valet 561t remote start, 95 monte carlo

Hello,

I was hoping someone could give me a hand.  I don't usually tackle installs like this (electrical) so I don't always seem to understand what the directions are directing me to do.  So far the install has been going very smoothly, thankfully.  I do have a question on 3 wires though.  I will post exactly what is says in the install manual:

This remote start, Valet Model 561T is being installed on a 1995 Chevy Monte Carlo Z34.

H1/4 WHITE/ Blue (-) remote start activation input

This input comes from the factory set to 2 activation pulses.  This means that it is necessary to have 2 consecutive ground pulses on the WHITE/ blue wire for the remote start to activate or to deactivate.

NOTE: When the activation pulse count can be programmed to 1,2 or 3 pulses.

----------- Then it shows a picture of a momentary switch with one wire leading to ground and the other to the activation imput.  What does this wire do?  And where do I wire it in? 

H1/6 WHITE/ Red (+) Activation Input

This input comes from the factory set 2 activation pulses.  This means that it is necessary to have 2 consecutive 12v pulses on the WHITE/ blue wire for the remote start to activate or deactivate.

NOTE: When the activation pulse count can be programmed to 1,2, or 3 pulses.

----------This shows the same thing as the one above; a picture of a momentary switch with on end leading to ground, and the other leading to the WHITE/ blue activation input.  ???????

H1/3 Yellow (+) ignition output to RF System

As an add-on to an after market security system: If connected, disconnect the ignition/accessory input of the remote controlled security or keyless entry system.  Connect H1/3 Yellow ignition output to the ignition/accessory input of the remote controlled security or keyless entry system.  The wire will prevent the host system from sensing that the ignitio is on during remote start operation. 

-------- I don't have an aftermarket alarm, and as far as I can tell I don't have a factory alarm, unless you consider VATS a factory alarm.  What do I do with this wire. 

Finally I found a list online that suggests my year car with VATS needs a resistor installed somewhere in the system to act as though there was a key installed during remote start application.  Can I get a radio shack resistor or does it require a special one, and how do I know what resistor value my key is.  Can/Will The dealer tell me?

Any help would be greatly appreciated,

Dan

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

All three of the wires you talk about do not need to be hooked up to anything.  The first two listed are activation inputs that you can use to activate the remote starter either with your factory keyless entry system, an aftermarket alarm (using one of the auxillary outputs, or by some other method, such as a timer module or automatic temperature sensor (will automatically start the car when the temperature drops below a certain level.)  The yellow wire is only necessary when you have an aftermarket alarm installed in the car.  Most aftermarket alarms have a wire that will sense when the ignition is powered up, and will set the alarm off.  When installing the remote starter on a car equipped with an aftermarket alarm, you would hook the wire from the alarm that senses the ignition being on to that yellow wire from the DEI unit.  This will prevent the alarm from triggering when the remote starter is activated, but udner normal conditions, when the car isn't remote started, will still provide protection from someone trying to start the car when the alarm is activated.

As far as the VATS bypass goes, you can pick up a resistor at Radio Shack that will work for you.  To measure the resistance, using a digital multimeter,set to ohms, place one lead on each side of the "chip" in the key shaft.  It is simply a resistor, and you should get a measurement on your meter.  Find a resistor that matches as closely as you can, and you're in business.  You can bypass the VATS system in two ways, one of which I wouldn't suggest, as it will permanently disable the VATS system.  The other way will only bypass during remote start.  If you do a google search for VATS bypass, you should be able to find the appropriate wiring diagrams on how to bypass the system correctly.  If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.

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Joe Lubinski
MECP Certified Installer
Midway Car Center
1776 Middlesex Street
Lowell, MA 01851
(978) 454-1230

midwaycarcenter wrote:

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All three of the wires you talk about do not need to be hooked up to anything.

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Sorry, to 'step on toes' here but this is incorrect. The 561T does not come with remotes, it is an add-on starter that needs some type of trigger to turn on. As you posted the yellow would be used if the vehicle had an aftermarket alarm in it and the WHITE/ blue would be used if you wanted to activate the system with a negative trigger source.

Assuming your Monte has keyless entry from the factory (as indicated by the fact you are trying to install a 561T) you would need to hook the WHITE/ red H1/6 wire to the wire that goes to a door lock actuator's lock leg. The correct wire in your particular car is a gray wire that rests at ground and goes to positive when the door lock actuator is moving to the locked position (normally located near the driver's kick panel in the harness that runs into the door). This is how the system will activate. DEI systems comes preprogrammed for a 2 pulse setup. I normally set the 561T systems to require 3 pulses, most (not all) factory keyless systems will honk on the second and third press of the lock button and I find that most vehicle owner's almost always press lock twice to hear the confirmation honk so I set the unit to require 3 pulses.

If you take a look through the forums you will find several posts on bypassing the VATS, here is a diagram that the12volt posted some time ago:
[URL]https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=237[/URL]

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Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.

Dan, you need to connect the WHITE/ red (+) activation input to the drivers doorlock actuator wire. It will read +12v when you lock the car with the remote (and the switch on the door). The wire will be grey and can be found in the drivers door boot.
Don't worry about the WHITE/ blue or yellow wires.

Joe, the 561T is an add-on remote start. It does not come with remotes.

**EDIT** I type too slow. Everything already said above.

Guys,

Thanks for the help and quick responses.  It all makes sense... Hopefully I will have some time to finish the job today so I can post some results.  I have to hit up this forum more often!  Stay tuned........

Dan

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

Well,

The project seems to be going alright but I ran into a couple of minor issues....

First off, when testing the resistance of the chip in my key, it read 2.98ohms @ 20K on my DVOM.  Went to radio shack,... the guys was very helpful but I am not quite sure he gave me the right resistors.  He gave me two packs of resistors, one small one large,... i believe one was 1/2 watt, and other package was 1 watt.  Anyway, he told me they were 10K ohms and to use two in series.  Is this possible? 

Having a little trouble finding the tach wire.... my diagram says it is white,... I am not sure of the location of the wire, and if its where I think it is in the engine compartment,... its covered in grease.  That should be fun tomorrow.  Are there any other locations I can connect this wire to other than the Waste Spark Ignition Module itself?

There is a blue wire that puts out a 200ma when the remote start starts the car.  This wire is used for the rear defroster.  I have been going nuts trying to figure out what wire this thing goes to to trigger the rear defroster.  I went so far as to pull apart the heater controls to see what was leading to the defroster relay inside... no luck.  Does anyone have any idea what wire or where, or how I connect this up??

That seems to be it,.... hopefully I will be able to give it a run sometime tomorrow.... thanks in advance for the help guys,

Dan

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

Please view above post too.....

Is it possible/accurate to pull the tach wire from the cluster.  I haven't checked it with my DVOM yet to see if its AC Voltage, but if it is would that be a good source?

Dan

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

It appears I hit a bump in the road this morning.  Got everything all pluged in.  Left the key in the ignition.  The unit powers up, I hear a click like its getting ready to start, and then.... nothing. Nothing happens. 

1.  When testing the system will leaving the key in the ignition do anything (allow it to start) or MUST I have the resistors in place.

2.  The tach wire to the tachometer reads 2.5-6V AC depending on how hard I punch the throttle... can I use this wire (I am currently using it, can I continue to use it) for my tach wire?

3.  What else could be causing the symptoms I am experiencing?

DG

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

I posted this in my last topic, but I haven't gotten any responses.  Hopefully it my question has just been overlooked and its not that nobody has the answer.  (that would be my luck)  It appears I hit a bump in the road this morning.  Got everything all pluged in.  Finally got the correct resistors, which measured out at 1/2Watt, 2.96Ohms, as opposed to the key which is measured at 2.98ohms.  Upon pressing the lock button twice, the remote start unit powers up, I hear a click like its getting ready to start, and then.... nothing. Nothing happens. 

This is what I am wondering:

The car is a 1995 Chevy Monte Carlo Z34.  The tach wire to the tachometer reads 2.5-6V AC depending on how hard I punch the throttle... can I use this wire (I am currently using it, can I continue to use it) for my tach wire? Or is it shutting down my remote start?

Also, does anyone have a link to a VATS bypass (using resistors) setup, I want to make sure the way i set mine up is correct.  I did it right from the instructions, yet something just doesn't feel quite right.

Anyone got any other ideas....

DG

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

If it never attempts to start then I would not think it would be a tach issue,

I would look at the way you hooked up the vats relay, an easy way to make sure its not something in the vats system, is to remove the relay or whatever you have to bypass the vats and make it stock again, then try remote starting it with the key in the ign, it does not need to be turned on, just inserted into the slot..

OK,

ill give that a try and post back in a few.

DG

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

Alright,

Just went into the garage and disconnected the VATS bypass relay and set everything back to the way it was.  Car starts up fine with the key, but the remote start is still doing the same thing.  One thing I did notice is that it gets far enough that it turns the radio on shortly before it shuts itself right down again.  Its like it wants to turn over and then just abruptly stops.  This is so annoying!

DG

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS

are you sure you have the ign and accessory wires connected properly?? make sure you don't by accident use and accessory as a ign and vise versa, after that make sure you have the correct tach wire and it is programmed into the remote starter. The tach wire is a white wire at the coil. this is an easy very easy car btw..:)

I don't believe that leaving the key in the ignition in the off position on the VATS system will send the correct R value to the computer, I am pretty sure (not positive though) that the key would have to be in the run position.

If the RS system is not cranking at all then I would have to think your problem lies with the bypass installation you are using. For a quick test you could disconnect the VATS plug under the column, insert your resistor across the pins on the vehicle side of the unplugged connector. This would at least help to troubleshoot it. If the car starts with a key and the resistor inserted you know your R value is correct. Then move on to troubleshooting the RS. If you believe you may not have a correct tach signal, try setting the unit in voltage sensing mode. This will crank the starter for a preset amount of time and ignore any voltage on the tach wire. Once everything is working hook that tach back up, to the white wire at the coil like mentioned above.

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Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.

Most of you will laugh,... others will call me names....

I traced down all out of the book and it appears as though the Ground for the Park/Netural Safety switch was wired incorrectly.  Upon removing that wire and ground it the car remote started.  According to The12Volt, the ORANGE / black wire is the one it is supposed to be connected to.  Of course I look and there is no ORANGE / black wire.  Only an orange wire and a black wire.  Now there's a switch that comes with the setup.  I looked at the diagram and it shows that the switch is supposed to be used in between two wires... which ones, it doesn't seem to specify?  Not to sure where to connect this wire up to.

The only other wire remaining is the blue wire that puts out 200ma to accessories such as the rear defroster.  I have not been able to figure out how to use that wire as a trigger for the rear Defroster.... if anyone knows I will connect it up, otherwise i am willing to let it go at this point.  I am just glad the thing turned over remotely.... even if only once.

Thanks for bearing with me guys.... I think I may take a vacation from electronics for a while after this.

Dan

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1971 Chevelle SS
1989 Corvette
1996 Impala SS