM
I've also played with subbing files on the dvd.. and got it updating only one firmware instead of 2.. but busy these few days.. will have to mess with it more later on..




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 04, 2006 at 1:27 PM
Glad to hear the good news! Now if I only had a copy of the N-2 software......

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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 05, 2006 at 1:05 PM
If someone here would like to PTP me the ISO's for the latest N2 software disk's I have a 2 meg upload speed on my cable line and wouldn't mind creating a Torrent for the files and seeding them indefinately...

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 1:35 AM
I never registered my avic n1 when I got it about a year ago. Is it too late to now and can I still get the free update DVD's so I can try messing around with this stuff. Im a computer science major and think I could figure somethings out. Also is there any other way to get the Serial number from the avic n1 other than off the bottom of the unit. Is it hidden in a menu somewhere because I dont feel like removing it right now to get that when I register it.

Thanks




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 2:52 AM

ARRRRGGGHHH!  I hate Internet Exploder! It keeps erasing my post whenever it blocks a popup on this page!!!! (adding a smiley or previewing the post)

You can find your Serial Number on your original retail packaging (The BOX) fearx24.

Good luck with software modding.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: deuce2
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 10:02 AM

hey guys, sooooo new to this stuff, didnt even know you can mod these things....first off i got an AVIC-N!

i got a simple question and i am sure someone can help me with this, u guys seem like geniuses!  hahaha...

i am trying to make a dvd of MUSIC VIDEOS that i downloaded from LIMEWIRE, they are just video files...

i burn them to a DVD and when i put it in my avic-n1, it doesnt read the DVD but when i play it at home in my DVD player, it works, and the main screen is basically just a list of the dvd's like files.....

i used NERO EXPRESS to burn the dvd and if i remember correctly i used the "burn files to DVD" and it obviously wasnt accepted on my avic.....so what am i supposed to do?  any help would be greatly appreciated!





Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 08, 2006 at 12:57 PM
Your DVD at home might read just video files on a DVD. Did you make sure to burn the DVD like it was a movie with menus and stuff to select the videos you want. It should work because I burn DVD's all the time that play in my avic-n1.

Nick




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 10, 2006 at 7:05 PM
Just called Pioneer and they're sending me the new DVD's for the AVIC-N2. Once I get them home I will make ISO's and post a torrent. Let you guys know when it's up...

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 10:27 AM
ok i replaced all files except what appears to be the os... and it worked, it recognizes the map data...however when you input a new destination, it returns to the map screen.  I read somewhere to disable the dvd vid feature, one file has to be removed from the dvd.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 13, 2006 at 10:28 AM
also has anyone verified that the d1 fix doesn't work for the n1, or that the n1 has the same circuitry as the n2 ?




Posted By: ron_s
Date Posted: February 15, 2006 at 10:48 PM
Does anyone know if there are any ill effects when you upgrade the N1 to V50 and then reset and reinstall back to the V40 version?   Does this reset the learned data in the 3D?  Is there a problem running V50 when you want the extra map data and then reset/reinstall back to V40 when you want the ability to watch movies or input destinations while you drive?

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Ron




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 16, 2006 at 8:55 AM
It reverts back to the old ver just fine...




Posted By: ron_s
Date Posted: February 16, 2006 at 8:30 PM

If you rename the files "UC010SYS.USA" and "UC040SYS.USA"  with an extension of ".txt" you can use notepad to open the files.  In the UC010SYS.TXT file (it takes several minutes for the file to load) scroll about 2/3 the way down.  This is where the BIOS menu (all 4 pages) as far as entering the "PASSWORD" as well as formatting the SDRAM option.  Anyone know how to write code well enough to disable the auto BIOS update?



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Ron




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 17, 2006 at 12:17 PM
I have a AVIC-D1 and have spent a lot of time playing with the DVD's. I am mostly intrested in changing the background images, unfortunitly they are in some weird ASCI ".PIM" format and can't be changed. I have been able to change the boot screen as you have, but that's the extent of my success.

I did run a comparison on the 1.0 and the 1.2 DVD's for the AVIC-D1, here is what I found.
https://avic411.com/files/comparereport.html




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 17, 2006 at 12:29 PM
Oh, also, check this out:

RAW PIM FILE: https://jasonhilton.us/d1/backgrounds/LPS020.PIM

PIM FILE IN NOTEPAD: https://jasonhilton.us/d1/backgrounds/20on20.jpg

DISPLAYED ON D1: https://jasonhilton.us/d1/DSC02279.JPG

These PIM Files are basically ASCI Art from the 90's.
If you could figure out how to save images in this format, we basically cracked the D1's image format.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 17, 2006 at 3:00 PM

Great Job everyone poking around and tearing apart this software!  I have not been submitting any new news for a while, but that should change.  I will hopefully have a copy of the MT50 software in my hands in less than a week.  There appears to be much more software on the MT50 discs than in previous versions so it will be a tiring process, but we will succeed in making a *PIMPED* version of the software yet and we can thumb our noses at Pioneer.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 17, 2006 at 10:56 PM
Wow - that is great! I've been staring at these PIM files and never thought to spread it out in Notepad like that. Seems like with a Hex editor, and some invetigation of the other logos, that we could discover which character correspond to what colors. Hmmm....

Derek




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 17, 2006 at 11:23 PM
Jason,

I have the D1 as well. If you notice, XM 53 Fungus does not have a logo on the display. You see a 'satellite' logo. But I opened up LPS053.pim in notepad and can clearly see that it says FUNGUS.

Man this is frustrating, expecially since Pioneer told me they get those symbols over the air, and XM confirmed that - but no one could prove it.

Well, here are the logos, and they don't all work for some reason (RAW, Squizz, High Voltage, Bone Yard, among others).

Any ideas?

Derek




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 18, 2006 at 8:42 AM
The reason your not getting the logo on those channels is because the D1 is looking for the logo to match with the channel name. ("Fungus"). When XM changed the channel names to include XL in front of them, ("XL Fungus") it broke the D1's logo algorithm.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 18, 2006 at 4:32 PM
Jason,

Thanks for the insight there - no one has been able to answer that. No one at Pioneer (twice) or XM. Interesting - now I need to check all the XL channels. It seems that you are right - all XL channels that I listen to are out.

Now, if I could find where that channel listing is in some file on the DVD, maybe I can hex edit it.

Thanks!

Derek




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 18, 2006 at 10:14 PM
Looking at the file IMAGETBL.DAT, I can see that the channel use to be Squizz xL. Now XM calls it xL Squizz. That being said, it seems that its easy enough to switch the letter around and make it work.

All I need is the dual layer DVD burner I guess. First I'll try out the normal DVD to see if it works. Gotta get all the software at the beginning of this thread.

Hope it works!

Derek




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 18, 2006 at 10:37 PM
Baller -

I am about to buy a DL DVD drive. Did you use Dual Layer or Double Layer? That is, DVD-R DL or DVD+R DL? I want to make sure the Pioneer reads it.

Thanks!

Derek




Posted By: sush1a
Date Posted: February 18, 2006 at 11:44 PM
verbatim dvd+r dl is the best dl disc so far, and i have it working with the unit.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 19, 2006 at 2:15 AM

I have gotten the N1 to read all formats of all DVD's and cdr's/cdrw's although I cannot vouch for the -DL's as I have yet to see one.  I agree with ya sush1a on the verbatim's +DL's  I have yet to find a better one on the market. 

Kudos for you all working on the xm graphics!  I hope you are successful in your modification.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 19, 2006 at 9:37 AM
SO CLOSE!!!!

I CAN OPEN .PIM IMAGES!
But, their gray scale....

https://jasonhilton.us/d1/backgrounds/pimphotoshop.jpg




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 19, 2006 at 10:03 AM
since I can't figure out how to open them in color, Carbon without a doubt looks best, and could be modified with no problem: www.jasonhilton.us/d1/backgrounds/carbonphotoshop.jpg




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 19, 2006 at 3:22 PM
IT'S A MIRACLE! Editing the IMAGETBL.DAT file worked! I now have the logos for Bone Yard, Fungus, High Voltage, RAW, Squizz, The Rhyme. I tried editing Laugh Attack and EXTREME XM, but they changed there names (and character lengths) and it didn't work. I will go back eventually and see if I can figure out if there is a word count or byte count before the name.

Anyway - thanks for the tip Jason! Now I need to get that DL burner (I made the No-POI DVD to test).

How did you import the PIM files into Photoshop? I am not sure you will be able to SAVE it back though...

Derek





Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 19, 2006 at 4:45 PM
Glad the XM Logo's work for you now!

To get the images in photoshop .pim to .raw, tell photoshop it's 500x240 16 bit, with a 16 byte header, then just save it and rename it to .pim. I havent tested yet, but I will.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 1:25 AM

Wow!  We are coming along here guys!  So far we have :

1. succesfully changed the boot/startup screen

2. Successfully made a single layer dvd test disc format to check our handiworks before we submit them to the much more expensive dual layer format.

3. open .pim files in photoshop for viewing (hopefully soon with color)

4. a working XM logo mod.

Great work guys!  In the future, we will have to have a webhost for us to share all of our creations on so we can combine our individual handiworks to make that *pimp* version of the OS.  Either that or we can set up some snail mail trading of dvd's.

Anyone else have any other interesting things cross their mind on other possible mods/hacks?  No matter how small, lets show Pioneer what we want this baby to do!  The sky is the limit!

So Ohlarikd can you give an example of the changes you did to the file?

When I use notepad, it looks like this:


XM Preview                                               The 40s          The 50s          The 60s          The 70s          The 80s            The 90s         

America         
(some characters did not map over and are represented by the "" character)

Are you just changing the text to reflect the new name and it works?

Pete



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 6:50 AM
Good job guys! My new software arrived and I'm currently making the ISO for the west coast CD. 50MT v1.2 Will let you guys who wish to download it know where you can get the torrent once it's complete.

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 6:54 AM
Hmm... funny - I used a Hex Editor called HackMan to edit the file byte by byte. However,I never tried to edit it in Notepad directly. It might work - but I usually use a hex editor to avoid the possibility of anything changing on open or save (headers, formatting, text encoding, etc.) to be safe.

In the case of xL channels, you simply switch 'SquiZZ xL' to 'xL SquiZZ'. For the channels that changed names, like some comedy channels, changing the name didn't work. I will look into that.

Thanks for the UltraISO tip, by the way!

Derek




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 7:38 AM
Here is the ISO for the v1.2 West Coast DVD

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 7:38 AM
East Coast DVD will be up later!

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 1:07 PM
I set up a file upload/forum system at www.avic411.com
You can now upload files after you register.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 2:50 PM

Awesome dude!  Thanks a lot  Jason for setting up a upload/forum.  Great idea man! 

Don't forget guys- if you make some custom wallpapers, maybe we can have a category for that on the site too!

Pete



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 9:00 PM
I'll post up the edited XM file after I figure out the few oddball channels, if possible.

If we can figure out the PIM files, I noticed that XM changed all the logos, so maybe I can update the logo files with the new ones some day.

Derek




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 9:03 PM
Here is the ISO for the v1.2 East Coast DVD

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 20, 2006 at 10:15 PM
Do DVD's upgrade the n1 then or just for the N2




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 9:21 AM
I mean these ISO's that are posted here. Will they work for the N1




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 11:58 AM

If you open up a PIM file in IRFANVIEW, it has color options.  However, the colors seems to be a little bit off - as if there was some offset built in.  The header is definitely 16 bytes, and I see 2 bytes per pixel (from the hex dump).

So Photoshop seems to treat the RAW file as greyscale, but IRFANVIEW interprets color.  Maybe if we can try other Graphic apps, one of them will interpret the file correctly?

Derek





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 1:27 PM
Another idea just hit me...For the N2 software, has anyone found the actual bitmap that is displayed when trying to watch video while in motion?  The idea is, if this bmp can be found,. and made into an 'invisible' bmp, then it wouldn't matter cause you'd see the video which keeps playing, but in front of it would be nothin we see, cause it's invisible...or even better yet, just delete it from the dvd...just a thought.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 1:29 PM
This can also be tested, by deleting any of the bitmaps that you can normally see...and seeing if in the code they have what i like to call an on error resume next, or no exception handling at all.  I am going to test this as well, as it seems to be quick and feasible




Posted By: drayla
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 3:31 PM
WOW... Should be getting a D1 in a week or so and installed shortly there after.  After reading some of the posts about modding the boot up and background images i'm really glad i decided to look into it.  Kind of messed up that the D1 doesn't already have this capability, but it sounds like it will very soon with everyone sharing information....happy to help if i can...




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 3:45 PM
Ok - check it out. Got WATER.PIM to load into Irfanview:
https://home.comcast.net/~dohlarik/storage/WATER.jpg

500x240
Header:16
16 BPP
5:5:6
NOT Grayscale





Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 4:22 PM
Yep! Good work on finding Irfanview!

The Settings to use are
Width:500
Height:240
Header:16
16 BPP 5:5:5

It works PERFECT!




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 4:29 PM
Er, didn't see you allready posted the settings.

GREAT JOB ohlarikd!




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 4:35 PM
Posted all the jpegs of the default D1 backgrounds here: https://jasonhilton.us/d1/backgrounds/finished/

Now we just have to figure out the animated ones...lol




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 4:55 PM
Hmm, I'm having problems saving a jpeg as a raw with the same header/data with IrFanView. You have any luck saving them ohlarikd?




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 8:01 PM

I haven't had a chance to resave them.  If the header data gets lost, I guess you can write it down and reenter it afterwards with a hex editor.  Its only 16 bytes, so its easy.  The rest is pixel data.

I am still not convinced that any of the RGB choices is correct.  In particular, if you import 'wood', it doesn't look quite right.  Close, but off.  I think we need a RAW input program that allows user definable bit patterns.  I am still not sure how 3967h translates into white. 

Also - Irfanview doesn't allow drawing, so we need that.  But at least we are getting close to understanding the structure.  I will keep searching for a RAW input program that allows complete customization.

Derek





Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 8:02 PM

Also, there are a lot of backgrounds on the DVD that are not D1 options.  I wonder, if you put those background PIMs into the same directory of the ones that work, would we see them?  Guess I'll butn another DVD-RW!  RW rules.

Derek





Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 8:05 PM
The wood one - I will try to save it back to a PIM and put it on the DVD.  Maybe it ends up ok on the AVIC screen? 




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 8:26 PM
any takers on my idea ? I did a little research, and it seems that alot of the prompts are in what appear to be the firmware, but i can't be sure. Also, is it known what processor these units operate with ? If i can get a hold of the instruction set, we could problaby disassemble the firmware.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 9:49 PM
Irfan view - it loads the RAW image as 16-bit, but saves it as 24 bit. If you save the file, then reopen it with 0 bytes header and 24 bit color RGB Interleaved, it loads again. You'll see the file size is bigger too.

The header is easily added back with HackMan, I did it. But the 24 bit issue is a problem. I don't see an option to save it that way... it only allows downsampling to 8 bit, not 16 bit.

Errrrg.







Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 21, 2006 at 10:08 PM
The problem is most definitely that these image programs load in the '2-bytes per pixel' format (16-bit), but only save them as '3-bytes per pixel' (24 bit RGB).

We just need an application that can save it as 16-bit RGB color in 5:5:6.

If you open the RAW file in Irfanview, then save it as RAW, it becomes 24 bit. Go to Photoshop, which didn't work before, and load the RAW file as 3 channel interleaved 8-bit (24-bit color), and it looks fine.

So I understand now. But we still need a program.

Derek





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 22, 2006 at 2:24 AM

Well I have been tooling around with the 50MT discs i have gotten from a unamed party (thank you!) and I removed all the .PRG files and put the 40MT .PRG files on it.  No maps.  All I get is a turquoise background.  I am not messing around here with the single layer discs either, but making whole images on DL DVD's just to make sure there are NO anomalies.  Back to the drawing board.  There was no reflashing either after the swap, so I will revert the navigation OS .PRG file(s)  to the original new versions and see what strange anomalies await me now....

Peter



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 22, 2006 at 8:25 AM
So I put all the 'extra' background images into the same directory as the ones that work. The D1 now has access to all the backgrounds that are mysteriously available on the N series. There seems to be a file count limit though, as not all images on the list appeared. So be selective in which ones you choose. The other animated ones work too (although I wouldn't call color cycling 'animated').

Derek




Posted By: drayla
Date Posted: February 22, 2006 at 10:36 AM
hmmm any way we can get all the available BGs posted somewhere to make choosing easier?  How many are there?




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 22, 2006 at 10:45 AM
1) Put the NAV DVD in your PC
2) Copy all BG PIM images to PC and rename them to .RAW
3) Download and run Irfanview with all the plugins
4) Load the RAW images as 16-bit, 5:5:6 with a 16 byte header

You can now see them all quite easily and choose.

Derek




Posted By: iracekx
Date Posted: February 22, 2006 at 5:25 PM
I have the N2 did the bypass which also works on the Alpine DVD also. I want to up-grade my nav to the 1.2 and have read that it does nothing to the bypass. I used the wire on the end of a resistor to make my jumper that way I could easily pull it off. My silver tape peeled up very easy and restuck with no problems. I have been installing profesionally since 1986 so this was a cake walk for me. I would also bet that this bypass is for boats also. Because their is no law that you can not watch tv while the boat is moving. On most boats the radio is not where the driver can see it anyways. I was also told by our Pioneer rep that the mod for the N2 will work the same way for the N3, but he said that we are not to hook this up for customers, On my truck I ran mine through the emegency  brake and three switches  so anyone can not drive my truck and have access to video while driving. They say it is legal in Europe to watch video while in movement does that mean that they are better drivers than us. The key is never watch anything that you have not seen before that way you don't have to pay that much attention to the tv. I will not do this mod for any of my customers because I do not want a lawsuit headed my way. I do think that Pioneer should allow a little more access to Nav features IMO.

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Life begins at 150..........On a 2005 Blue R1. Full Akrapovic race system/PC3/Chrome wheels/Greggs flush mount turn signals/LP sliders/LP bra/Clifford 2.5/Pit Bull front & Rear stands/




Posted By: iracekx
Date Posted: February 22, 2006 at 5:39 PM
Ballerinstaller wrote:

I have extensively looked online for any modding/hacking to the navigation dvds for the  popular Pioneer Avic series navigation systems but I have found none. 

I have successfully changed the boot image though.  I have done this by making a iso image of the dvd on my hard drive and then using a iso editing tool like Ultraiso 7 ME to pluck out the BGOPEN.JPG default bootscreen file and then replacing it with a custom one that has the same name and resolution size of 500x240.  I then reburn the dvd on a dual layer dvd, reboot the nav system with the new disc inserted (press reset) and poof!  my bootscreen is no longer saying Pioneer, but looks like this :

I have DVD Decrypter and CloneDVD2 are you aware if these iso ware is capable of doing this. I take what you are doing is deleting that file taking photoshop and making a picture saving it as the BGOPEN.JPG on the iso image. I would like to make mine look similair to yours wilth the YAMAHA  logo in the middle Alpinestar logo in a corner Suomy logo in the other corner on the bottom corner the Yamaha tuning forks logo and the Sidi logo in the other corner. If you could guide me in what to use to create this I would certainly appreciate it. Did you use the 1.2 version if so did affect your bypass mod. Thanks in advance.

posted_image

I am also going to try to replace the default background images,do some performace gauges customization, and insert some new alarm sounds into my nav dvd.

What I would like to really do is strip the maps off of the N2 DVD and try to and I have to say *try* to insert them onto a N1 firmware Nav DVD so that we can have the best of both worlds (updated maps and still not suffer from the movie lockout while in motion) Any donations of copies of the N2 DVD's would surely be appreciated.

If anyone has any more tricks, please share them.

Pete

2000 Impala LS




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Life begins at 150..........On a 2005 Blue R1. Full Akrapovic race system/PC3/Chrome wheels/Greggs flush mount turn signals/LP sliders/LP bra/Clifford 2.5/Pit Bull front & Rear stands/




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 1:51 AM

OOhhh I had fun today reflashing my N1 as another revision of my modded nav discs did not work.

The purpose of this post is to further explain the reflashing procedure and other operation buttons.

Sush1a   Initially gave me the info on how to do this and now I give you the information to make it even easier.

You do not need a remote, at least not on my N1.  I just used the POS button on the bottom of the foldout screen to initiate the flash procedure and the BAND button acts as a BACK button.  Read on to see the whole procedure.

This works on my AVIC N1 so I believe that the buttons that I am about to speak of using will also map over to all other units too.

Unit should be on and do not interrupt power until flashing has completed or you will be sending unit back to manufacturer for Jtagging.  Unit will indicate when reflashing has completed.

I am not to be held liable for any damage to your unit and any of this information put forward is strictly for sheer enjoyment.

1.  Eject any DVD's /CD's from unit

2. HOLD EJECT and at same time press the reset button with toothpick or other tiny instrument.

3.  Keep holding the EJECT button as screen will cycle in and out. As screen comes back out, you can release the eject button.

4.  If all of this has been done successfully up to this point,  you should be staring at a screen that says in black and white "Press Reset Button"  DO NOT press the reset button or you will be doing steps 1-3 again.

5. Now this is the time to enter the code sush1a has provided us. While staring at the monitor screen with the message on it,  now use the Joystick to enter the following movements:

UP   RIGHT   UP   RIGHT   DOWN   RIGHT   DOWN   RIGHT    PRESS IN JOYSTICK  and you should be rewarded with a screen that  has some red in it and dissappears quickly and is replace by one that looks like this:

posted_image

Use the Joystick  and press it to the right once to navigate to next screen:

posted_image

Choose option #6 by pressing down on the joystick until option #6 is highlighted.

Now press the joystick in to select this option.

You should see this screen:

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For most of us, we will be choosing #1, #2 and #3 and obviously not at the same time.

Next we need to insert the NAV DVD that we want to force flash from.  Make sure it is clean and the right version!

Now it will prompt you with a option of what drive to flash from.  Logic dictates that we will be choosing the DVD ROM Drive.

If you try to start the flash by pressing in the joystick, you are wrong.  As sush1a indicated, you can use the /FUNCTION/ button on your remote to initiate this OR as with my N1, You can press the green POS button (middle button on bottom of folding screen).

Watch the data % and do not interrupt power until reflashing indicates complete!  My unit stopped responding after completing task, so you may need to re-enter service mode again and again to reflash all portions of the OS on your N1/N2.  I cycled power and Ba BOOM!  it reset, re-initialized and pow!  Not even a waypoint or the calibration file was touched.

Here is a file version screenshot for you hAckerS out there:

posted_image

posted_image

Sorry for the long post!



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 4:53 AM
So once you mod the loading screen you need to reflash it using this procedure to get the new loading screen to work?

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Pioneer AVIC-F700BT
Polk Audio MM6
Alpine MRD-M605
Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 11:42 AM
No reflashing for modding the loading screen dude.  This is for reverting new firmware back to old firmware and hacking the box. 

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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: iracekx
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 1:01 PM
Ballerinstaller can you guide me in the right direction here.I have DVD Decrypter and CloneDVD2 are you aware if these iso ware is capable of doing this. I take what you are doing is deleting that file taking photoshop and making a picture saving it as the BGOPEN.JPG on the iso image. I would like to make mine look similair to yours wilth the YAMAHA logo in the middle Alpinestar logo in a corner Suomy logo in the other corner on the bottom corner the Yamaha tuning forks logo and the Sidi logo in the other corner. If you could guide me in what to use to create this I would certainly appreciate it. Did you use the 1.2 version if so did affect your bypass mod. Thanks in advance

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Life begins at 150..........On a 2005 Blue R1. Full Akrapovic race system/PC3/Chrome wheels/Greggs flush mount turn signals/LP sliders/LP bra/Clifford 2.5/Pit Bull front & Rear stands/




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 1:40 PM
If this makes any sense... check out this web site  https://kiwi-w.mapmaster.co.jp/documents_eng.html  If you look at the media structure, you see there are pointers to certain record data...i wonder if we replace alldata.kwi and change the pointers with the old firmware if it will work...anyone try removing the graffic  i suggested earlier ?




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 2:12 PM
We are making fantastic progress with .pims on avic411.com
I had another idea.
Is the N1/N2 DVD Player in the firmware on the DVD? Is it possible to try and copy the DVD Playing firmware to the D1?




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 2:41 PM
I was told from a friend of mine to try replacing the EU040APL.PRG file from the n1 disc to the n2 disc, and see if it works...




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 2:43 PM
If anyone has opened an n1 unit, what is the processor being used ? If we know this that the firmware can be disassembled to find the instruction to look at the solder point for the n2, then the logic to change this can be made. Thanx




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 3:36 PM
I actually used adobe photoshop and used the size constraints of 500x240  and you can also get creative with windows paint too.  That's all folks.  I used Ultraiso to mod the iso and then reburned it.  Then don't forget to reset the N1 to reaccept the new file by pressing the reset button!

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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 3:38 PM

Thanks for the APL040.prg tip,  I will try it over the weekend



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: February 23, 2006 at 6:28 PM
WE CRACKED THE PIM FORMAT!
https://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38

Myself, ohlarikd, and Jerry have successfuly taken a color image, convirted it to .pim, and saved it on the AVIC-D1. Work's allmost perfect. Jpeg -> pim has a few minor issues.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 24, 2006 at 1:24 AM

Awesome dude! Congrats cracking the .PIM  Do you have a motion .PIM solution too?

Gotta go find another retailer for dual layer dvd's. Sprawlmart discontinued them here in Iowa.

Worstbuy has some, but who wants to buy a cakebox of 25 for $50?



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: ohlarikd
Date Posted: February 24, 2006 at 8:42 AM

Well, something is up with the gray colors, they tend to turn up with slight coloration, making photos look odd.  Still working on understanding how the AVIC handles these things.  We've even seen transparency occur (you can see the Navigation map running behind the AV background).

Those DLs are expensive.  I did worse, about $30 for 10.  Anyway, order them online - much cheaper if you can wait.  Looks like you have your hands full with the N1.  The D1 doesn't seem to have any issue with the bypass and the new 1.2 version.

Derek





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 24, 2006 at 9:23 AM
has anyone tried the d1 fix on an n1 ?




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 24, 2006 at 10:31 AM
Where you from Iowa at? Okoboji, Ia here...




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 24, 2006 at 1:59 PM
I'm chillin'  in the Coralville/Iowa City area.  Boy!  Interesting area with the lakes and all up there!  Is it really scenic up there Fearx24?

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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 25, 2006 at 4:46 PM
Has anyone got the new maps from vers 1.2 working on vers. 1.1 yet.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 1:59 AM
How is everyone burning there DVD+R for testing. I copy all the files I needed excluding the POI files so I can fit it onto a DVD+R for testing reasons and my avic n1 says it cant read any of the disc I create.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 2:00 AM
How is everyone burning there DVD+R for testing. I copy all the files I needed excluding the POI files so I can fit it onto a DVD+R for testing reasons and my avic n1 says it cant read any of the disc I create.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 5:03 AM
Are you making sure that you are checking the Finalize DVD box (if you are using Nero)?????

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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:09 AM
Yep Finalize option is checked.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 1:24 PM
Well I will have to go back and double check things. Could this possibly happen when removing some wrong POI files in the IDX folder. I have 5 coaster DVD's ready to try if I could get this to read them. hahaha




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 9:43 PM

free_refil wrote:

Here is the ISO for the v1.2 East Coast DVD

Since neither of these are currently being seeded, would you consider uploading them to a newsgroup like Pioneer.discussion? I just checked it, and there's only 13 messages posted (mostly spam), so I think that would be great substitute for bittorent.

I just installed an N1 in my Monte and am looking forward to some good hacking!





Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:06 PM
I got the West Coast Downloaded. It took forever though. I currently have the East Coast downloading now. Taking forever with the lack of people.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 10:47 PM

I Dunno what may be wrong man.  I am using Ultraiso 7 media edition and Nero 6.6.0.16 and I have burned like 12 dvd's with different file combinations to see if I can bypass that sappy "no video viewing while car is in motion" stuff and I had no read errors.



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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 26, 2006 at 11:26 PM
Hey I have it working no problem now man. Im subbing files like crazy trying to get this thing to work. I have made about 10 so far. Hopefully we will find a solution soon.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:41 AM


1.    EU040APL.PRG   Purpose:???
The purpose of this file I found was Application. Also I noticed when I just substituted this file and it installed the Application I was locked out from watching video. Also the menus were all screwed up. I will try installing everything but this once.





Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 2:14 AM
In my findings I have found that the EU040APL.PRG application file which is the menus and stuff I think also locks the unit. I tried installing just this and nothing else and My unit was locked from playing video while driving, but when file was not installed the unit was not locked during my drive. The menus where all screwed up though in the GPS.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 10:00 AM
OK i replaced all files in the root, leaving behind the maps files etc, and it seemed to work, again the only thing wrong was the fact that it recognized new addresses, but seemed to be messed up when trying to route to them...now i was readin this https://kiwi-w.mapmaster.co.jp/index_eng.html and it seems that there are pointers to different things in the files...now if we can collectively break up tasking of how to index map data and such, i think we can break this.  IDEAS?




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:36 PM
Which files exactly are the maps files?




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:45 PM
I notice your link now. So all the kiwi files are the map files?




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:48 PM

Hmmm you guys found and matched my results exactly.  I also was able to sub out the 010apt from 40mt while  keeping the original 50mt  040APL and unit still suffered from the lockout, but software still at least worked.   I have a friend that is good at hexing things and he said that a 4meg file can't be too complicated and so maybe he could hex it and eliminate the call to monitor the gyro or gps.

Anyone have a 100% proven knowledge what sensor or sensors are monitored?  I am at the point of disassembling my unit and finding if the n-1 can have the resistor mod done to it.

Now if Pioneer says that the N-1 and the N2 are architectually the same unit, just different software, that R197 mod should essentially be able to do both units, although I believe the N-1 lacks a little window with a silver sticker over it.  This means I'm gonna have to clear off my ESD table, get the static wrist strap out, and tear into my head unit.

This would not be the first time I opened my head unit.  I had an issue after installing some neon lights, which by the way had nothing to do with the stereo so don't ask me how it messed it up. 

I blew the ground open on the RCA's.  Yup, it did not sound good.  There were a bunch of bleeps, pops and the music sounded like it was an echo.

I measured the sleeves of the rca's to the chassis and they were a 200kohm open so I tore into it.  I found the culprit of the open in the bottom half of the unit on the tiny riser PCB that the rca's plug into.  I had to desolder the card from the chassis and on it was a tiny black pachage that had a FZ denotion next to it. (aha! a fuse!!!)  and I measured across it and wow, it had chassis ground  on one side and the rca ground on the other.  I replaced the part with aother smt fuse of similar amperage (I don't have a clue what the original part's specs were)

I do not suggest to open up your unit to work on it.  It is a very complicated device.  I only merely did it as I possess the knowledge on how to solder smt components, along with paste solder, flux, and a special heat gun (soldering irons can do more damage!!!)

I am going to further investigate on the web to see if anyone has tried the r197 mod on a N1 series unit before I tear into the compexities of my unit.



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Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 12:58 PM

I would suggest while you have it open, to note the processor it uses.  Once this is found, i can almost bet if the binary is not encrypted, that we can disassemble the program.  Once this is done, i am thinking again from a vb programmer standpoint. that:

if sensor_pulses > 0 then disable_video watching   <--- or consider this

at the boot sequence, on the n1,n2 etc it is checking for this r197, so change the logic of this check to say always positive, so that soldering is not necessary. so in this case...

if r197 = soldered (true) then donotexecute_videocheck else execute_videocheck

does this make sense ?  I have IDA pro (Interactive disassembler) and some people i work with who do nothing but embedded software all day long.

The only info needed is the processor being used.  And to be safe, maybe inventory all the different chips which may look like processors, and it may offload tasks to other chips etc,





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:01 PM

i was merely suggesting that the kwi format has some logic to it in the sense that if you replaced just the map data and kept all the program files, the dvd works, boots etc, plays video, but when you try to nqavigate to a place, it never knows how to.  The other confusing thing is when you goto search for new addresses in t he new database, previously known not to be found in the old database, it works.





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:04 PM
Also, Ballerinstaller i think Pioneer uses the same exact software for N series, only because i see one firmware file. from a programmer standpoint and from a $$$ standpoint, i think it makes more sense to use what proves to work than to re-architect it.  I think the newer firmware has updated routines that if found through hardware, enable, or else disable.  Again this is my thought, and i do not know this for fact.  Heck, maybe it'd be worth investigating whether or not an N2 can load N1 software, it would perhaps prove the firmware is the same....just a thought




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:07 PM
If you ever took the unit apart, its not very easy to see the proc- the majority of the board is hidden under the loading mech.  really awful design to work on.  So many screws- so many few holes to put them back in!

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Polk EX series in factory locations
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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:09 PM

Well I know that the N1 can load N2 software.  I have swapped it a dozen times working on a fix.  What fun it is to reflash that many times!  I am afraid I am going to wear out my flash chip!



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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:10 PM
I believe that the N2 can run the n1 software.  any one else out there can prove this?

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2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
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Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:34 PM
I was thinking about taking my N1 apart to and see if I can find the r197. Maybe its just not in a very handy place like it is on the N2. I just figured someone tried this already and it didnt exist because I cant find anyone trying this and it seems like people would of done this first.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:44 PM
has anyone tried the d1 fix on the n1 ?




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 1:58 PM

also for this:

Anyone have a 100% proven knowledge what sensor or sensors are monitored

I think someone else said the speed sensor and gyros are monitored





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 2:33 PM

The next time I take my N1 apart, I am gonna take pictures of every part, heck I will SCAN them on my scanner.  Then anyone with a N2 (perhaps a fried one)  take that sucker apart and do the same so we can compare the arcitecture and perhaps we can find that elusive R197 or a derivative of the sorts.



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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 3:16 PM
I called pioneer and argued with them that after my n2 upgrade, i was unable to listen to dvd audio...he also suggested to me to upgrade to the n3 software, which i thought you couldn't




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 4:52 PM
Man this thing is hell to take apart. I have a filling its going to take a little while....




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 27, 2006 at 5:27 PM
Well I have it completely tore apart. I am looking for any signs of R197 and havnt found yet. What do you all want me to record while its all apart. What info?




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 12:20 AM

Wow that was quick!  your radamadidio must be easy to remove.  Geez, it would take a half hour to get to mine.

Well take some hi-res pics of the mainboard, front and back.  If you got a scanner, please scan both sides.

What I would be looking for is if I can get a hires scan of a N2 board, it is going to be somewhat different than our N1 boards, but if I can see where the R197 traces originate from on the N2, we could theoretically find the pins of the same chip on the N1 board and put a jumper in for the N1.  Catch my drift?



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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 9:16 AM
perfectly put




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 10:57 AM
Yep, I got ya. I can get my head unit out in about 10 mins or less. Pretty easy. Also it ended up being easy to take apart. At first I thought it looked tough but I can get it apart in about 5 or 10 mins. I have one problem.   I have a 4.2mp camera but I cant get it to focus in on the small writing on the board. I need some pics of a n2 board so I can just compare them and try and trace it.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 11:17 AM
I just noticed you said use a scanner. I will have to try that next.   I just put the unit back together and in my car so I have it for the day. But when we need pics I can take it out quick no problem...




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 12:21 PM

Most digital cameras have a closeup mode.  It is usualy depicted on the camera as a icon of a flower and is called "Macro" mode.  I'd prefer scanners as I have had good luck scanning the artwork of many boards that way.  Thanks for all the help.



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Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 1:03 PM
yep I tried closeup but I just couldnt get the writing to come out very well. I will use a scanner that should work good. I am going to install my xm radio stuff this week so I will pull my n1 out again and take it apart capturing all the pics.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: February 28, 2006 at 6:33 PM
I don't know where you're talking about. They'll need 12.7GB of space for me to up both CD's and plenty of bandwidth to serve it to everyone who wants it. Sorry for my seeding dropping in and out, it's been solid for the first few days I was upping but I'm gettin' pissed that nobody is continuing to seed. If it's just this few people that need it we should be able to rely on those few people realizing the need for other seeders. Oh well, let me know if you know a place that'll host the 12.7GB.

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Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: March 01, 2006 at 12:55 AM
Hopefully we can come up with some pictures of the N2 board soon. Anyone have any luck on where we can get some. So we can find out where those pins lead to and trace them.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 9:59 AM
Also i am wondering if this https://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_238821110_236618163,00.html hold the key to updating the mapdata on our 1.1 discs...




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 11:38 AM
i just got the cndv-60 discs, for the n3, d2 it is the same disc for both units, also works in the d1, havent tried on an n1 or n2 yet.

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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 12:29 PM
So what does the 60 series discs improve upon?  Is is just newer maps?

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Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
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Posted By: rcho
Date Posted: March 02, 2006 at 7:14 PM
Could Someone please upload or share the new CNDV-60M Software. Thanks.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 6:45 AM
Wow, new software already, damnit! Oh well, I guess I should have waited for the N3 to come out before ordering new disks from Pioneer. Hopefully someone will up the new disks. If not, I might be in the marker for an N3 (wife REALLY wants a navi and N2 and N3 are same price, so she can have the old one ;)

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Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
KnuKoncepts Power Wire




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 8:52 AM

free_refil wrote:

I don't know where you're talking about. They'll need 12.7GB of space for me to up both CD's and plenty of bandwidth to serve it to everyone who wants it. Sorry for my seeding dropping in and out, it's been solid for the first few days I was upping but I'm gettin' pissed that nobody is continuing to seed. If it's just this few people that need it we should be able to rely on those few people realizing the need for other seeders. Oh well, let me know if you know a place that'll host the 12.7GB.

That's why I suggested using a newsgroup instead. You post it once and that's it. No keeping connected to seed, etc. I use Giganews, and their current advertised retention is well over 90 days for binaries, over a year for text. The newsgroup I suggested is a dead group with only a handfull of spam messages, making it ideal to post in. If and when I ever get the torrent to finish, I will through it into WinRAR and post it there (pioneer.discussion).





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 03, 2006 at 9:30 AM
I meant I will run it through WinRAR and upload it when it's done!

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Posted By: yh165
Date Posted: March 04, 2006 at 9:00 PM
I have a website I'd be willing to host the files on... I have 50GB of space available and 500GB/mo of transfer.  I dont have the tech experience to help too much with this project, but I'd like to help however possible since I'd like to reap some of the benefits of what you guys are doing.  Let me know if I can do anything.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 05, 2006 at 7:06 AM
Thanks for the excellent work here, and at the other site. Yesterday I successfully created my own DVD5 and changed my boot image! I stripped all the poi files and used an RW. And Jason, you are one determined man. I even saw your PIM question to Google! Too bad they haven't found an answer yet.

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Posted By: yh165
Date Posted: March 05, 2006 at 5:09 PM
Well, I've started downloading the torrents to post on my site... according to the program, the East disc will be available in 32 days. posted_image




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: March 05, 2006 at 8:37 PM
Which version are you downloading? 1.2 with the N2 software. I would like to get the N3 software from someone if they have it to download?




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 05, 2006 at 11:01 PM
only thing ive noticed on the new software is more poi's, updated maps, a different slpit screen view, and when you are on the freeway, and your turn is coming up, it will show all the lanes of traffic on top, and the ones that you have to be in to make the turn.

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Posted By: yh165
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 3:49 AM
I am dl'ing the ones posted to torrent.  I believe they are N2 v1.2 East & West.  As for infinkc, there should also be updates to use XMNav Traffic with the N1.  You don't get all the cool XM upgrades like "Memo" and graphics tho (from what I've read... if someone know's differently, please let me know).
 
ALSO... if someone can tell me, will a double-din deck (like the Z1, god i want that thing) fit into my 2000 Expedition??  I can't find a straight answer anywhere and REALLY want the Z1.




Posted By: iracekx
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 8:20 AM
It also fixes the millitary time on the N2.

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Posted By: Preservedswine
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 4:39 PM
Any PM with the torrent address would be appreciated!




Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 5:29 PM
i'll take a torrent too!




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 6:40 PM

Both torrents are located here: https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3447429.

I will be posting this, and the CNDV-40 v1.2 images to the pioneer.discussion newsgroup once I'm done downloading the torrent. For everyone trying to get the torrent, I am 96% done with disc 1 and 84% done with disc 2. However, when I will actually finish them is a mystery. I've dedicated my up and down speeds to these two torrents since the 27th, but with the peers coming and going, it's taking a very, very long time.



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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 06, 2006 at 6:41 PM
explor202 wrote:

Both torrents are located here: https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3447429.

I will be posting this, and the CNDV-40 v1.2 images to the pioneer.discussion newsgroup once I'm done downloading the torrent. For everyone trying to get the torrent, I am 96% done with disc 1 and 84% done with disc 2. However, when I will actually finish them is a mystery. I've dedicated my up and down speeds to these two torrents since the 27th, but with the peers coming and going, it's taking a very, very long time.


Sorry, I meant seeds coming and going. I wish I could edit my posts!!



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Posted By: yh165
Date Posted: March 07, 2006 at 6:35 AM
I've looked... and I don't see a pioneer.discussion newsgroup.  Not in Google, not in UseNext, not anywhere.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 07, 2006 at 6:01 PM

It's there, I think you just need a decent newsprovider. I checked Google Groups and don't see it either.  Both Giganews and  Newscene carry it though. Many newsproviders carry free trials, so it might be worth it to join one just to grab these files and then cancel it. I have finally completed my download of disc 1, and am 96% done with the other. However, there's no seeds again, so who knows how much longer it will be.

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Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 4:17 AM
Someone PM me to discuss upping the v1.2 software

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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 12:43 PM

**UPDATE**   For all you N1 owners that want the new maps, and not have the lockout, I got the new map from the 50MT disc to work on the 40MT ver 1.2 software disc!!!!   All I did was copy the ALLDATA.KWI over from the new disc to the old disc (and of course I removed the old version of the file!)  This will not work on the original release ver 1.0 software.   I had to downgrade two firmwares in my unit to do this: Application and System OS.  The new maps come right up.  THIS MAP DISC IS A SINGLE LAYER VERSION BETA.  I cannot route presently as I do not have the POID and POISR files on here.  I will give it a try right now  by burning a dual layer.  Wish me luck! ( Otherwise I may have wasted a good DL DVD!)



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2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
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Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 1:17 PM
It didnt work for me. I ended up wasting a DL DVD. I copied just the alldata file over from 50mt to my 1.1 mt and the maps do work and everything but when I did a search for my home address it was like 2 miles off on the location and it was like that with every address I entered... Let us know how it goes though because you said 1.2 40mt and I tried it on the 1.1 40mt.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 7:25 PM
Both the torrents finished downloading overnight for me (finally!). As I mentioned earlier, I am willing to post them to the newsgroup, but it's going to be a major drain on the PC to compress/split the files using WinRAR. If there is enough interest from this group, I will do it though. Please reply to this and let me know. I will post both the CNDV-40MT and CNDV-50MT discs.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 08, 2006 at 7:36 PM

For some of the best prices on DL discs, check out TigerDirect.com

https://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/category/category_slc.asp?Catid=1769



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Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 9:32 AM

Japan
MB86291A
0421 Z06
Graphic Processor

NEC Japan
D705103GM-180
v833
0421EX040

is what i got from another site...





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 9:33 AM
as for the dvd dl, you can leave out the idx folder, and burn to a dvd rw...that's how i've been testing it.  I have gotten the data swap to work for my home address only...any other address i have tried to use simply returns me to the previous screen.




Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 10:26 AM
Yep I posted that over at AVICX1forums.com I must of forgot to post that here.

Thanks




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 12:07 PM

POIDT001.IDX----POIDT028.IDX  are used for street address indexes

POIDT029.IDX---POIDT042.IDX are freeway indexes

POIDT043 are your point of interest files.

I see now the diference between the formats of the old and new dvd's.  The new version will be much faster due to the way the index files are made. The index files have their records more compact as they have much space removed when compared to the old version.  You can see the difference by comparing the old and new "INDEXDAT.KWI" files.

I did waste a DL dvd.  The nav would work, but I had to be within 5 miles of intended destination for it to map properly.  I copied the IDX folder carrying all the nav guidance indexes from the 50 series disc to the 40 series ver1.2 and will see when I go to work today if that works.



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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
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Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 1:45 PM
Woah, i had no idea that website existed. I searched high and low before I created AVIC411.com. Now it's going to look like I ripped off AVICX1Forums.com. Oh well.




Posted By: yh165
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 5:35 PM
The X1 is the european version tho, no?  Does that change anything for the US versions of hardware/software?
 
Also, no answer yet to whether or not I can get the AVIC Z1 into my 2000 Expedition, anyone have the right answer?
 
And last, I'm 90+% on the 50MT East disc, 20-something on the West.  I'll try to get the files hosted as soon as I'm finished getting them.




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 9:09 PM
Hey guys. I have been running the 40MT discs version 1.2

Pioneer sent me a few updates, but this is the most recent disc. If I call pioneer will they send me the 50MT discs or will I have to pay for them?




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 09, 2006 at 11:43 PM

Gotta pay for them.  If you are going to do that, you may as well buy the CNDV60 so you have the most recent

cboldman wrote:

Hey guys. I have been running the 40MT discs version 1.2

Pioneer sent me a few updates, but this is the most recent disc. If I call pioneer will they send me the 50MT discs or will I have to pay for them?





Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 10, 2006 at 12:53 AM
Ok. I was under the impression that we dont yet know if the news V60 discs will operate in the older AVIC's? My understanding is that if I purchase the 50MT discs, this will upgrade my unit to and AVIC N2.

If I purchase the V60 discs will this upgrade my unit to and N3?




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 10, 2006 at 12:47 PM

Of course it will work in your avic, Pioneer makes everything backwards compatible.  It will not turn your old avic into an n3 though.  It will give the N1 and N2 the same mapping and navigation improvements as the N3 has.

As far as the 50mt disks turning your n1 to an n2, that is true with the exception you won't be able to watch video while moving or use most of the navigation functions while in motion (unless you have the voice recognition.)

cboldman wrote:

Ok. I was under the impression that we dont yet know if the news V60 discs will operate in the older AVIC's? My understanding is that if I purchase the 50MT discs, this will upgrade my unit to and AVIC N2.

If I purchase the V60 discs will this upgrade my unit to and N3?





Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 10, 2006 at 6:32 PM
Cool, I see. Hey guys, I am currently downloading the 50MT West Coast disc and it looks like no one is seeding. Anyone care to boot up their torrent program so I could finish up the DL?




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 11, 2006 at 5:24 AM
2 things I am interested in are, increasing the memory in the unit so I can take the disk out. Since the N3 now has 64megs and the firmware is the same on both units are upgrading with the new disk. I wonder if I solder in a new memory chip it will take use of the extra amount? Also I want to be able to edit the map data so I can add streets that they seam to miss every year. I think the new disk should be focused on since it is the most current. Wish I was able to download a copy to play with. Anyone have any luck with map kwi files yet?




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 11, 2006 at 10:43 AM

No luck with the kwi files yet.  I'd stay away from changing the amount of memory in the unit as the main program will probably have to be modified to accomodate the extra memory as all the stack pointers and the memory map would have to be changed.  I did not look to see if the part is a SMT or a BGA either.  The firmware does make reference to a memory card slot.  Anybody know about if a card slot exists inside of this machine or perhaps a open connector for additional memory may be connected through another device?

I know that present memory devices have grown exponentially and outfitting this unit with a gig of memory is now a reality.  Who knows?



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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 6:23 AM




Posted By: xstephenx
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 7:12 PM
I finally got a seeder, I will continue seeding as long as other people need it, just post if you still need someone to seed.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 12, 2006 at 8:57 PM
Sorry about the seeding guys. I've been having a lot of power outages for the past 3 days that's making my modem go bizerk! I'll continue to seed. The wife is off this week for spring break so I'm going to have to limit my daytime up speed to 40k. At night time it will be an unlimited 2MB though...

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 1:49 AM

I am seeding the west disk.

Here is the datasheet on the processor in the N1. Its not the UPD705103 buts its the same family. There are no datasheets on the UPD705103 that I could find.  I will be working on disassembling some files on the 50Mt version as soon as I can get some time. I would really like to figure out how to disable the lockout as well as read and edit POIs and map data. Anyone that is able the help on this feel free.

https://pdf1.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/view/7001/NEC/UPD705102.html





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 2:27 AM

NEC's  V830 seams to be the core instruction set. Here is some more info on this....

https://www.ee.nec.de/_pdf/U10064EJ3V0UM00.PDF





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 8:32 AM
I will have an N1 and N2 available soon...i have a 5.2 mgpixel cam so hopefull yi can take pics




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 1:35 PM

As far as I know it should work in the N2. Not sure about the bypass however. Give it a shot. If it doesnt work, downgrade back. Any chance of putting up the CNDV-60M west coast disk on a torrent?





Posted By: alfonse225
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 1:54 PM
Does anyone have the CNDV-40R discs, or even cndv-20? I'm still using a remote control system (avic-90), and someone sat on my disc, breaking it posted_image




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 2:44 PM
wrecklesswun, how soon is soon? Photos will be a big help to me (us) on this project. Please be sure to write down all chip numbers that you can find.




Posted By: jasonschwenk
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 4:57 PM
what does theCNDV-60M do and how do i get it?




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 5:11 PM

scarface78 wrote:

I don't have it yet ... i was about to get them from PIONEER ... that's why i want to know if CNDV-60M will work with Avic-N2 and if it won't mess up my BYPASS ... Also i know there is DOWNGRADE available for AVIC-n1 but i didn't hear about DOWNGRADE for AVIC-n2 ... so i would like to know before i install it or buy it.

Have you tried the same routine for the N2 as the N1? It should be the same. Try to get into the factory service menu the same way its done on the N1. You should be able to.





Posted By: rcho
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 6:05 PM
Does anyone what to buy a copy of the new N3 CNDV-60M DVD Software East & West for $50 shipped, will upgrade both N1 & N2 to N3, Please send question or requests to rich_am@hotmail.com.




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 6:12 PM
Yeah guys, any chance we could get a torrent of the CNDV-60M files?

rcho: maybe a few of us could paypal you some cash to throw up a bittorent?




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 6:26 PM
I'd be down for the v60 software!

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 6:51 PM

I got the CNDV-50MT Europe disk now. If anyone needs this I will start a torrent. From what I understand this disk will not lock you out while driving. I will see what I can find out.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 13, 2006 at 6:52 PM
Also if there is a specific file you would like to play with PM me and I will get it to you.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 8:21 AM
Perhaps using the Europe firmware with the US maps will work?




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 8:25 AM

Datwo, i can test that ...if you can zip up all the files only in the root directory of the dvd and email it to me.





Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 8:28 AM
if theres any files anyone would like to try on the new ver 60 software, let me know what files and i can send them to you, also specify east or west.

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 12:19 PM
Any chance of getting CNDV-60MP West on a torrent?




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 12:57 PM
I got a better idea... since $50 comes so easy for you why don't you buy me a copy and I will happily put it up as a torrent. If I am going to pay any amount of money for software it sure wont be a pirated copy of it. Maybe the new disk will end up locking you out on your N2 and you will require are help to fix the problem. When you do I will be sure to send you the bill. The reason I want the new disk is to see the differences in the files including the maps. I am attempting to make an editor so you as well as others will be able to add, change, remove streets. I am also working on a software fix for the lockout of the N1. All of my work will be free when I am done. The reason I want the west disk is because that's where I am located so I can test it. Putting up a torrent isn't hard work and I am sure people here will help seed it. I am seeding the east and west disk of the 50mt USA version right now so maybe someone else out there can help with this project. The Europe version of the 50Mt for the AVIC-X1 will be on a torrent later today




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 1:59 PM
Yeah, a torrent will only help our cause. I would like to figure out the lookout problem and Datwo's editor sure sounds neat.




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 2:26 PM
scarface78 wrote:

What Avic are you using software 60 on ... i just bought copies of CNDV-60MP East and West ... i just want to make sure before i INSTALL it ... that it WON't DISABLE my Video Lockout BYPASS on my AVIC-N2


i loaded the 60 on my d1, it works on the n1, n2 also but im not sure what it does on those, but it was designed for them also. $50 is way too much to spend for the disks, If someone has a server to up them at i would, or if enough people are interested in donating a few $ i can open up a seperate domain/host for them and let you dl the files, with full rights to use the space as storage for other things and mods for the nav unit. i would use my domain but my bandwidth isnt that great per month.

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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 2:45 PM
I agree.  All the work that is accomplished on this joint project is to better the software for all of us, not fatten our wallets.  This may be hard work for the ones that are decompiling and switching files around, but without the raw tools of the right software in these guys hands, the cause is futile and useless. I support fully anyone needing the software.   Unfortunatley  I do not know how to seed, or I would be sharing right now.  Can someone point me in the right direction?  I have the two 40 series and one 50 series available.

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Posted By: wastedtime2525
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 2:56 PM
i used to be a software programmer, i currently have the n1 and am downloading the 50mt disc, i want to fix the lockout issues as well and would like to help anyway i can. And im guessing hte lockout is the same on the avic n3 as well, so a fix for one means a fix for the other.

the answer must lie in the europe versions that have no lockout, if i was to get my hands on that and the proper compiler/decompiler i might be able to come up with something




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 3:18 PM

As promised... Pioneer CNDV-50MT EW A (Europe AVIC-X1(R))

Torrent At: https://thepiratebay.org/details.php?id=3457486

This is in .rar format so the download is way smaller (Only 3 gigs verses almost 8) Also their tracker seams to be having some issues so if you guys cant connect, please contact me and I will move it to a different tracker.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 3:25 PM

scarface78 wrote:

yEAH ITS to mouch for you to pay $50 for PIRATED copy but you don't mind getting PIRATED COPY for free right ... ok if you against Pirated Copies then wait for it from PIONEER and pay $275 coz that's how much they will charge you.

When you can explain to me why you deserve $50 for someone else's work then maybe we will think about it. I do not support pirating for financial gains. This is what you are doing. Getting a copy for your own personal use is one thing but turning around and selling it for profit is another. You wont be getting any money from me.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 5:33 PM
scarface78 wrote:

Datwo] wrote:

scarface78 wrote:

yEAH ITS to mouch for you to pay $50 for PIRATED copy but you don't mind getting PIRATED COPY for free right ... ok if you against Pirated Copies then wait for it from PIONEER and pay $275 coz that's how much they will charge you.

When you can explain to me why you deserve $50 for someone else's work then maybe we will think about it. I do not support pirating for financial gains. This is what you are doing. Getting a copy for your own personal use is one thing but turning around and selling it for profit is another. You wont be getting any money from me.


WHAT THE HELL you talking about man ... I SAID that I BOUGHT COPY for $50 ... I didn't say THAT I WANT TO SELL IT for PROFIT ... i just said ... if PEOPLE want it so BAD ... they can do what i DID ... go SEND the E-Mail to this guy and ALSO BUY IT FROM HIM ... where did you get your story about me trying to make PROFIT ...... ?????


OK, I see it isn't you that was trying to sell it. That still doesnt change how I feel on the subject. I wont be giving anyone money for a "copy" of software. If it was for the cost of the disk and postage then that's a different story but I wont pay for the actual software.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 6:20 PM

Really its a moot point that you bought the disks. If you are happy then I guess I will be happy for you. And as for giving the software away free or charging, both are wrong however look at it from this perspective. Why should he be paid $50 for them as well? Now, when you do get the disks do you think you can put up a torrent with them? I will wait. I mean after all you got a good deal so pass on your savings please.posted_image I do agree with you that the disks are over priced and to be honest I feel you should be able to get updates at a nominal fee (Maybe $20 or so for at least 2 years) I mean Its not like they do a whole lot on changing the feature set. Its more of a map update. The funny thing is I installed the new 50MT version over my original 40MT and lost the street the goes to my house. Funny how an updated disk actually has incorrect  information that old version was just fine with. This is why I want an editor.  Also when pioneer decides that the product is at its end of life and doesnt make an update anymore then we will all be screwed. With an editor at least you can fill in the blanks on areas you will use it in.

Side note, has any programmer taken a look at the kiwi map format?





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 6:40 PM
[2006-03-14 18:48:43] "cndv_50mt_ew_a.rar" : Problem connecting to tracker - <urlopen error is the rror i get using the torrent




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 6:44 PM
How the hell can you RAR up an 8 gig disk to 3 gigs????

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Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 7:01 PM
its $55 for me to get a host and host the files for 15gb , so if anyone is interested pm me, the more people interested the cheaper it is, alot cheaper than buying a copy. if i get 10 people thats only $5 each, the ip for downloading will only be given out to people who donate.

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Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 7:01 PM
byte mapping...single instance storage




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 7:30 PM

free_refil wrote:

How the hell can you RAR up an 8 gig disk to 3 gigs????

It really compresses well. The map data is like a big text file.





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 7:50 PM

posted_image

Here are the files needed to swap...if you can send me those files from the europe dvd, i can try by loading the firmware, but using the us discs





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 7:58 PM
wrecklesswun, PM me your email and I will rar up the root files and email them to you so you can play with them.




Posted By: hybridamp
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 8:02 PM
So I'm still lost, the 60 upgrade does work on the N2 without disabling the bypass?  And does it add the new enhanced iPod/XM interface that the N3 has?




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 8:13 PM
the next question i have is for the N2, using the 50mt discs, is it mandatory that the r197 jumper be installed? or just the brake wire grounded?




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 8:55 PM
I found the file that has the "CAUTION: this navi is soley...." Im not sure how it is referenced with the nav screen, i think im going to try and edit what it says and burn the files that are needed to a dvd-r and see what comes up if anything, anyone know the minimum files needed to get this thing booted up? TIA

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 9:04 PM

infinkc wrote:

I found the file that has the "CAUTION: this navi is soley...." Im not sure how it is referenced with the nav screen, i think im going to try and edit what it says and burn the files that are needed to a dvd-r and see what comes up if anything, anyone know the minimum files needed to get this thing booted up? TIA

Don't bother. The file you will be editing is the navigation application firmware file. This would need to be flashed to the ROM before you would ever see a change. I wouldn't go editing a firmware image with a hex editor and flash it because one mistake and you may not be able to boot it back up. There appears to be 4 banks on the flash ROM for updates. each can be done individually.





Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 14, 2006 at 11:17 PM
Yeah, I would be down with paypalling a few bucks to get the right files into the hands of someone who might fix the lockout.

I also wouldnt mind getting the latest 60 map version.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 12:25 AM

CNDV60 disks work fine in an N2.  No change in bypass needed.  It will not give you enhanced ipod/xm, as that was part of the hardware change

hybridamp wrote:

So I'm still lost, the 60 upgrade does work on the N2 without disabling the bypass?  And does it add the new enhanced iPod/XM interface that the N3 has?





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 12:28 AM

Its mandatory if you want to use functions while moving

wrecklesswun wrote:

the next question i have is for the N2, using the 50mt discs, is it mandatory that the r197 jumper be installed? or just the brake wire grounded?





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 12:32 AM

I think that we may be on to something with the european firmware.  I had looked over the code and most files have a list of associated files for the version sewn into them.  You may need to hex the european firmware and change this list otherwise you may get that "Please insert proper disc" message.

Ciao



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Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 2:19 AM
Yeah, if someone is able to fuse the euro firmeware with the data from the cdm60 map discs we may be able to get by the lockout issue.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 11:53 AM
tried the euro firmware, and no go. i get a constant reboot of the system.




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 12:35 PM

scarface78 wrote:

I JUST INSTALLED  new Software CNDV-60M on my Avic-N2 ... everything works GREAT ... VIDEO/NAV BYPASS still WORKS GREAT ... New Software has UPDATED Icons and Colors looks Great.

Any chance you can put it on a torrent now?





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 1:44 PM
Hell if he sold 6 copies he would have the software for free too right? No real need to argue with you. I understand you are unwilling to help on this in any way. My question is why you even here then? Please do me a favor and anything that is released here... DONT DOWNLOAD IT. We will burn it to a disk and sell it to you if you want to use it. I mean all the talk about being fair and all. I know I don't like to work for free. I am sure if that new disk would have locked you out, you would have been the first one here crying about it. Best part about this is I am sure the new disk will use a different format than the older version I have and when I (we) release tools to edit the files... its not gonna work for you anyways!




Posted By: hybridamp
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 4:38 PM

scarface78:

So where's the pics of your N2 showing the new N3 menus and functionality? 





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 7:23 PM
Ballerinstaller wrote:

I just made my default customized performance screen.  It's kinda basic, but of course its just a test of what is capable in this Nav modding.

Now if I could just figure out how to make this N-1 read mp3 encoded data DVD's.  Anyone try this yet?  That would be bling bling baller to have a dual layer dvd with over 8 gigs of your favorite mp3's, eh?

posted_image

I'm gonna try a crystal clear version of this to see if I can see the wallpaper image behind the face of this template.


Did you ever have any luck with this? I'm dying to try it myself, but haven't found a suitable way of doing it.



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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 15, 2006 at 7:33 PM
scarface78, I am not asking for the whole disk. Could you please help me by at least giving out the root files on the disk? I am try to get to the bottom of the lockout issue as well as disassembling the firmware. I have a friend that will be coming out this weekend the does embedded programming for a printer manufacture. He is going to lend a hand to this effort. The more data I have the better our chances. I have an ftp. The files should compress to a very small archive. Since you are the only one replying to posts on here with the disks I am asking for your help.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 12:38 AM

Are you referring to the clear performance gauges or the mp3 functionality Explor202?

I gave myself the clear gauges and you really can't read the dials well and the mp3 dvd stuff has limited functionality by using a program called AudioDVD (version 1.9) is what I have used successfully to make audio dvd's.  I have gotten about 44 cd's on one dvd and that is not even a dual layer.  One cannot have more than 12 hours in one directory/folder and for some reason not all the media is used (only about 65% is burned) when you do make the disc.   All together I have gotten about 44 hours on a disc. The program has customizing of the fonts and background pictures so you can change them to suit your tastes.



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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 5:28 AM

Sorry, I was referring to the clear gauges. I've been experimenting with that too. I used M$ PictureIt last night to "extract" the three gauge faces, and will try to apply them to a blank back this weekend to see if it works.

I used AudioDVD too, but didn't load it with CD's. I loaded it with all the MP3's I have, and it seems to work just fine. While I haven't gone thru the entire disc, it appears to have burned over 400 MP3's without a problem. It took all day, but it works!



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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 10:23 PM
Willing to bet the reason that the ipod stuff doesnt work is due to the memory limit in the N1/N2.




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 11:33 PM
I have heard from others that the ipod interface is the same as it was before the update.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 11:35 PM

The N3 has the same amount of memory as the N1 and N2 so thats unlikely.  More likely something to do with the chipset for graphics.  Old one was never able to do XM full screen either but N3 does full xm and ipod

Datwo] wrote:

illing to bet the reason that the ipod stuff doesnt work is due to the memory limit in the N1/N2.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 16, 2006 at 11:45 PM
I thought the memory was upped to 64 megs?




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 2:23 AM

Looks like there are already tools to edit as well as view the maps on your computer. Take a look...

https://www.datawest.co.jp/seihin-jyouhou/map/pdf/KIWI-Format-Viewer-Jap.pdf

The company that creates the maps is... https://www.incrementp.co.jp/english/business.html (A division on pioneer). They are the ones that created this as a standard.  They have an app out called "Mapfan" that just might read this format.





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 8:23 AM
the n1,n2,n3 all have 64 megs of ram.




Posted By: wastedtime2525
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 9:31 AM
im about to sell my n1 for 1000 and then just pay an extra 250 on ebay to upgrade to the n3, this software hack is never gonna work right and the n3 is just a little switch to make navi work while in motion, plus im sick of having to change displays to find out name of artist and name of song, its a distraction




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 3:23 PM




Posted By: mantis971
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 3:36 PM
I have a copy of the cndv-60m east and west and willing to share to help




Posted By: xstephenx
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 5:16 PM
You should just set up a torrent, I think just about everyone here would be willing to help seed to get the discs out there.




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 7:47 PM
Yeah, please set up a torrent for both the east and west discs.




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 17, 2006 at 8:24 PM
if someone sets up a torent login/pass and tells me what to do i will up the disk, its being rar'd right now

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Posted By: jasonschwenk
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 9:30 AM
will any of these mods you guys are doing help to display both title and artist for sirius sat. when the screen is open on a n2? rather than just 8 characters? that would be priceless




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 1:01 PM

Nope

jasonschwenk wrote:

will any of these mods you guys are doing help to display both title and artist for sirius sat. when the screen is open on a n2? rather than just 8 characters? that would be priceless





Posted By: guardys
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 2:04 PM
I have updated my N2 with the CNDV-60 software, lockout bypass still works, but no enhanced ipod. Is there any way to mod the avic n2 to gain the enhanced ipod functioning with the CNDV-60 software?




Posted By: enzo87m
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 10:44 PM
i just got the avic-n1 and someone told me that if i put the n2 discs in there then i wont be able to bypass it so i could watch movies while driving. Is that true? and if so would there be another way to bypass it? cause the only discs i could get a hand on are the n2 discs unless anyone knows where i could get the n1 discs. please PM me n lemme know
thanks guys.




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 18, 2006 at 10:57 PM
enzo87m, I can setup a torrent for the N1 disk. You need east or west?




Posted By: enzo87m
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 12:58 AM
i need the east please
thanks a lot




Posted By: enzo87m
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 1:00 AM
by the way, how large is the file?




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 6:15 AM
I'm glad it appears that someone is getting the CDNV-60MT software up. Please rip it as an ISO then RAR it, and it should compress down to ~2.35GB. If there is anyone on the forum that is downloading the CDNV-50MT torrents, please discontinue and use these instead.

For the East Coast CDNV-50MT RAR @ 2.35GB

For the West Coast CDNV-50MT @ 2.35GB

Seeding of the old torrents will discontinue in 48 hours. As for those wishing to seed the new CDNV-60MT files, they can be easily seeded at the same site as the other torrents that are listed. It is very simple to setup an account there. If you can't get the whole torrent thing setup, you can physically up them to me through AIM or some other P2P software and I can post the torrent and seed as I have the CDNV-50MT software. Just send me a PM!

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Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
RF 1 Farad Cap
Streetwires ZN Interconnects
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Posted By: enzo87m
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 6:45 AM
see, i cant use that disc. if i put it in my n1 it's going to upgrade it to an n2 n then i wont be able to bypass it.




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 12:38 PM
The N3 west disk will be on a torrent as soon as I have the full file. Special thanks goes to infinkc for this.posted_image Please do not beg him or me for the east disk. Hopefully we can do something with the new disk.




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 19, 2006 at 1:35 PM
Excellent! Thanks Datwo and infinkc!




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 21, 2006 at 12:12 PM
Any news on the torrent disc guys? Do you have the full file yet Datwo?




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 21, 2006 at 1:40 PM
Should be up by the end of the day




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 1:11 AM
Great, I will be hanging around for it! Thanks guys!




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 3:52 AM




Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 10:21 AM
Any chance of getting the 60MT USA East disc on a torrent?




Posted By: coaldat6
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 2:03 PM
Yes - any time frame regarding the East disk?




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 2:13 PM
Datwo] wrote:

he N3 west disk will be on a torrent as soon as I have the full file. Special thanks goes to infinkc for this.posted_image Please do not beg him or me for the east disk. Hopefully we can do something with the new disk.




Posted By: knightrider2000
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 6:08 PM
Any ideas on what changes have taken place over the MT50 Series??

Matt




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 6:58 PM

Yeah but those are only copies.  You should never pay for anything that is copied or bootlegged.  You should have waited and eventually someone would have it for you to try out for free. 



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Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 22, 2006 at 7:24 PM
Thanks for creating the torrent. Now its time for everyone to seed it. Hopefully we can crack the data from the Euro firmeware and apply it to the latest disc.




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 12:33 PM
For those that are downloading the 60MT west coast disc, how far along are you and what are your average download speeds?  I'm currently at 27.5% and have been downloading it for 21 hours.  My download speeds are between 0-50kB/s but it mostly stays between 0-5kB/s.  I do go long periods of time where I'm stuck at 0.  What about you? 

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 1:33 PM
The copies work great. The system upgraded immediately then rebooted itself. The colors, maps and icons are much better than the 50MT software. The issue with the video lockout looks like it might be tied to the speed pulse. As soon as it hits 2, the park brake switches to off. Does anyone know if disconnecting the speed signal after it's in 3D hyrbrid mode reverts it back to simple hybrid?

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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 1:39 PM
This is a really long thread, so could someone summarize if anyone has gotten the newer (50MT) software to work on the N1 without the lockout? I read through most of it, but I got kinda lost.




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 1:39 PM
Sorry my thread should read 60MT as that is the newest version.




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 2:16 PM

There is still no solution on getting the 60MT to work on the N1 without affecting the bypass.  They are currently comparing all versions to see what has changed since the last version that still allowed the bypass (40MT v1.2).  They are also looking at the European version which has no such restrictions and trying to get that firmware to work with the USA maps.  These guys are making great progress and I'm sure we'll have a solution soon.  I just hope someone finds a bypass for the Z1 when it is released in a few days.  Can't wait!



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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 2:35 PM
Sorry about the speed guys. My connection only has a 100K upload. Lots of people are connected and I am maxed out. As soon as there are more seeds the speed should be faster. Please, everyone who gets this file at least seed a 1:1 ratio. With the last torrent everyone who got the file disconnected as soon as it was finished.




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 3:00 PM
I've got a 256kB/s upload and I will seed the file until there appears to be no more downloaders or until a modded version is made.

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Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 3:53 PM
I'll also continue to seed as long as i can; about 25KB/s.  Anyone willing to put the 60 east usa disc up yet?  posted_image




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 4:26 PM
I'm also seeding it at about 38k per second. I'm still waiting on someone to let me know if we can run this on the N1 and if we install it will it disable the DVD in motion.




Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 4:32 PM
braddman

It was just mentioned that if will NOT allow for video while in montion. It still converts the firmware to the same thing it was with the AVIC-N2 software. They just said that they are going to try and hack the Euro firmware, which doesn't check for the bypass, and see if they can load it with the US maps. Read back the last 10 posts.




Posted By: john555
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 4:34 PM
Can You give me details on how to bypass the Avic n2 please

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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 4:37 PM

mrailing wrote:

braddman

It was just mentioned that if will NOT allow for video while in montion. It still converts the firmware to the same thing it was with the AVIC-N2 software. They just said that they are going to try and hack the Euro firmware, which doesn't check for the bypass, and see if they can load it with the US maps. Read back the last 10 posts.

Gotcha, thanks man. That's what I thought was going on. I wonder what happens if my speed sensor isn't connected. When I go to the status screen it says I have no speed pulse at all.





Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 5:23 PM
john555 wrote:

Can You give me details on how to bypass the Avic n2 please


Just takes a little looking...

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=61037&PN=3




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 5:24 PM

braddman,

your speed pulse is only there to take over the duties of the GPS antenna when you don't have a signal.  Of course it's also there to send the pulse to the speedometer on the N1.  As far as we know it has nothing to do with the video lock-out.  That job is left to the GPS gyroscope.

john555,

AVIC-N2 lockout bypass:  Underneath the MAIN unit (not the hideaway) is a small silver sticker, peel this back.  There are two contacts with the label "R197".  Drop a bit of solder between these to connect them. Also, you must ground the Parking Brake wire.  This will let you watch DVDs and use Nav functions while in motion.  It will void your warranty if you purchased it from an authorized dealer but if you didn't , you don't have Pioneer's warranty so I guess it really won't matter.  Be careful soldering the pins.  Some people have damaged their units by melting the wax around the pins and having solder roll off and shorting other pins together.  Unless you are experience at soldering, you should probably take your N2 to a computer repair shop and have them do it for you.  Good luck!



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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 5:39 PM
Cali_pilot wrote:

braddman,

your speed pulse is only there to take over the duties of the GPS antenna when you don't have a signal.  Of course it's also there to send the pulse to the speedometer on the N1.  As far as we know it has nothing to do with the video lock-out.  That job is left to the GPS gyroscope.


That is weird, my speed pulse says 0 when i'm moving but the speedo in the N1 still works.





Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 5:40 PM
Cali_pilot wrote:

braddman,

your speed pulse is only there to take over the duties of the GPS antenna when you don't have a signal.  Of course it's also there to send the pulse to the speedometer on the N1.  As far as we know it has nothing to do with the video lock-out.  That job is left to the GPS gyroscope.


That is weird, my speed pulse says 0 when i'm moving but the speedo in the N1 still works.





Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 5:57 PM
Can I just copy all the files to the computer, modify them, and then burn them to a Dual Layer? For some reason my 40MT I can't strip it as an iso for the life of me, but I can copy it to the hard drive.




Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 7:16 PM
Does anyone know if there is any problems with upgrading the n2 with the 60 software, but using the 50 discs for your maps?




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 7:23 PM

justiz wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any problems with upgrading the n2 with the 60 software, but using the 50 discs for your maps?

I tried this tonight on my N1 after work (after I upgraded to the 60 software). It told me it was an invalid disc, and to install the appropriate disc. Plus, that would totally negate the reason for upgrading. The 60 maps are so much better it's not even funny.



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Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 7:33 PM
Yea, I want the 60 maps and software, however I need the 60 east disc...  Maybe I can convince someone at the local stereo shop to let me borrow a copy of the 60 east disc for about 15 minutes.  posted_image




Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 9:20 PM
If you are able to get a hold of the east a torrent would be nice for the rest of us. In another 6-7 hours I should have the west done and can help seed it for a while. Luckily I am on both the east and west disk, but it would be nice to get the east disk before long.

Let us know how it goes obtaining the east disk...




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 9:23 PM

Have you guys figured out whether or not the service manual procedures are the same for the N2 as they are for the N1.  I will be installing the N3 software sometime this weekend but if for some reason the installation messes up or my discs will not work properly, I would like to be able to install my N2 software again.  I'm just curious because when I had my N1 I burned the N2 software onto a Memorex DL DVD+R and I was able to install it but I was not able to map any routes.  At the time I didn't know about the service menu so I ended up having to purchase the N2 software.  I sold the N1, now I have the N2 and I would like to install the N3 software but I want to make sure the steps are the same for the service menu.  Anyone know? 



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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 23, 2006 at 10:09 PM
Cali_pilot wrote:

Have you guys figured out whether or not the service manual procedures are the same for the N2 as they are for the N1.  I will be installing the N3 software sometime this weekend but if for some reason the installation messes up or my discs will not work properly, I would like to be able to install my N2 software again.  I'm just curious because when I had my N1 I burned the N2 software onto a Memorex DL DVD+R and I was able to install it but I was not able to map any routes.  At the time I didn't know about the service menu so I ended up having to purchase the N2 software.  I sold the N1, now I have the N2 and I would like to install the N3 software but I want to make sure the steps are the same for the service menu.  Anyone know? 


Should be the same across all unit from N1 to N3 even the D1 style units because its handled in firmware.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 1:57 AM
Question for those who have burnt DVD+R DL disks.... Are you having any trouble with the unit reading them? I just burned a verbatim disk and it reads it ok one time and then gives me the incorrect disk error next time. If I do a POI search it goes right back to the map. Any ideas? Burn slower? Its was burned at 4X. At $5 a disk this is gonna get expensive quick.




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 2:55 AM

Once you put the 60 software in, it upgrades the firmware so your 50 disks will not work anymore.  Just stick with the 60 software, mapping is much better and doesn't have any effect on the lockout

justiz wrote:

Does anyone know if there is any problems with upgrading the n2 with the 60 software, but using the 50 discs for your maps?





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 10:23 AM
make sure the book type is set to dvd-rom and not dvd rdl




Posted By: twinmax
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 10:49 AM
can someone uploaded it to alt.binaries.test it would be so much easier for people to download.




Posted By: xstephenx
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 2:24 PM
Can anyone seed the west disk?  It shows that there are only 2 leechers and no seeders.  It would be really awesome if someone could seed it for the 2 that are leeching and myself




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 2:27 PM
i have an extra backup (60west) if anyone wants it, $10 shipped priority on a verbatim dl,or $5 regular class, i made an extra since i thought my first one was bad

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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 2:49 PM
Well people are downloading from me, I'm not sure how to properly seed it though.




Posted By: xstephenx
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 4:31 PM

brad, did you get them from the piratebay.org?  If so, did you keep your downloader (bittorrent) open after you finished?  Because if not then you wouldn't be seeding...I'm assuming that you downloaded it from piratebay.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 4:44 PM
Man it sure is upsetting to see that nobody is currently seeding this.... posted_image I wont be seeding this much longer if this keeps up.




Posted By: xstephenx
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 4:49 PM
if someone would seed this I would be willing to keep mine seeded for a few weeks, it's not as though my internet sees any more than just casual use




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 4:50 PM
Mines been open for a day and a half. People were leeching from me but now it's at 99.93 percent and it says no one is downloading from me...wtf.




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 4:54 PM
Well guys I'll leave mine open till further notice but I'm stuck at 99.93 percent and it says status pending. I need the rest so I can seed.




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 5:22 PM
braddman, is your IP 24.179.206.xx ? Cuz if so, you are unconnectable from me... try restarting.




Posted By: Cali_pilot
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 5:38 PM
I'm currently at 80% so I'll be seeding it soon.  According to my current download speeds I'll be done in less than 5 hours.  I'm getting most of my speeds (about 30 kB/s) from 71.34.75.XX.  Thanks, whoever you are!  I'll seed it as long as people need it and I've got a 256 kB/s upload so it should speed up quite a bit.

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 6:16 PM

Cali_pilot wrote:

I'm currently at 80% so I'll be seeding it soon.  According to my current download speeds I'll be done in less than 5 hours.  I'm getting most of my speeds (about 30 kB/s) from 71.34.75.XX.  Thanks, whoever you are!  I'll seed it as long as people need it and I've got a 256 kB/s upload so it should speed up quite a bit.

posted_image





Posted By: sush1a
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 6:28 PM
i don't know if i'm seeding or not, but you just leave it on after it's done right? it's done for over a day now.




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 6:53 PM
Well, my download was hosed. It would never resume, and no one was leeching from me, so I had to start completely over. This blows.




Posted By: ron_s
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 7:39 PM

I completed my download and burning DVD now.  I checked "seed indef." but it shows "share ratio 101%" and seems to be no activity.  What can I do?  I have plenty of upload bandwidth with my cable modem.  I just do not know what I'm doing, since I'm new with Torrent......



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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 7:43 PM

A share ratio of 101% means you have uploaded to others roughly the same amount that you downloaded from the peer(s). Ideally, everyone should seed any torrent to at least a ratio of 200%, or a 2:1 ratio. I just finished my d/l (yes, even though I bought the discs) and am at an 85% ratio, which means I need to seed for a while more. Looking at the swarm, I am seeding to 5 out of 6 leechers.



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Posted By: ron_s
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 8:12 PM
My question is...  how do I make it reseed?  It seems to have stopped at 101% and there is no more activity.  It has remained at 101% for at least an hour and I have "seed indefinately" checked.  I will reseed as long as anyone still need it, if I can figure out how.  I have maximum bandwidth that Cox Cable has to offer and willing to use.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 8:16 PM

The biggest thing you need to do is make sure you are connectable. That means that if you're behind a router, you need to go into your router settings and make sure the port that your bittorent client uses is "open", or set to forward requests to your PC. Check this link for more help: https://portforward.com/

Once you have your router set correctly, you should be able to seed without any problems.



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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 24, 2006 at 9:35 PM

For those of you with the 60 disc, and have the picture manager program, is there an actual screen on the DVD for when the video lockout occurs? I heard someone mentioning delete that screen, or make it transparent. Does it exist?





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: March 25, 2006 at 1:13 AM
The lockout screen is not a photo or image, but more like a popup dialog box that superimposes itself over the screen.  It cannot be made transparent.  The code needs to be modified to remove it.

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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 25, 2006 at 8:51 AM

Ballerinstaller wrote:

The lockout screen is not a photo or image, but more like a popup dialog box that superimposes itself over the screen.  It cannot be made transparent.  The code needs to be modified to remove it.

When this happens, does the audio stay active from the DVD?





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: March 25, 2006 at 1:12 PM

Yes

braddman wrote:

Ballerinstaller wrote:

The lockout screen is not a photo or image, but more like a popup dialog box that superimposes itself over the screen.  It cannot be made transparent.  The code needs to be modified to remove it.

When this happens, does the audio stay active from the DVD?






Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 25, 2006 at 1:36 PM

Man I don't get it, I get to 99.92 percent on the download and it stops everytime. This is killing me. I can't finish it! Can somsone transfer directly to me with AIM or Yahoo?





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 25, 2006 at 6:03 PM

Today I did a little experimenting. I pulled the speed sensor lead and drove the car. The lockout was disabled for about a mile (and my position did not update). Then the brain must've looked for a gyro signal, as all of a sudden my position was correct on the map, and the lockout was enabled. That leads me to think that it uses both speed and gyro to know if the vehicle is in motion (you can also use a toggle switch on the park brake lead to "trick" the unit for about 2 seconds at a time).

Just out of curiousity, if a DVD can be played with the monitor is closed, what about figuring out how to trick the brain into thinking the monitor is closed when it's actually not?



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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 25, 2006 at 7:21 PM
explor202 wrote:

Today I did a little experimenting. I pulled the speed sensor lead and drove the car. The lockout was disabled for about a mile (and my position did not update). Then the brain must've looked for a gyro signal, as all of a sudden my position was correct on the map, and the lockout was enabled. That leads me to think that it uses both speed and gyro to know if the vehicle is in motion (you can also use a toggle switch on the park brake lead to "trick" the unit for about 2 seconds at a time).

Just out of curiousity, if a DVD can be played with the monitor is closed, what about figuring out how to trick the brain into thinking the monitor is closed when it's actually not?


The DVD will play with the monitor open or closed, it just superimposes the message over the video, so I don't think that will help.





Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 2:39 PM
OK I have the West disk now, I am seeding it but it doesn't look like anyone's downloading it from me. Any progress on this?




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 5:04 PM

Alright well I tried to burn it twice now. Once as an ISO and once by just burning the data onto the DVD and both times it failed. The first one wouldn't read in the car and the second one just kept saying please wait as it was burning it, even after the time ran out.

God I hate computers. I'm ready to throw this DVD burner off the cliff.





Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 5:20 PM
OK third try it worked, I burned the 60MT and it read in my AVIC-N1, I just hope to god the AV Input isn't disabled on movement because I have a carputer hooked to the AV input, I didn't try it yet.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 7:56 PM
Has a torrent been made of the East disc yet? If not, I'll be uploading it to alt.binaries.test after the Sopranos...

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Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: March 26, 2006 at 11:44 PM
No torrent for the east disk...




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 4:37 AM
What is the URL for alt.binaries.test?

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 6:16 AM

I don't know if I'll be able to post it or not. PowerPost gives me a runtime error I need to figure out, and WinRar tells me over 8 hours to compress, plus it's hogging all my CPU. I'll try to figure something else out.

As far as a URL, there is no such thing when it comes to a newsgroup. You need a newsprovider and a newsreader.



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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 3:43 PM

OK, the East disc is going up to alt.binaries.test.  

Look for CNDV60MT East as the subject. I split it into 102 parts. Use MasterSplitter to join them back together, or use the included .bat file. The post should be complete in about 17 hours (sorry, I have a crappy u/l speed!).

For those not familiar with Usenet, most ISP's provide some type of Newsgroup access. You will need Newsgroup access and a decent newsreader, like FreeAgent from Forte Agent. Please note this u/l is in the yEnc format, and while most newsreaders will decode it properly, some (like Outlook and Outlook Express) will not be able to.



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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 4:35 PM
Well, back to the drawing board. PowerPost tells me my post was rejected because the file size is too large. I will have to run it through MasterSplitter again and post smaller pieces.

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Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 7:46 PM
What the hell is up with this newsgroup thingy? I've never heard of it before! And I'm no retard! I needa get studying....

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 27, 2006 at 9:15 PM

Okay, I'm splitting the East disc into 500 pieces, each one 13,570 kb in size. Once it's done, I'll try posting it again.

Oh, and Usenet was around way before Al Gore even thought about creating the Internet!



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Posted By: twinmax
Date Posted: March 28, 2006 at 7:19 AM
I think it wont let you post that many... because of spam settings, You should be able to make them into 50mb rar files which should come out to around 90 or so rar files...




Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: March 28, 2006 at 12:59 PM
Does anyone have any reccomendations on how to burn this disc using OSX? I have the program Toast Titaniuim and I think I have a general idea how to do it, but I would rather get it right the first time. Thanks




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 29, 2006 at 5:30 AM
My post did not work again. I used Agent this time, and started it Monday night. It was still going the next morning, but I had a connection reset error message when I got home from work, and nothing got uploaded. WinRar takes way too long and takes 90% of my CPU, so compressing it's not an option. I'll have to try and figure out something else.

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Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: March 29, 2006 at 11:18 AM
The best way to do it is to RAR it up when you go to sleep. The next morning it'll be done for sure. Then either create it on Torrent or you can up it directly to me and I'll create it on Torrent and host the file. The thing is, nobody is going to let you store a few gigs worth of data for free unless someone here has some webspace to loan. I personally have a domain but it only has 80GB of transfer per month.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 29, 2006 at 5:41 PM

I thought about letting it run overnight, but WinRar reports it will take 8 hours to compress. When I first tried compressing it with WinRar, my PC temp was about at 140 degrees Farenheit in about 10 minutes. 8 hours of that is not something I want. If I lower the priority it might not hog as much CPU, but then it will take even longer to compress.



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Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: March 29, 2006 at 6:10 PM
took my older p4 1.2 about 3 hours to do.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 29, 2006 at 7:04 PM
scarface78 wrote:

free_refil wrote:

The best way to do it is to RAR it up when you go to sleep. The next morning it'll be done for sure. Then either create it on Torrent or you can up it directly to me and I'll create it on Torrent and host the file. The thing is, nobody is going to let you store a few gigs worth of data for free unless someone here has some webspace to loan. I personally have a domain but it only has 80GB of transfer per month.

So much TROUBLE when you can get it only for $25 for two discs SHIPPED:

P>

I'm not going to start a flame war with you Scarface, but I did buy two discs off of ebay, and I'm here trying to share them with others instead of trying to get them to buy them. That is the least I can do given all the help I've gotten from others on this forum posted_image

I have a 2.4 GHz box I'm working on, so I will transfer WinRar and the file to it and let that one do all the work. We'll see how it goes.



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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 1:56 AM

OK I HAVE to post my nightmare about upgrading the N1 to the N3 software (60MT).

First, it took me 3 tries to get the DVD to burn after downloading the ISO for 3 days. I finally got the software upgraded, and little did I know, not only does it disable the DVD in motion (yes, I knew that) but it also disables the Audio/Video inputs!! WTF!!! I have a carputer connected to those! I was HOSED.

Also, the Navigation didn't work. I could see where I was on the maps, but the choices for ADDRESS SEARCH and anything related to that weren't even available. The buttons were there but they weren't highlighted.

Long story short, I had to force flash back to 40MT 1.2 .





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 5:42 AM

All of those features are disabled while you're driving, but they come back as soon as you stop. You can also trick it momentarily while driving by cycling the toggle switch. That works for about 2 seconds each time.

Here's what I want to know: I get the nag screen that the system has detected an improper parking brake connection as soon as I start my car, before I'm even moving. How does it know? I'm wondering if it's looking for more than a simple ground on the park brake lead, and will do some experimenting this weekend.



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Posted By: twinmax
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 7:33 AM
Go to the link below create the NZB and use your favorite newsgroup reader to download the file...
If you dont know what a newsreader is just google it.

NZB for CNDV-60M

Here is one place that shows you how to use a newgroupreader.
https://www.slyck.com/xnews.php




Posted By: twinmax
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 7:35 AM
P.S. That is CNDV-60M WEST




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 11:48 AM




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 12:07 PM
explor202 wrote:

All of those features are disabled while you're driving, but they come back as soon as you stop. You can also trick it momentarily while driving by cycling the toggle switch. That works for about 2 seconds each time.

Here's what I want to know: I get the nag screen that the system has detected an improper parking brake connection as soon as I start my car, before I'm even moving. How does it know? I'm wondering if it's looking for more than a simple ground on the park brake lead, and will do some experimenting this weekend.


Having those features disabled while driving is simply a joke. I paid 1800.00 for this thing and I can't even use it to display my carputer whern I'm in motion, someone should freaking file a lawsuit against Pinoeer. It's YOUR box, you should be able to do with it as you see fit.

Regardless, Navigation didn't work with on my N1 with the 60west disc at all. Didn't even have the option to search for an address.





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 6:35 PM

I was able to compress the East disc using WinRAR, into 103 pieces. I did a succesfull test post this morning to alt.binaries.test of one piece. I plan on doing a full post later tonightposted_image



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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 7:45 PM

scarface78 wrote:

You probably BURNED DIsc wrong ... usually PRoblem is inside IDX FOLDER ... if this file inside that folder ARSSR200.IDX its corupted or burned wrong your DISC won't work right ... see that's what I'm talking about ALL this trouble to download and DISC doesn't even work right ...

I burned the ISO, there is no way it wasn't right, it's the same one everyone else is using, plus who cares about new maps and stuff when you can't use the DVD or A/V input when driving. That's simply retarded.





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 7:51 PM
I think the whole idea behind this forum is to determine how to "crack" the software provided by Pioneer, not sell what you've got...

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: March 30, 2006 at 9:04 PM
The East disc is on it's way to alt.binaries.test

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 01, 2006 at 3:38 PM

The East disc finished posting yesterday afternoon to alt.binaries.test

The only thing I screwed up was using Forte Agent to post it. It ended up splitting my post into 10505 sections. However, once all the headers are loaded in Agent, it's easy to sort them by title, then highlight all of my post. Assuming all the sections are in the correct order, all you do is right click and select "Join Sections". This will automatically merge all 10505 pieces together into one large piece for downloading.



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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 01, 2006 at 3:39 PM

Farther back in the forum, someone was going to take apart their N1 to see if the board had the same solder points as the N2. Did that ever happen? If not, I'm feeling adventerous!



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Posted By: slab42
Date Posted: April 01, 2006 at 5:00 PM

wow!  I just got done reading all 36 pages of this thread, and I have to say that I like where this is going!  (Even tho it has gotten sidetracked a few times!)  I have an N1, and I was interested in getting upgraded software, but I won't because of the lock out.  Has anyone successfully determined the difference between the code on the N1/2/3 and the X1 (the lockout portion) ?  I am not sure if someone has already mentioned it (I just read waaaay to much to take in at once!) but wouldn't it make sense to change a few lines of text,  to bypass the lockout

for instance, if a line of code resembled this:

if moving=true{

                      show.lockout  //not the exact code, but you get the idea

}

why can't it be edited to always be false? i.e. :

if moving=false{

                         if moving=true{

                         show.lockout

                         }

}

or why can't that line be deleted all together?

instead of replacing files with others, why can't the file be edited?

another idea is to see why the N1 only checks for a grouned parking brake, and incorporate that into the 50/60 software.

anyone play around with this?

maybe I am talkin out my ass, it happens sometimes!  but I do have some computer knowledge, I was a software engineer major for a while until I realized that it was waaaay to stressful to do for the rest of my life.  I only did coding for 2 years or so, and I wanted to blow up every computer I saw!  That was like 4 years ago tho...Now I just check my email, and use forums like this! cuz coding for hours makes homer something something...  go crazy? don't mind if I do!

?  Also, I might be upgrading to the N3 sometime soon, but I wanna keep my warranty, and the little sticker you can peel on the N3 now says "void" so i would like to bypass it with software so i can just revert back to the old software if I need warranty work.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 01, 2006 at 6:09 PM

OK, just a bit of an update here...

The firmware of the europe version is not the answer to this problem. It was loaded on a N1 and still had the video locked out. Now the problem on my end is trying to figure out how to disassemble the firmware since it appears that it is not encrypted nor compressed. I have tried IDA Pro but no luck. Hex editing the firmware was also tried but the files are protected by an embedded crc check.  Wrecklesswun has purchased a N2 to trace out against his N1 so we can see where the resistor mod is on the N1 board. Should just be an address pin pulled high/low. I feel the N1 should be almost identical to the X1 in hardware however there might be an eeprom or different address settings that set the lockout. What we need is someone who has done some embedded programming.  High res photos of any avic-N (any version) would be great as well.





Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: April 01, 2006 at 6:52 PM
I believe there is a guy on ebay that does avic repairs. Maybe he is on this board? Maybe someone like him who knowns how to disassemble the unit can take some high res pictures? Anyone want to contact him?




Posted By: sush1a
Date Posted: April 02, 2006 at 1:23 AM
i wouldn't think he'll be helpful... if he is willing to help. then his ebay business will be dropping... :P




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 02, 2006 at 8:47 AM
I just thought of something. The N1 can't have the same solder points as the N2. If it did, you wouldn't be able to just ground the park brake lead to bypass the lock-out. If I remember reading correctly in this forum, on the N2 you have to jump the two solder points AND ground the park brake lead, right?

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Posted By: knightrider2000
Date Posted: April 02, 2006 at 12:25 PM
Explor202,
i am d-loading the east disc now, but it says its missing parts 4002, on   
did they all get posted up Successfully??

Thanx

Matt




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 02, 2006 at 5:13 PM

I use Giganews and it shows all parts are there. PM your email if you need it.



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Posted By: fearx24
Date Posted: April 02, 2006 at 7:05 PM
I have had mine apart. It only takes about 5 mins to take completly apart super easy actually. There arent pins like the N2 has but we need pics of the N2 board so we can trace where they lead to so we can do the same thing on the N1 but in reverse.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 8:36 AM
if you have both boards, trace out r or f 197 and see where it goes. i will have both today, so maybe i will have an answer today. 




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 6:23 PM
I don't think that comparing the boards is going to help, but you never know. I gave a copy of the 60MT disc to one of (if not the) best developers we have at work today, and he will see what he can do.

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Posted By: thefranchise
Date Posted: April 03, 2006 at 10:50 PM
any possible way we can get a 60MT EAST torrent?




Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 12:38 PM

explor202 wrote:

I don't think that comparing the boards is going to help, but you never know. I gave a copy of the 60MT disc to one of (if not the) best developers we have at work today, and he will see what he can do.

Excellent. If I could only figure out why I couldn't search for addresses when I had 60MT on my N1. It was like it wasn't available.





Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 5:53 PM

scarface78 wrote:

I already posted this ... this happends when file inside the FOLDER IDX. File(ARSSR200.idx) its corupt.

So you're saying it just got burned wrong or the ISO was corrupt?





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 6:40 PM
I don't necessarily agree that the file gets corrupted, but rather it might have something to do with simply trying to copy the disc directly to the HDD. The best thing I've found is to insert the DVD into the drive, the tell UltraISO to create an image of the disc. I've yet to have one fail using that method. There may be something buried on the DVD that prevents copying of that file.

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Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 6:46 PM

explor202 wrote:

I don't necessarily agree that the file gets corrupted, but rather it might have something to do with simply trying to copy the disc directly to the HDD. The best thing I've found is to insert the DVD into the drive, the tell UltraISO to create an image of the disc. I've yet to have one fail using that method. There may be something buried on the DVD that prevents copying of that file.

I used the ISO from the torrent and burned that.





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 6:47 PM
I posted PAR files this morning to alt.binaries.test for anyone that needs them.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 6:49 PM
braddman wrote:

scarface78 wrote:

I already posted this ... this happends when file inside the FOLDER IDX. File(ARSSR200.idx) its corupt.

So you're saying it just got burned wrong or the ISO was corrupt?


When using UltraISO, your best bet is to tell it to save the image in the mds/mdf format and NOT a regular iso. Then use DVDDecryptor to burn the disc. Decryptor has the best record for accurately burning both layers of the DL disc. You can also use an image emulator like Daemon Tools to launch the image after it's created to verify everything is there before you burn it.



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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 04, 2006 at 7:55 PM

Just to let everyone know, I found a free file hosting website that I'll be uploading the CNDV60MT disc to. The only catch to the website is that I have to upload one file at a time (and you'll have to download them one at a time). Once I've got the full disc uploaded, I will let everyone know what the URL is so you can all get it. No torrents, no Usenet.



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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 1:06 AM

scarface78 wrote:

Sorry man I am not a SANTA  ... I was only one who was WILLING to spend $50 and now everyone wants it ... you guys like Piranias ... CHEAP  **Ses noone want to dish out $50 they just waiting for someone to buy it and put it for free. PLUS it wouldn't be FAR to this DUDE who sold me COPIES ... he was the one who spend 1000+ on NEW AVIC-N3 with Software ... he could've say ... GO ahead if you don't like $50 go get it for $275 from Pioneer or buy New Avic-n3

scarface78 wrote:

i already made and sold aprox. 30 Sets


scarface78 wrote:

Man like i said ... i don't need DISCS with any Edited FILES ... or Extra things ... all i want is have my Upgrade the way it came out without any Fixes ... so you don't have to worry about me DOWNLOADING it ... if i want it i will BUY it ... believe me i have money for it.

Wow how you change your tune... Sounds like your being "unfair" to the this "other guy" that you bought this copy from.... Hmmm 30 copies at $50 each ($1500) ... wow... and you call me cheap! Now I see why you have all this $ as you have stated... its a little clearer now. Keep selling your copies and maybe one day pioneer will buy one from you. Hopefully by then you will have enough for bail. We can always hope for the best.





Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 8:57 AM

quote from scarface78:

No in my case that File was CORRUPTED ... i just replaced the file and Burned Discs as DATA DVD using ROXIO and works perfect ... i already made and sold aprox. 30 Sets (West & East) and never had problem with costumer telling me it doesn't work

This is false.  Unless you purposely edited and saved the file, reading the file is simple 0's and 1's, and will never deviate. The AVIC N1 cannot read Data DVDs, it can only read book type DVD-Rom.  So in fairness when giving advise, please be accurate... Go here for explanation:

https://wiki.cdfreaks.com/index.php/Book_Type





Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: April 05, 2006 at 2:52 PM
Yay!!!!

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Posted By: goldiey2
Date Posted: April 06, 2006 at 12:56 AM
Was wondering if someone can point me in the right direction of either getting the CNDV-40 v1.2 cd images from a site or if someonhe had the disks for sale. I've been looking on Ebay and can'r seem to find any at this time. Just let me know so I can get this dvd to play,,lol.. thanks

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Posted By: sexyvic1
Date Posted: April 06, 2006 at 4:51 PM

hello,

does anyone know how to bypass the N3 yet ?

i am sorry if somebody already asked but there are 40 pages to read through, i figured t would be easier o just ask posted_image

thanks guys.





Posted By: slab42
Date Posted: April 06, 2006 at 7:51 PM

[img]https://home.no.net/eovti/Roadsign.jpg[/img]

lets stay on topic! lol





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: April 06, 2006 at 9:01 PM
Much like the N2 bypass only no soldering this time.  Should be fairly self explainatory once you get the sticker off




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 10, 2006 at 6:22 PM

Good news and bad news.

The bad news: I've got 15 of the 103 WinRAR pieces posted to the public website so far. However, I've decided to hold off with the rest until I figure out what, if any, legal ramifacations I would face by posting the copyrighted software. The other bad news is that the programmer I gave the CNDV60MT software was not able to help much.

The good news is that he determined that it appears to be programmed in NEC (whatever that is!). Any ideas? I've got another programmer I'll be giving the disc to this weekend (he works for Motorola) so maybe he can figure it out.



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Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 10, 2006 at 9:18 PM
explor202 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

The bad news: I've got 15 of the 103 WinRAR pieces posted to the public website so far. However, I've decided to hold off with the rest until I figure out what, if any, legal ramifacations I would face by posting the copyrighted software. The other bad news is that the programmer I gave the CNDV60MT software was not able to help much.

The good news is that he determined that it appears to be programmed in NEC (whatever that is!). Any ideas? I've got another programmer I'll be giving the disc to this weekend (he works for Motorola) so maybe he can figure it out.




i would have someone else up the rest of the files, or some of them to a different site, that way people will have to download the parts from different sites. If you put it all on one site then you can get busted buy distributing the full copy out, if its spread out then its the downloaders responsibility, since they took the action to create the file. single files are just useless data which they cannot go after you for.

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Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 11, 2006 at 1:42 PM

explor202,

I thin knew that already...the problem is finding a disassembler for it...Idapro doesn't support the processor used for this application...although the instruction set is similar, it is not the same...I've seen this before, for instance the Motorola 6805 and SG Thompson chips are almost the same but not...Unless you can get a disassembler for it, we'd have to do it by hand, which could take a year.





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 11, 2006 at 6:30 PM

Hopefully we'll find out soon enough. I emailed my contact the info on what I was looking for today. He let on enough in his email that he knew how the lockout feature worked originally and why Pioneer released the update. I think if this was a dead end, he would not have asked for me to give the disc to his wife to bring home tonight. Let's all keep our fingers crossed!



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Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: April 12, 2006 at 5:58 PM
I purchased v60 East Coast DVD from eBay and will have it up on RAR Torrent for all those who want it by the end of the week. We all know the West Coast DVD is out on Torrent and I am seeding it at ~200k along with the v50 DVD's. Will probably keep them all up.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 12, 2006 at 7:15 PM
Just to update everyone, my source at Motorola seems to think he can make a "faux" 40MT disc but have it contain everything necessary from the 60MT disc. He now has both discs from me and will start working on it hopefully tomorrow. He noticed that it does not check crc or file size, only that the files exist.

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 12, 2006 at 8:33 PM

explor202 wrote:

Just to update everyone, my source at Motorola seems to think he can make a "faux" 40MT disc but have it contain everything necessary from the 60MT disc. He now has both discs from me and will start working on it hopefully tomorrow. He noticed that it does not check crc or file size, only that the files exist.

The firmware is CRC checked. The crc is embeded in the firmware image itself.





Posted By: rutcgr18
Date Posted: April 12, 2006 at 10:37 PM

So i jsut finsihed reading 40 pages adn i am looking for the east coast  ver60 dvd let me me if there is a torrant

thanks

mike





Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: April 13, 2006 at 9:53 AM
If you read 40 pages, then you missed the post just three above yours, the 1st post on page 40 with the exact information you want...




Posted By: rutcgr18
Date Posted: April 13, 2006 at 2:40 PM

I under stand but i have not been able to find the torrent for it doese anyone have the link

Thanks
MIKE





Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 13, 2006 at 4:20 PM
the post says "I purchased v60 East Coast DVD from eBay and will have it up on RAR Torrent for all those who want it by the end of the week. " im sure he will post the link as soon as he gets it up, be patient, that thing takes like 8 hours to rar up to begin with.

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Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 8:38 AM
explor202, we know for fact that the firmware crc values are checked., so then a valid equivalent to the same value has to be derived.  For example, 5+5 = 10, but so is 3+7...as long as the result is 10, the application doesn't care.  The other problem is that there are specific pointers /indexes for the map data inside the app...If this not being the case, then moving the mapdata from the 60 mt disc to the 40mt disc would work...but it doesn't.  I suspected a while back that the switch for this was in the firmware, but now i suspect it to be in the rom... I will leave it at that until i research more.




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 2:41 PM
The main reason the firmware file(s) are crc checked is so if the file is somehow corrupt it would not allow you to flash update. This is basically so it makes it harder to kill a unit. Saves them in unit repairs. This is a common practice in firmware files.  The problem is finding where the crc info is stored within the file as well as computing a new correct crc value for the modified firmware. I am sure this can be done however I don't have the time nor the skill to do it at this level. We need some expert crackers on this one.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 6:52 PM
Well, since I can't post the link, I'll try it this way. Has anyone seen an item for sale on a very popular auction website, where the guy is selling two relays, some harness and a toggle swtich? The guy is claiming that his setup will override the video lockout feature regardless of the model and software. I've never heard of such a thing and was wondering if it's just a scam to get your $30.00. Any ideas?

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 14, 2006 at 9:17 PM
I have a theory about the two relay setup. It's something that I thought about a couple of weeks ago. With the CNDV60MT software installed, you can trick the unit momentarily by cycling a toggle switch that's inline with the park brake lead. If you could cycle the ground on and off at the correct rate, couldn't you effectively bypass the lockout?

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 4:51 AM
Wow, you know what, I never thought of that. It just might work. Takes a few seconds to figure out its in motion so I wonder if it will fool it. A simple 555 timer circuit will test that theory. I might give it a go in a few days.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 8:15 AM

Datwo] wrote:

ow, you know what, I never thought of that. It just might work. Takes a few seconds to figure out its in motion so I wonder if it will fool it. A simple 555 timer circuit will test that theory. I might give it a go in a few days.

What do you have in mind?



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Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 9:39 AM
hmm wonder if we should just get a group of 5 people to pay $6 each and buy that thing off that guy and just unleash his info :)

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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 11:34 AM
I read about a system in another forum and I believe its the same thing.  You won't like it.  It cuts out your gps antenna and speed sense.  Yeah, you get video in motion, but no navigation = sucky sucky.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 12:12 PM
I don't know about that. I can't see incorporating two relays and a toggle switch if you're going to do that. Maybe just two toggle switches (one for GPS, one for speed pulse). Unless the relays would be to cycle the GPS and speed pulse signals on and off instead of the ground.

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Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 12:48 PM
the relays are just to ground the parking and cut off signal to the speed pulse, the nav function will not work properly when the speed cut is not active, but the dvd will play fine. i guess you only have one or the other anyway, but not the case on the z1.

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Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 1:45 PM

Pioneer nav systems don't require you to hook up the speed pulse at all so you wouldn't even need a relay for that.  Will be less accurate for the first few miles while it calibrates and then it will work perfectly.  I assume the relays are for parking brake and interupting the GPS antenna signal momentarily

infinkc wrote:

the relays are just to ground the parking and cut off signal to the speed pulse, the nav function will not work properly when the speed cut is not active, but the dvd will play fine. i guess you only have one or the other anyway, but not the case on the z1.





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 2:21 PM

OK, here is what I will be trying. You know how if you press the parking brake while in motion it waits about 3 seconds and disables the video/nav? Well what I am thinking is building a pulse with modulator that will pull the parking brake to ground and release it at a adjustable rate. Maybe I can fool it into thinking that the brake was release and reapplied and then released again before the screen reactivates. Like I say... it will be couple of days before I can test this. I ordered the parts today for the circuit.





Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 2:49 PM
Great idea Datwo. Please keep us all up to speed on your progress. Also, if there is anything the rest of us can do, please let us known.




Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 15, 2006 at 6:54 PM
Datwo] wrote:

P>OK, here is what I will be trying. You know how if you press the parking brake while in motion it waits about 3 seconds and disables the video/nav? Well what I am thinking is building a pulse with modulator that will pull the parking brake to ground and release it at a adjustable rate. Maybe I can fool it into thinking that the brake was release and reapplied and then released again before the screen reactivates. Like I say... it will be couple of days before I can test this. I ordered the parts today for the circuit.


Thanks for putting my idea to the test Datwo. I have no clue right now how to put something together to make this work. What exactly did you come up with?



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Posted By: iracekx
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 8:10 AM
Has anybody seen with the N2 if up grading the software to the N3 software does it give the better Ipod features just curious.

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Posted By: thefranchise
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 9:58 AM
Anyway someone with original 60MTs could provide a good disc cover scan?




Posted By: sly_
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 11:03 AM

Does the N3 use the existing wiring I have in place for my N2 or are there new wires?

I'm thinking of getting the new N3 since I want the enhanced XM display and memo features.

Thanks





Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 11:22 AM
pioneer_west.jpg
pioneer_east.jpg

Disc cover scans.

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Posted By: knightrider2000
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 12:59 PM
Any luck getting the east torrent up yet??

Matt




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 2:18 PM

Thats a hardware change, not software.  Gotta buy an N3 if you want the sweet ipod and xm display

iracekx wrote:

Has anybody seen with the N2 if up grading the software to the N3 software does it give the better Ipod features just curious.





Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: April 16, 2006 at 8:13 PM
Sorry for the delay with the v60 East Coast DVD guys. I've had a bit of difficulty with Alcohol 120% and I haven't had the time to get it fixed. I got the software up and running Saturday but the wife had the car and also the DVD. I am dumping the disk right now and will RAR it when complete. If it is finished by the time I am going to bed than it'll be up tonight. If not, it will be up first thing in the morning and I will post a link. This torrent will have a copy of the cover of the CD as well as a NFO with links to torrent's of the old software and the West Coast DVD. I have continued to seed the old software and the West Coast DVD.

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Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 1:50 PM

Am i the only one who used a Radio shack science fair from the 80's...? Kidding.  Datwo, just curious as to whether or not you will use the actually brake circuit, or create your own.  I would also think it may screw with the ABS and or Stability assistance or Traction controls systems.  I could be wrong though.( If you actually use the cars braking system)





Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 2:12 PM
wrecklesswun, I am making my own. Its easy because the timer 555 IC can run on +5 - +15 volts. only a few components are required to make a variable oscillating circuit. Then tie the output to the gate of a transistor and you got a way to pull the parking brake lead to ground with a solid state switch instead of a relay. Then you can play with the rate of speed and duration of the pules with variable capacitor and a variable resistor. Very simple circuit.  Hell your rat shack science fair kit probably had a 555 timer IC. Google search for "555 timer circuit" and you will find many. What you wanna build is an oscillator. A very low frequency one.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 7:46 PM
the goal is to send pulses above 2-3 mph...as the video lockout occurs @ exactly 5 mph.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 8:00 PM
Ya the upload is mine. I dunno why you can't connect, probably because I was paused for a minute there. Just let it run, and make sure your torrent client is setup properly with your router, etc.

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 8:27 PM

wrecklesswun wrote:

the goal is to send pulses above 2-3 mph...as the video lockout occurs @ exactly 5 mph.

Actually it doesnt matter. You would do it when ever the radio is on. For the people that don't wanna wait for me on this you could try it yourself with a simple toggle switch. Just have a passenger flipping it while you drive. Try to flip it at the correct rate so that the brake is off just before the nag screen comes up and back on just before the nag screen comes up. I still don't know if this will even work but its worth a try.





Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 8:39 PM

free_refil wrote:

Ya the upload is mine. I dunno why you can't connect, probably because I was paused for a minute there. Just let it run, and make sure your torrent client is setup properly with your router, etc.

It's been running for around 12 hours now. I'm only finished 10%. I'm using BitComet with a Linksys 4-Port Wired Router.

Any tips on how I can make it go faster?

Thanks.





Posted By: coaldat6
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 10:31 PM

I used to use bitcomet but then i switched to uTorrent and it seems to be much faster. However, the problem is that the unfinished files are incompatible so if you install utorrent, you'll have to restart the download from scratch.

More importantly though, are you using Upnp Port fowarding? If its enabled in your router and on BitComet it should speed things up considerably (assuming the seeders are providing enough upload bandwidth)...





Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 17, 2006 at 11:34 PM
[QUOTE=coaldat6]

I used to use bitcomet but then i switched to uTorrent and it seems to be much faster. However, the problem is that the unfinished files are incompatible so if you install utorrent, you'll have to restart the download from scratch.

More importantly though, are you using Upnp Port fowarding? If its enabled in your router and on BitComet it should speed things up considerably (assuming the seeders are providing enough upload bandwidth)...

/QUOTE]

Port Forwarding is enabled but I don't know what port numbers to enter into the ranges for BitComet. I'm now sitting at a whooping 15% completion. lol





Posted By: coaldat6
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 12:51 AM

BitComet should enter the number automatically... generally it will be the listening port that you see in one of the bitComet menus

Your biggest problem is probably that there are very few seeders. This cannot be helped. There are only a few people interested in this torrent.





Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 6:00 AM
Hey guy's, it's goin' to be a slow upload for a while. I can only spare around 150-175K and I'm upping to 4 people. Hopefully you guys will continue to seed after it's complete! I am still seeding the 50MT disks as well as the West Coast DVD of the 60MT. However, I have limited those to 25K each for the moment so that the East Coast DVD will have the most bandwidth. I will stop the West Coast 60MT as there are 3 other seeders I am connected to at the moment, that should give you guys a little more bandwidth. Please be patient I am only one man with 1 cable line!

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Posted By: sush1a
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 9:56 AM
wow, that was fast... finished the east disc in less than 12 hrs.. and leaving it on...




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 10:36 AM

free_refil wrote:

Hey guy's, it's goin' to be a slow upload for a while. I can only spare around 150-175K and I'm upping to 4 people. Hopefully you guys will continue to seed after it's complete! I am still seeding the 50MT disks as well as the West Coast DVD of the 60MT. However, I have limited those to 25K each for the moment so that the East Coast DVD will have the most bandwidth. I will stop the West Coast 60MT as there are 3 other seeders I am connected to at the moment, that should give you guys a little more bandwidth. Please be patient I am only one man with 1 cable line!

Thanks man. I really appreciate it. My speed has increased a significant amount. I should be done the download in another day or so.

BTW, after I'm finished the downloads, how do I go about updating my AVIC-N2 with the N3 software? Do I ned the East and West Discs to do so? Because my West Disc will finish in an hour or so, just wondering if I can update it with the West Disc while the East is downloading. I don't use the West Disc at this time, only the East one.

Thanks.





Posted By: coaldat6
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 5:15 PM

When you pop in the 60MT DVD it automatically updates. It only takes like 3 or 4 minutes so you may as well wait until you download the East Disc.

(I'm not sure if using the West would be a problem... but i don't think it will be able to use the 40 or 50 series disc afterwards so don't install it until you know you have a working East 60MT disc.)





Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 5:38 PM
coaldat6 wrote:

When you pop in the 60MT DVD it automatically updates. It only takes like 3 or 4 minutes so you may as well wait until you download the East Disc.

(I'm not sure if using the West would be a problem... but i don't think it will be able to use the 40 or 50 series disc afterwards so don't install it until you know you have a working East 60MT disc.)


Thanks for the tips. The only way I know that my copy is working is when I pop it into the unit and see if it reads, right?





Posted By: coaldat6
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 5:54 PM

well after you burn it, just make sure the competer can open the DVD and you can see the files present.

But yea... you just have to pop it in and see... (deep breath, crossed fingers and all)





Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 6:36 PM
10 hours and 31 minutes to download the whole thing.

I will leave it open until I return on Thursday (which should give me around a 2.0 ratio) and I have opened all my bandwidth for it to help people...

Thanks for the download...




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 6:56 PM

I have yet to mod my N2 so all the features are unlocked while I drive, would it make a difference if I modded it after I did the update? Or is it recommended that i mod it before the update?

Thanks.





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 10:12 PM
makes no diffy man if you mod it now or later, just keep in mind that all motion locked items will be in full effect with the update and no mod...

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Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 18, 2006 at 11:22 PM

Ballerinstaller wrote:

makes no diffy man if you mod it now or later, just keep in mind that all motion locked items will be in full effect with the update and no mod...

sorry, I didn't understand the last part. Were you just saying that whatever is locked before the update will still be locked after the update? And then unlocked when I perform the mod?





Posted By: dstang24
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 1:35 AM
b18c5er wrote:

Ballerinstaller wrote:

makes no diffy man if you mod it now or later, just keep in mind that all motion locked items will be in full effect with the update and no mod...

sorry, I didn't understand the last part. Were you just saying that whatever is locked before the update will still be locked after the update? And then unlocked when I perform the mod?


I think that's what he's saying



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Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 9:13 AM

OK, i did the update using the east disc and now my navi won't work. The Address Search, POI Search, Telephone Search and a few other options are disabled. I put the new v6 disc into the drive, the update ran successfully and the interface changed and everything after the system restarted.

I can only plot courses to my recently plotted addresses and I can use the Return Home feature.

I'm kind of scared now. Can anyone help me?

BTW, I updated my AVIC-N2.

Thanks.





Posted By: cboldman
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 12:08 PM
Are you trying to do the above while you are moving? I see you have an Avic-n2, so you should be familiar with the lockout so my guess is probably wrong. The functions that you can not do require the vehicle to be stopped and not moving.




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 12:18 PM
b18c5er wrote:

OK, i did the update using the east disc and now my navi won't work. The Address Search, POI Search, Telephone Search and a few other options are disabled. I put the new v6 disc into the drive, the update ran successfully and the interface changed and everything after the system restarted.

I can only plot courses to my recently plotted addresses and I can use the Return Home feature.

I'm kind of scared now. Can anyone help me?

BTW, I updated my AVIC-N2.

Thanks.




is it a copy of v60? are you putting th eold disks back in?

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Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 12:54 PM
I am trying it at a standstill. No moving. Won't even work if the engine is off. I am using the v60 East disc, no old discs were tried since I did the update.




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 2:06 PM

I forgot to add, taht yes, it is a copy of the v60, I downloaded the torrent from this thread that free_refil posted.

It burned fine onto a Dual Layer DVD disc and opened up properly in the computer. The deck recognized the newer disc and updated itself accordingly with no problems.

I am really worried because this thing is so expensive. Any and all help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.





Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 3:43 PM
Just to be sure... is the parking brake on? :)

Also, there are instructions earlier in this thread about re-flashing to an older version, so you should be able to get your 50 discs to work properly again, and even re-try the 60 discs.

Has anyone else tried the 60 east disc from the torrent?




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 4:02 PM

justiz wrote:

Just to be sure... is the parking brake on? :)

Also, there are instructions earlier in this thread about re-flashing to an older version, so you should be able to get your 50 discs to work properly again, and even re-try the 60 discs.

Has anyone else tried the 60 east disc from the torrent?

I was reading that thread earlier today. It was for an N1. You think it will work the same for the N2?





Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 6:05 PM
I don't see why you would have a problem with the download. The only thing that was done was the DVD was put into my computer, and I loaded Alcohol 120% and made an image. I then took that image and RAR'ed it up and then posted the torrent. I would also like to hear back from someone who got the successfully running from the torrent. If it is in fact corrupted or something, then I'll remove it at once. I wouldn't want my work to have caused someones stereo to no longer work. I was only trying to do a favor. However, it does seem strange that the update worked correctly and that only those features are locked out. It sounds like an issue with the parking brake, etc. Flash back to the v50 DVD and see if it clears your issue. If it does not than I suspect a wiring problem.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 6:24 PM
b18c5er wrote:

justiz wrote:

Just to be sure... is the parking brake on? :)

Also, there are instructions earlier in this thread about re-flashing to an older version, so you should be able to get your 50 discs to work properly again, and even re-try the 60 discs.

Has anyone else tried the 60 east disc from the torrent?

I was reading that thread earlier today. It was for an N1. You think it will work the same for the N2?


I believe that you posted earlier that you have NOT done the mod yet to your N2. The N2 must be modded (remove head unit, peel up the silver sticker and solder the two points together, then connect the park brake lead to a ground). Once you have performed the mod, you will be able to watch videos, and perform all of the nav functions whether you're driving or not. Your only other option is to revert back to the previous software version by flashing the BIOS.



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Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 7:22 PM

free_refil, i appreciate that you had the upload going and took the time to supply it to us. I am in no way blaming this on your work. My nav and everything was working fine the night before i did the update. I will have to wait until I get my car back from my body guy cuz it's getting some paint touchups done. That should be this weekend.

explor202, are you saying that the only way this update will work properly is if I mod my N2? MY ebrake wire is currently hookup up to a switch and the switch is fully functional because if I go into the connection status screen on my N2, it shows the e-brake as on/off depending on when i toggle the switch. I have never had a problem before upgrading, so I cannot blame any wiring.

I'll have to wait until I get my car back to try again, but i'm really curious to if I must perform the bypass mod in order to get everything fully functional again.

Thanks.





Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 8:22 PM
b18c5er wrote:

free_refil, i appreciate that you had the upload going and took the time to supply it to us. I am in no way blaming this on your work. My nav and everything was working fine the night before i did the update. I will have to wait until I get my car back from my body guy cuz it's getting some paint touchups done. That should be this weekend.

explor202, are you saying that the only way this update will work properly is if I mod my N2? MY ebrake wire is currently hookup up to a switch and the switch is fully functional because if I go into the connection status screen on my N2, it shows the e-brake as on/off depending on when i toggle the switch. I have never had a problem before upgrading, so I cannot blame any wiring.

I'll have to wait until I get my car back to try again, but i'm really curious to if I must perform the bypass mod in order to get everything fully functional again.

If you went from the CNDV40MT software to either the CNDV50MT or CNDV60MT software, you have no choice but to perform the mod I mentioned above (and as posted throughout this forum). At least you're lucky. I have an N1 that does not have any kind of hardware mod to perform, so hopefully we'll either get the 555 timer thing to work, or come up with a software mod.

Thanks.




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Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 19, 2006 at 9:02 PM

I went from the CNDV50MT software to the CND60MT. You just gave me a sign of relief with that information. I hadn't the slightest clue that you had to mod the unit in order to use the updated software.

Thanks for that sign of relief. I'll post my results when I finally mod the unit.





Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 7:18 AM
Well, I have successfully upgraded my avic-n2 to 60 east with free_refil\'s torrent listed earlier in this thread. I turned the car on, pulled the parking brake, ejected the disc that was in there, and inserted my copy of the 60 east disc. After about 5 minutes and two restarts by the avic, everything was done. It works beautifully. My avic is NOT modded. I can route new locations from POI search, see some new roads, route old locations, and everything else that I could do with no problems at all. Obviously I can’t do much while driving, but I expected that, since my avic is NOT modded. The software is MUCH quicker and MUCH more responsive than 50mt v1.1. It is actually hard to keep up with it now, since moving between menu’s and searching for locations runs much quicker. So, in case anyone is wondering, the 60 east disc from the torrent works fine, and you unit does not need to be modded to use it. Thank you free_refil.




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 9:00 AM

so then wtf happened to mine. Damnit, i'm worried again. I love the new software, you are right, it is a lot faster and because of the new colour schemes, I can see it better while in the drivers seat.

How can I reset my unit to the point where I have to pick my region? I remember when I took my car back to Best Buy to get a ground loop fixed, my navi asked me to pick a region number that was displayed on a map on the screen. I had to pick number 12 I think for Ontario. When that screen was up, I was also limited to the same options I have now, so i'm thinking maybe I can do that same region selection again and hopefully that will work.

So anyone knowhow to reset the navigation fully?





Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 9:24 AM
You Burned the discs WRONG. Usually when this happends there is a Problem while Burning IDX Folder inside the disc. Try Burning them Using ROXIO ... Make a DATA DVD. It works great fo me.




Posted By: justiz
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 9:43 AM
Yes, b18c5er, what did you use to burn it? I just used the free trial of alcohol 120%.

From what you described it sounds like your parking brake isn\'t on...




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 9:43 AM

I burned it using that Alcohol 120 software. I downloaded that software just for this purpose. I have the .mds and .mdf files. I don' know how I could burn those using Roxio.

I opened Alcohol, clicked the Image Burning Wizard, Selected the image file and burned it. I didn't think it was more complicated than that.

What do you think?





Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 9:46 AM
My parking brake is ON. I have the e-brake wire hookup up to a switch. If I turn the switch off, even more options get disabled, just like when the car is in moion. The deck detects the e-brake as being on in the connection status screen. I have never had a problem when using the 50MT software.




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 10:13 AM
i just checked, my IDX folder is 3.62GB on the v60 East disc.




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 10:21 AM
I'm telling you the only thing is WRONG its the DISC. IT BURNED WRONG. Just try to REBURN it and try it again. Believe me I know. I had same Problem with couple of them.




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 10:23 AM
Also try NAMING DISC East CPJ1175-1-A and DISC West CPJ1175-2-A when you burn them




Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 10:35 AM

My east disc is labelled CPJ1175_1_A. I will uninstall my cracked copy of Alcohol and download the free trial and try that.





Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 11:30 AM
This post is for moddding/hacking the disks not about burning them and pirating them. posted_image

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Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 1:25 PM
Yeah and what you guys doing PUTTING these COPYWRITED DISCS on TORRENT ... you call that what? SOCIAL SERVICES
No i think this is PIRATING as well




Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 2:07 PM
Now that everyone has the disks and that problem is solved... can we move on to modding this unit? Really this shouldn't be about pirating any longer. Ig ot the parts in today so hopefully I will have some free time between work, kids and the wife to do this. 




Posted By: jasonhilton
Date Posted: April 20, 2006 at 5:01 PM
A lot of the modding/hacking progress is on www.avic411.com

We cracked the pim format, can upload custom backgrounds and are currently working on the XM Logo Table.




Posted By: xxloganxx
Date Posted: April 22, 2006 at 10:47 AM

Guys...

Just read every page of this thread... most of you are damn near geniuses. My first question is what happened to the rars posted on newsreaders? Only 1 out of 103 made it and only one set of Par2's? Retention is only about 20 days? Can someone repost them for the CND-V60MT East? Secondly, if I am following correctly... no one has successfully installed the V60 on a N1 and is still able to watch/nav in motion yet right? Has anyone even been able to successfully update to the V60 and still have a perfect working unit while NOT in motion? I have an N1 and all I want to do is have the upgraded software and still watch movies and nav while in motion... I am still waiting on a resolve if I'm not mistaken!?!



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Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: April 22, 2006 at 11:06 AM

Go to POI search.  Press the button on the bottom that looks like north america.  Thats how you select your region on a real disk at least

b18c5er wrote:

so then wtf happened to mine. Damnit, i'm worried again. I love the new software, you are right, it is a lot faster and because of the new colour schemes, I can see it better while in the drivers seat.

How can I reset my unit to the point where I have to pick my region? I remember when I took my car back to Best Buy to get a ground loop fixed, my navi asked me to pick a region number that was displayed on a map on the screen. I had to pick number 12 I think for Ontario. When that screen was up, I was also limited to the same options I have now, so i'm thinking maybe I can do that same region selection again and hopefully that will work.

So anyone knowhow to reset the navigation fully?






Posted By: b18c5er
Date Posted: April 22, 2006 at 5:41 PM

SUCCESS!!! It was a bad disc that I burned. I had torrented a cracked version of alcohol 120% and burned the first disc. So I uninstalled that version and then downloaded a demo version straight from the manufacturer's website. Burned it again and VOIALA! All of the normal features returned. Thank you guys for all of your help.

As for the statement that said you have to mod your N2 to have the v60 discs work, that is false as my unit still isn't modded. I will probably try to mod it tomorrow.

The unit is a lot faster, routes are calculated faster and the new graphics make it easier to see the screen from further angles.

Thanks again to all.





Posted By: rutcgr18
Date Posted: April 23, 2006 at 2:34 PM

Just thought i would let you all now i have installed the 60 software and the units runs like a charm on my n2.  Like the new look





Posted By: xxloganxx
Date Posted: April 24, 2006 at 7:50 PM
From what I understand... isn't it "supposed" to work!! I mean that's what they are upgraded discs.. however the issue here is to have them work on all units and have the video bypass. Doesn't seem like there's much progress though.....ergh!

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: April 25, 2006 at 7:18 PM
I have decided to try and sell my N1 so I can upgrade to the D1. It's a 2 month old Pioneer refurb unit and $700 takes it. I have the original box/packaging, and will include the 40, 50 and 60 software. PM's only if you're interested.

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Posted By: duramaxkiller
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 12:26 AM
SO in short of reading 47 pages ...can u upgrade n2 mapping into an N1 without being motion blocked ?




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 5:48 AM
Yes you can but only up to version CNDV-50 V1.1 once you upgrade to version 1.2 or CNDV-60MP you will get Blocked out




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 12:43 PM

Thats not correct.  You cannot go to the CNDV50 or CNDV60 without the lockout affecting your N1

wojtekg wrote:

Yes you can but only up to version CNDV-50 V1.1 once you upgrade to version 1.2 or CNDV-60MP you will get Blocked out





Posted By: sab0276
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 1:23 PM
Does these hacks work with the N3? How hard is it to od the bypass?

-Scott


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Pioneer AVIC N3




Posted By: infinkc
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 2:17 PM
sab0276 wrote:

Does these hacks work with the N3? How hard is it to od the bypass?

-Scott



guess you havent read the 47 pages of the thread, everyone wants to upgrade to an n3, so theres not much for you to do on the n3, you can modify the screens and startup images. bypass talking will lock this topic, pm me for info.

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Posted By: rutcgr18
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 2:41 PM

Well the only thing i have notice is my maps seem to be a bit behind when it i drive anyone have this issue





Posted By: sab0276
Date Posted: April 27, 2006 at 2:46 PM

I did read through it (2 days worth :)).  I just thought most people were trying to update the older ones to the new software.  

But I just wanted to make sure you can customize the N3 the same way you can customize the older ones with modified discs. 

Please PM the about the bypass.  Thanks.

-Scott



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Pioneer AVIC N3




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 28, 2006 at 1:50 PM
whtcrxghst wrote:

Thats not correct.  You cannot go to the CNDV50 or CNDV60 without the lockout affecting your N1

wojtekg wrote:

Yes you can but only up to version CNDV-50 V1.1 once you upgrade to version 1.2 or CNDV-60MP you will get Blocked out


DIDN'T I say that. If you read good you would notice that. I SAID You can UPGRADE  AVIC-N1 to CNDV-50 & CNDV-60 but you will get BLOCKED Again





Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 28, 2006 at 1:54 PM
I noticed that making COPY of CNDV-60MP on VERBATIM DVD-R DL instead of VERBATIM DVD+R DL makes Avic-N2 (in my case) LOAD Software/Maps/Menus a lot faster. It seems that Avic Reads DVD-R DL faster then DVD+R DL.




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: April 28, 2006 at 8:29 PM

The problability of a successful burn on any dvd depends on the medium as well as the speed at which you burn.  In general verbatim dvd+rdl are ok i have an 80% success rate burning dvd's.  also the software you use makes a difference.  i used nero 7.082 and it burns 99% of the time.  when i use sonic recordnow, it almost never works for dl dvd's.  Just my observations.





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: April 29, 2006 at 2:10 AM

I have two very high resolution scans of the N1 mainboard.  They are approx. 26Mb each and I have smaller version that are about 2Mb each.  Anyone wanna host them for lQQking for the alternate resistor that does the magic switch?  After inspecting the board, I see many spots of interest.  Maybe we can scour these for a while and then we all choose a different spot to mod with a pull up or pull down resistor to see what makes this baby tick and screw those jerks that want to capatalize on this.  The only way I'd make money is from the lighthearted ones that don't know a soldering iron from a screw driver and would rather have a seasoned tech do the job right the first time and not mess a thing up, eh?

My flex finally gave up the ghost and while I was waiting for it in the mail I thought I'd do a thorough cleaning of the N1 in preperation for the new flex.  Lets fuel this fire and find that resistor!  (its probably not labelled R197)

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PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: April 29, 2006 at 2:24 AM
AVIC411.com has a big enough image upload size to support the higher res scans and here is a link to the topic or you can cut and paste this :  https://www.avic411.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=140

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Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 29, 2006 at 9:36 PM
wrecklesswun wrote:

The problability of a successful burn on any dvd depends on the medium as well as the speed at which you burn.  In general verbatim dvd+rdl are ok i have an 80% success rate burning dvd's.  also the software you use makes a difference.  i used nero 7.082 and it burns 99% of the time.  when i use sonic recordnow, it almost never works for dl dvd's.  Just my observations.


I use ROXIO Version 8.0   I burn them as DATA DISC at speed 8X   (I Just highlight files of my Desktop) and from 20 Pack of DVD+r DL VERBATIM usually ony 2 are BAD.





Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: April 30, 2006 at 11:30 AM

I know I have CNDV-60MP (East & West) Version 1.0 ..... Did you guys here anything about CNDV-60MP Version 1.2 Coming or Being OUT ALREADY. I just came arcoss already two people that told me that Version 1.2 is out. But then again when I called PIONEER they said that they don't know nothing about CNDV-60MP version 1.2

What you guys think?





Posted By: 1iwilly
Date Posted: April 30, 2006 at 12:14 PM

hello to all nice site

i have a avh-p6500 head unit with a avic-90dvd i'm usind the cndv-50mt version 1.0 east coast

when i got to settings and view software it reads 0x05000100 fine

i downloaded the updated cndv-50mt v1.2  east coat but it also reads 0x05000100???? should it read 0x05000102?? thanks for your inputs





Posted By: Sopher
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 9:27 PM
I just loaded the cndv-60mp into the AVIC-N2.

I see the new colors, some newer graphics etc. BUT... is it me or do I NOT see ANY difference in the appearance of the maps. I saw others rave about the newer maps... but they look just like the 50MT v1.1 to me.

What gives?




Posted By: mtnrbiker
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 10:47 PM
Hey, I just got an Avic-d1 and was woundering if I get the newer dvd's CNDV-40MT, Will it mess with it at all or will it stop the video in motion? Please let me know.




Posted By: free_refil
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 10:57 PM
Not all areas have updates. My particular area had quite a few. I noticed that the military installations are now a different color, and a few major intersections which were renovated lately are updated as well...

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Alpine MRV-F450
Alpine SWR-1242D
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Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: May 02, 2006 at 11:02 PM

You sure you have a D1?  Or did you mean N1?  The CNDV-40MT are from an N1 in 2004, and will not work in a D1.

mtnrbiker wrote:

Hey, I just got an Avic-d1 and was woundering if I get the newer dvd's CNDV-40MT, Will it mess with it at all or will it stop the video in motion? Please let me know.





Posted By: sab0276
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 9:00 AM
Is Pioneer coming out with newer version than the cndv-60mp any time soon?

-Scott


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2002 GMC Yukon SLT non-Bose
Pioneer AVIC N3




Posted By: Sopher
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 9:36 AM
I see on the CNDV-60mp DVD disk all the PIM files for the XM logos. Over on Avic411.com (and probably here too) is the pim manager program to view and convert.

I undertstand that XM change some of their station's names slightly.

However, on my unit EVERY XM station only displays the defualt blue satellite logo (file is something like: LPSNOT.PIM)   What file do I need to modify to get it to read them properly?

This is for an AVIC-N2 unit.




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 10:36 AM
CNDV-60MP went on sale like only month ago ... I don't think they will be getting New Version out soon. That's what TWO Pioneer Reps told me.




Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 10:38 AM
Are you talking about EXCHANGED Xm and Ipod Menu look. This is not Software Related its Hardware you get that not by Updating with software it comes on New Avic-N3. It tells you on Pioneer Site Under CNDV-60MP. Updating with this software doesn't Exchange Xm and Ipod look on Avic-n1,n2,d1




Posted By: Sopher
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 11:17 AM

No. I read a few posts back (or maybe on another forum) that the 60mp disks have way better maps, and better graphics and color menus. 

I'm in Boston and the maps look about the same.  (although I have not looked deeply into the areas of the "Big Dig".)

The PIM icons of the Xm stations do not display at all.  What is the correct mapping need in the table file?





Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 11:36 AM
Well if they didn't build any New roads in your area then they will be the same.




Posted By: sab0276
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 11:40 AM

So does the N3 come with 60mp? 

-Scott



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Pioneer AVIC N3




Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 11:55 AM

yes

sab0276 wrote:

So does the N3 come with 60mp? 

-Scott






Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: May 03, 2006 at 11:58 AM

I believe you will only see the logos on units with the enhanced xm display(D1, D2, Z1, and N3) when used with the GEXP10XMT navtraffic tuner.

Sopher wrote:

I see on the CNDV-60mp DVD disk all the PIM files for the XM logos. Over on Avic411.com (and probably here too) is the pim manager program to view and convert.

I undertstand that XM change some of their station's names slightly.

However, on my unit EVERY XM station only displays the defualt blue satellite logo (file is something like: LPSNOT.PIM)   What file do I need to modify to get it to read them properly?

This is for an AVIC-N2 unit.





Posted By: goldiey2
Date Posted: May 04, 2006 at 10:14 PM
I was hoping someone could help me with a problem I'm having. I have a N1 and I reflashed it to the 40 disk so I could view the DVD/Nav while driving. After I did this I can no longer hear the radio or the Sirius coming off the IP bus input. I thought maybe it was the brain unit, but I just bought a N2 and used the N1 brain unit and everything works fine. So now I realize it had something to do with the flash. Hopefully this is an easy fix. By the way everything on the N1 seems to be working fine except the inputs coming off the brain( I haven't tried A rear Cam or anything, just the antenna and the IP bus input). Any suggestions and or solutions I may not be aware off? Thanks in advance.

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Posted By: Sopher
Date Posted: May 05, 2006 at 11:24 AM
Sorry... hit post too soon.

Anyone know if it is the hideway brain unit that has the new XM display and Ipod features on the new N3? Or it in the headunit?

Can the headunits of the N2 and N3 simply be swapped?




Posted By: wrecklesswun
Date Posted: May 06, 2006 at 12:16 AM
I have successfully swapped brains and headunits with N1 and N2...as for the flash, i believe there are 2 areas of flash that have to be downgraded...




Posted By: slab42
Date Posted: May 09, 2006 at 6:09 PM
good point... has anyone tried using the N3 brain (and the 60 software) with the N1 screen?  the lockout seems to be on the screen portion of the hardware. 




Posted By: rcattral
Date Posted: May 10, 2006 at 12:22 PM

Goldie, I have this same problem. I re-flashed my N1 to restore the video and my rear cam no longer works. I have not been able to find a solution yet but am still searching.

If anybody has any ideas then I would be happy to try them.

Rob





Posted By: mrailing
Date Posted: May 10, 2006 at 1:08 PM
The brain (hideaway units) boxes are literally the same between the N1, N2, and N3. The main differences are in the headunits themselves. That's where all the hardware and software problems are between video on the N1, iPod udates on the N1 and N2. It won't happen unless you get an N3 headunit, they you can do it all.


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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: May 10, 2006 at 1:53 PM
Hey, um, I had the same problem having no rear camera video after reflashing and I went into the setup menu and turned the feature back on. I have reflashed mine 14 times now and that worked for me. Perhaps you did not reflash ALL of the files. If you need more info how to flash, view all of the pages of this post and you will find the real guide of reflashing your N1 without the need of a remote and it should work flawlessly.

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Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: goldiey2
Date Posted: May 11, 2006 at 9:24 AM
Baller , which ones need to be reflashed, because I went through all these forums and thought I got them all.. I think I reflashed like 5 things, can't remember all off the top of my head, but three were the ones you posted in your tutorial.. Not sure but I know when I got the unit everything worked fine(think the 40 was loaded). I upgraded to the 50 and everything still worked fine(no Nav/DVD of course) so I reflashed back to 40 and than both stopped working.. that's when I went in again and started my troubleshooting with no luck.. but I was hoping to run into someone that would tell me specifically which file would cause that problem..I'll keep looking though, appreciate the input.

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Posted By: explor202
Date Posted: May 20, 2006 at 8:58 AM
Why so quiet here lately?

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Posted By: Ravendarat
Date Posted: May 21, 2006 at 12:54 AM
I cant believe this thing is up to 52 pages. This is just getting rediculous

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Posted By: Go4DKil
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 6:44 PM
What if some one found the screen that covers the dvd and replace it with a clear window with out the warning. If BGopen can be hacked, why not the warning?

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Posted By: Datwo
Date Posted: May 23, 2006 at 8:14 PM

Go4DKil wrote:

What if some one found the screen that covers the dvd and replace it with a clear window with out the warning. If BGopen can be hacked, why not the warning?

Doesn't work that way. The screen isn't a static photo. It is drawn via a window manager. The bios isn't editable because its CRC checked and nobody here has the knowledge to even crack that and that is the first step. I have basically given up messing with it because I have been way to busy and have come to dead end basically. We need somebody that is able to disassemble the firmware. I haven't been able to find a disassembler that works on this processor. IDA Pro doesnt work. Anyways... that's where its at. We need a expert cracker on this one. Someone who plays with firmware.





Posted By: Sopher
Date Posted: May 29, 2006 at 6:55 PM
Can someone please outline the steps needed to burn a new DL DVD of a anyone of the Map disks?

I vaugely recall UtraISO and Alchohol 120% being used. But not sure.





Posted By: hybridamp
Date Posted: June 13, 2006 at 1:51 PM

Anyone have a current, working version of their IMAGETBL.DAT file that they can post for the CNDV-60 data set? 

I have an AVIC-N3 with GEX-P10XMT.

I could swear the station logo/icons worked for about 10mins when I first powered up my new unit, but then as soon as I changed to one of the "new" XM Stations all of my icons/logos stopped displaying. It doesn't even display the default "Satellite" icon, it just has blank gray space on all of the XM stations in the location where the logo should be...?





Posted By: whtcrxghst
Date Posted: June 13, 2006 at 6:07 PM
Its posted on avic411.com




Posted By: rudbwoy69camaro
Date Posted: June 21, 2006 at 7:55 AM

whtcrxghst wrote:

Its posted on avic411.com

It should be the end now that whtcrxghst posted.  Great site !



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Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: July 15, 2006 at 12:54 AM
I um, had to replace my flex as it finally broke, so I had to take my beautiful N-1 apart to replace it. I diddled around with my picture scanner and made some scans of the mainboard and posted them on www.avic411.com and some person (from Pioneer??) aided us in overcoming the issues produced by the latest software updates for this particular AVIC-N1 model. Go over and check it out. I think that this forum should be just about dead now.

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Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: snappyg9
Date Posted: July 25, 2006 at 9:58 AM

Hi,

does anyone has an iso image of the CNDV-60MP upgrade disc?





Posted By: braddman
Date Posted: July 26, 2006 at 9:55 AM

I don't understand why this topic is still active. This was hacked a long time ago, and is readily available on EBAY, you send the guys your stuff and 70 bucks and they do it for you and send it back.





Posted By: wojtekg
Date Posted: August 03, 2006 at 9:46 PM

There is this guy on Ebay: https://cgi.ebay.com/dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5871470869&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

He can Upgrade your AVIC-N1, N2 if you running CNDV-60MP to have AVIC-N3's Ipod and XM Interface which is NORMALLY not available doing CNDV-60MP update. You have to send your Head Unit and Brain to him ... he is a 100% trusted.





Posted By: Ballerinstaller
Date Posted: August 04, 2006 at 1:33 AM
Nah- I'm good. I built my own to suit my system that even shows video. I had a couple of RCA's RD2780's lying around so I modded one with a remote and an auto pause that uses the head unit's remote on wire to trigger. So now I have a 60 gig hard drive based unit that plays not just music, but videos too! Now I just have to refine the remote a little better. The picture shows an original unit to the left, and then the thing in the middle is the unit with the lid open (it folds in upon itself and then gets tucked away either into the dash or under a seat) and the thing on the right is the ugly, ugly remote that many people associate with a missle launcher with its red and black buttons. Keep in mind that this is Revision 1. Rev 2 is going to have a wifi adapter that is activated by remote to initiate "drag and drop" file transfer ability through a wireless B network and a lighted button remote.posted_image

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Pioneer Avic-N1
Clarion 300 watt 4 channel amp
PPI PC21400 1400 watt amp
2x JL 12 inch w7's
Polk EX series in factory locations
2000 Impala LS
Baller Installer - Pete D.




Posted By: slab42
Date Posted: September 10, 2006 at 7:44 PM

why would I want to mail my $2000 unit to someone I don't know?  If this guy can do it, there must be someone here that knows how, and can explain to us how to do it.






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