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2007 nissan altima remote start

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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: 2007 nissan altima remote start

Posted By: advanced
Subject: 2007 nissan altima remote start
Date Posted: December 20, 2007 at 11:10 AM

I am going to attempt doing a remote start in a 2007 Nissan Altima w/Intelli-key. I've read all I could find here on The12Volt, but does anyone have exact, detailed info on doing this car. I will be installing an Audiovox Prestige APS-57 & trying to do it without a bypass module. Thank You in advance. 

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Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: December 20, 2007 at 12:46 PM
advanced wrote:

trying to do it without a bypass module.

You NEED a module, whether it is one that integrates to the entire vehicle or one that just bypasses the transponder you need a bypass for the transponder at the very least.

Here a couple of links provided by Bypasskit.com showing some of options they offer:
Option 1
Option 2

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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 20, 2007 at 2:18 PM
if u want the car to start, then bypass is needed. I would use the links that twelvolts showed for bypasskits, or u can go the idatlink route. both reliable.




Posted By: brhaugen
Date Posted: December 21, 2007 at 3:23 PM

I have been asked to quote one of these, I was looking at the xk07 route.

How well does this work and how long does it take.....

Thanks





Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 21, 2007 at 3:57 PM
the xko7 will do the transponder bypass. and the bypass can be done through the can bus system. As for quality, the bypasskits are solid units and very dependable. As for install time, the new 07 altima uses the push button, so wiring and hunting for your wires will be about 1 - 2 hours, depending on how efficiant you work. On a new car, i suggest you take your time with it.




Posted By: NowYaKnow
Date Posted: December 21, 2007 at 5:32 PM
I would highly advise taking a different route than just the XK07 and the diagram they provide. I really don't have a suggestion on what to use, but I would not use the XK07 and their diagram. Keep looking..




Posted By: advanced
Date Posted: December 21, 2007 at 6:28 PM

I am taking all suggestions. I'm reading everything I can about the car & the few bypasses available. Originally I was going to use one of the customers remotes, or have him get an extra & build my own transponder bypass. Now I'm feeling it might be easier to get a bypass such as the XK07, even though it will add to the cost.

I've done hundreds of remote starts, but this will be my first "Smart Key" installation.



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Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: December 21, 2007 at 8:50 PM

If you want something to do everything for the altima, Try the iDataLink systems or Fortin CAN-SL2. Fortin and iDataLink are sure real time savers with simple wire hookup and it controls factory alarm, locks, trunk/pin monitor etc.

Fortin CAN-SL2
https://ifar.ca/en/products/all_products/can-sl2/

iDataLink
https://www.idatalink.com/product/result_page.asp?mod=srchv&make=Nissan&model=Altima&year=2007&carid=4730

tell ur customer to spend now to save you and him time and cost.





Posted By: advanced
Date Posted: January 30, 2008 at 6:08 PM

Well, I finally did the car the other day, & it worked out fine. I used the XK07 module, even though the Fortin or Idatalink, looked easier to install. I simply had easy access to the XK07. I followed the wiring in the directions, & it took a long time(all day), but everything worked in the end. The next one I do will go much smoother.

The only issue I had was that the "key" light remains on, but only if you remote start the car & then take over with the factory transmitter in the car. I called BypassKit tech support & they explained that it is a "known" issue & they are working on a software upgrade. Customer is OK with it & so am I. Thanks everyone for all the suggestions.



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Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: January 30, 2008 at 6:10 PM
Yeah the fortin and Idata modules don't have this key light issue. You cut the wire and run it thru the module and it takes care of it.




Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: January 30, 2008 at 6:15 PM

tedmond wrote:

the xko7 will do the transponder bypass. and the bypass can be done through the can bus system. As for quality, the bypasskits are solid units and very dependable. As for install time, the new 07 altima uses the push button, so wiring and hunting for your wires will be about 1 - 2 hours, depending on how efficiant you work. On a new car, i suggest you take your time with it.

I don't know about anybody else....but I would REALLY like to watch a guy do this car in 1 ta 2 hours.posted_image



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Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: January 30, 2008 at 11:27 PM
my first one was 2 hour 15 minutes, second one was 1:45

I only use idatalink ads-al-ca, makes this car EASY to do.

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Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 31, 2008 at 6:51 AM
2 hours for hunting/probing wires. i wish i could get a car out of the bay that quick ahah




Posted By: advanced
Date Posted: January 31, 2008 at 4:59 PM
It's not the security light, on right side of dash, that stays on. That is bypassed with the XK07 module. It is the "key" light on left side of dash. I think it is probably detecting 2 transponders in the car & senses something wrong. It doesn't cause any problems, so it's not a serious issue. The reason is took me all day is because I took my time & was very careful & I soldered all my wires. I didn't rush. The next one will go smoother & quicker. Maybe I'll try the idatalink next time.

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Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: January 31, 2008 at 8:45 PM

extreme1 wrote:

my first one was 2 hour 15 minutes, second one was 1:45

I only use idatalink ads-al-ca, makes this car EASY to do.

Yeah same here. Kartuneman you are welcome to come on by and watch me. posted_image

Just make sure you bring a case of brew with ya. posted_image





Posted By: mannyd85
Date Posted: February 02, 2008 at 2:02 PM
I hated this car I had to run so many wires to the fuse box under the hood, it was retarded. It worked flawlessly the first time but took forever to do.




Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: February 02, 2008 at 2:48 PM
I ran zero wires to the underhood fusebox and wired a relay into 4 wires there.

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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 7:03 PM
I got a call today that our remote start fried a BCM. I did it the Idatalink way. The dealer's RS guy says he doesnt do it that way because of this possibility, and the diodes you put in there don't always protect the BCM. He does it the XK07 way, kind of. Anyone else have this issue? Looks Like I'm gonna have to do them the harder way..... posted_image




Posted By: extreme1
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 8:07 PM
unless something was wired wrong there's pretty much no chance that you could fry the BCM.

I've done 3 of these personally and know of dozens out there done with ADS-ALCA's with never a problem.

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Shaughn Murley
Install Manager, Dealer Services
Visions Electronics
Red Deer, Alberta




Posted By: johnmax
Date Posted: February 07, 2008 at 7:46 PM

Their guy said that the + ignition going into the bcm sent too much current and fried it. He said that the circuit inside the bcm is not meant to handle alot of current. Also that the diodes you put inline on those ignition wires don't always block the way they should- he uses relays on those wires. He also said he has seen a few done the Idatalink way and they fried the same thing. I've done a few and this is the only problem one so far.  Not a rookie here (16 years) so I am a little concerned.





Posted By: hurban30
Date Posted: March 20, 2008 at 7:55 AM

I installed the XK-07 unit and my altima starts up fine but i am running into a problem when I attempt to switch over to the ignition. Basically I have to hit the brake and turn off the remote starter and then restart the vehicle with the push button. I know the instructions specifically say you must hit the push button twice before pressing the brake but my ignition does not turn on. I contacted bypasskits and they basically told me the having to turn the car off and back on is a security feature and the instructions arent accurate. Has anyone installed the XK-07 and actually been able to remote start the car and then just hit the push button twice and then when you hit the brake the vehicle stays on?





Posted By: advanced
Date Posted: March 21, 2008 at 8:49 PM
Yes, as my post states, I recently installed an XK-07 in a 2007 Nissan Altima & it works just like the directions say it should. You remote start the car, then get in & hit the botton twice until the ignition sais "On". Then step on the brake & the car should stay running. Check all your wiring carefully. I can't imagine what's wrong. I can't believe they told you that @ Bypasskit Tech support. Let us know what you find.

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Posted By: hurban30
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I checked my wiring 3 times and actually took out all the wires and started from scratch and I am still having the same issue. The company I bought the XK-07 swapped the unit out for me also to eliminate that as the issue. I am at a complete loss. My unit has the most recent firmware in it I believe the version 3. Which firmware was on the unit for the install you did?




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 6:22 PM
Hey guys, I'm a little late to this post. My co-workers and I have been doing these cars for a while now, in various ways. We've done Altimas, G35s, G37s, and three 2009 Muranos.

Each vehicle has different component locations, and different wire colors, but they're all about the same.

There are four ways (that I know of) to do these cars.


1. XK07: Doesn't work correctly.

hurban30, sorry to hear you got stuck. The newest firmware is 3.01, and has the same flaw. The only current solution is to switch to another module.

Link: https://www.audiogroupforum.com/csforum/showthread.php?t=67092



2. Fortin CAN-SL-2 (www.ifar.ca) (The older version is the CAN-SL-2i):

The Fortin piece is now very reliable, with the exception that their tach output doesn't work.

Well, actually, it works once or twice just to fool you, so you can have the customer come back a day or two later with the starter grinding.

When we first started buying the CAN-SL-2i, about two of every three pieces were defective right out of the bag. We were taking three units along for every job! But they got that under control pretty quickly.

3. ADS (www.idatalink.ca) DLSL CA or DLSL CA2:

By far the most installer-friendly and customer-friendly, and also they have the best install manual. Their unit even automates the pushbutton takeover.

However, many of us are having problems on cars with these modules. It hasn't been resolved yet. We don't know if it's the module, or the installation, or the car.

Link: https://www.12voltdata.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=149&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&sid=9d47c50381c011eb66e93b0937b30c97

As you can see from the above link, ADS' tech support is very attentive and responsive. Once this issue is worked out, I'll be able to say that their module is the best.

4. Install using no module at all.

You could either buy a 3-volt power supply, or solder wires onto the battery from the remote. Configure a relay so that the remote only gets power when the remote starter is on.

Use the remote starter to power up the car's brake wire, then pulse the pushbutton wire on the dash, and the car will start up just fine.

But, there are downsides. The car could be stolen while running under remote start (maybe you could configure a relay to disable the shifter).

Probably the biggest downside is that a spare Intelligent Key, plus the dealership labor to program it, cost more money than any of the above modules.





Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 6:29 PM
Oh, one more thing, about the air conditioner on Altimas.

It doesn't matter which module you use, but look at Trilogix' install manual. There is one more accessory wire they want you to power up, in the underhood fuse box. I think it's yellow/red.

This is the wire that turns on the air conditioning compressor.

Fortin and ADS don't include this wire in their install manuals, and they don't think it's a good idea to hook it up. I agree.

Anyway:

--If you don't hook the wire up, the remote starter is only useful for wintertime. The AC compress won't run with remote start.

--If you do hook it up, you'll have AC, and the car will cool down.

However, this means the compressor will also run when it's below freezing and it shouldn't.

It'll run even after the car has had a minor accident and the condenser punctured.

It'll run even when the car's eventually all old and beat up, and all the refrigerant has leaked out.

In the last two situations, the compressor would most likely fail, sieze, and maybe throw the belt.

If it were my personal car, I'd probably hook it up, but on a toggle switch, and only leave it on in the summertime.




Posted By: dtk1
Date Posted: March 23, 2008 at 8:19 PM
thnx for the info Chris Luongo your the man. i am about to do an 07 altima any tips or tricks you can give me ?




Posted By: hurban30
Date Posted: March 24, 2008 at 5:49 AM
I appreciate the info and I wish I knew all of this ahead of time and that they didnt write instructions that didnt apply. I am still confused however how advanced managed to get this to work correctly. Did the earlier firmwares not have this issue?




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: March 24, 2008 at 8:14 AM
dtk1, thanks.

I don't have too many tips, other than to say that it's helpful to read all three manufacturers' installation manuals, regardless of which module you'll be using.

For example, you could use the idatalink method of connecting parking lights, but use the Fortin module if you want.

If you read all three manuals carefully, you should get some ideas of how you want to do it.

hurban30,

No, the XK07 has always done that on pushbutton Nissans, since day one. Infiniti M, G, Altima....they all do that.

Just like my post I lined to on the other forum says.......at first their tech support denied that it was happening, and then when I called back, they admitted to it, but didn't have any solution to get around it.

DEI (Directed Electronics) has bought out Trilogix. On DEI's (password protected) forum, another installer ran into the same problem. There was a Trilogix employee on the forum too.

On March 12, I provided a link and brought this problem to his attention. So far, he has not responded.

If you're looking for an immediate solution, swap out your XK07 for a CAN-SL-2. If you can find an old-stock CAN-SL-2i, that works fine as well.

As long as you mounted your bypass module separately from your remote starter, it should just be a matter of cutting out the XK07, and splicing in the wires for the new module.

They have different connectors and wire colors, but otherwise, they install in the same manner.




Posted By: dtk1
Date Posted: March 24, 2008 at 9:15 AM
thank you so much Chris Luongo am going to use an an xk07 but am gona attach the hood pin to door trigers to avoid the costumer from making any mistakes of shifting the car and causing an TPM light on the dash




Posted By: advanced
Date Posted: March 31, 2008 at 7:26 PM

Sorry, I was away on vacation last week & couldn't respond to the post.I used an XK07 with version 3.01 firmware. Maybe I got lucky. The unit works fine so far.Chris Lungo really knows his stuff & I trust his opinions. So I would take his advice.

And I strongly agree with Chris that it's helpful to read all three manufacturers' installation manuals, regardless of which module you'll be using. I made some small changes to XK07 instructions, such as where to tap into parking lights. You want to become as familiar as possible with the car. And always test wires & always use common sense.

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Posted By: dtk1
Date Posted: March 31, 2008 at 10:39 PM
advanced wrote:

Sorry, I was away on vacation last week & couldn't respond to the post.I used an XK07 with version 3.01 firmware. Maybe I got lucky. The unit works fine so far.Chris Lungo really knows his stuff & I trust his opinions. So I would take his advice.

And I strongly agree with Chris that it's helpful to read all three manufacturers' installation manuals, regardless of which module you'll be using. I made some small changes to XK07 instructions, such as where to tap into parking lights. You want to become as familiar as possible with the car. And always test wires & always use common sense.


i have a question when you do a key takeover you hit the start button twice and the press the brake ? do you give it a couple of seconds or you just drive off right away? the costumer really hates the fact that the car shuts off with the door but i rather be safe than sorry.




Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: April 01, 2008 at 7:24 AM
dtk1,

Typically, the user would:

1. Unlock the car, get in, sit down.

2. Press the pushbutton twice (not really fast).

On the first press, you can hear the steering wheel unlock.

On the second press, The tire-pressure light flashes four times, and if your seatbelt isn't yet fastened, the seatbelt beeper will come on.

3. Press brake, shift into gear, drive away.

However, as stated in my previous post, this procedure doesn't work with the XK07, and Trilogix is still in hiding.

On the www.directechs.com forum, on 3/12/2008, I brought this to the attention of Frederic Daoust from Trilogix. He hasn't responded.

Advanced, I know you said you had no problems. Did you full arm the factory alarm before trying the remote start?




Posted By: advanced
Date Posted: April 01, 2008 at 12:58 PM
Chris, I did not. I'll try to meet with the car soon & I will fully arm the factory alarm, before I try the remote start. I will let you know what happens. I did speak with the customer today & she said everything was perfect. But I want to try what you said.

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Posted By: hurban30
Date Posted: May 28, 2008 at 6:10 AM
Does anyone know if the 4.00 firmware resolved the issue?





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