window roll up w/xk01
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: window roll up w/xk01
Posted By: uglyb0b
Subject: window roll up w/xk01
Date Posted: January 10, 2008 at 12:01 AM
has anyone used the window roll up feature of the xk01 on GMs? seems like a pretty simple install, 1 relay, does it do it thru the databus? i did this with a trailblazer a few years ago and it didnt work that well. it wouldnt sense when the windows were up and turn the motor off; it seemed more like a time thing. and if voltages were slow and the window went up slower, they sometimes wouldnt close all the way. this wasnt a xk01 however so im wondering if it works the same/better?
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Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: January 10, 2008 at 3:03 PM
The relay is only needed on certain cars, fullsize GM trucks I believe.
I experimented with it on a couple of cars, with mixed results.
2000-2005 LeSabre. Worked very well. It puts up the two back windows first, and then the two front windows separately.
Cadillac CTS. Didn't work. Turned on the dash lights, turned on the radio at maximum volume for a second, and didn't do anything else.
I would maybe try out the next few cars you do without saying anything to the customer. If it works, tell him you did him a favor for free....if he doesn't like it, you can always program it off.
Then, after you feel sure that it works reliably, you could start selling it.
Posted By: customak47
Date Posted: January 10, 2008 at 5:17 PM
I've used it on almost all the trailblazers and full size chevy trucks I do, I use it as an exclusive selling feature, and the only time i have had problems with the windows not going up all the way is when the regulators get tired from wear and tear and there is resistance in the window rolling up from the switch. I have been using it since the part was the MULTI-DL or before. Omega's gm-dl3 did the window roll up as well, but I had problems with those taking a dump after a couple of years.
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Posted By: uglyb0b
Date Posted: January 10, 2008 at 11:01 PM
so can either of you tell - does the module stop the motor when the window is all the way up, or does it keep trying for a bit even after its up all the way?
back in the day i had a window module and it would stop the motor once the window was up (i guess it looked at current draw).
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: January 11, 2008 at 2:27 AM
how do you get it to work with the trailblazer does it work with the '08??
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 11, 2008 at 8:38 AM
im sure most window modules have a pot on them so you can adjust the resistance the units sees when the window motor can no longer move (as it rolls up) and stops
Posted By: GregK
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 11:30 PM
I just did the window rollup feature of the XK01 on a 2007 Hummer H2. Works like a charm, no issues at all.
Now if I could just figure out why the heated seats are doing the on-off-on-repeat over and over dance I'd be a happy guy. Unplugging the XK01 solves it. Bah.
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: January 19, 2008 at 8:58 AM
GregK,
At what temperature are you having this heated seat issue? Maybe it's really close to 32 degrees Farenheit, the threshold for the XK01? Is the XK01 installed near a heater duct, where it might warm up after the car's heater comes on?
Posted By: GregK
Date Posted: January 19, 2008 at 10:43 PM
Chris Luongo wrote:
GregK,
At what temperature are you having this heated seat issue? Maybe it's really close to 32 degrees Farenheit, the threshold for the XK01? Is the XK01 installed near a heater duct, where it might warm up after the car's heater comes on?
The heated seats come on no matter what the temperature is. It's my understanding that the XK01 will turn them on when the vehicle is under remote start and the engine temperature is below 32 degrees. The problem is they come on even when you start the vehicle with the key, and the go on and off and at different settings.
3-5 minutes after starting and driving they'll come on on high, then go off, on medium, off, on high, off, on low, etc.. with about 30 seconds between each cycle. This happens whether the engine is cold or at operating temperature.
The module is located up below the cluster, not near any ducts or heat sources.
I replaced the XK01 with another today and the issue is still there. I was using AMDL ver6 at first and bypasskit sent me AMDL ver5.02b to try, that didn't solve it. The replacement module went in with AMDL ver6, no change so I flashed it to the 5.02b and that didn't change anything either.
I'm thinking I'm going to end up going to an idatalink module to solve this, which really sucks because I sold the customer the window rollup which is only available on the XK01. :(
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: January 20, 2008 at 12:17 PM
Is it possible that either
A) the XK01's brown wire is intermittently shorting to ground, or
B) your remote starter's ground-when-running wire leaks a little ground at all times, or
C) you're using your ground-when-running wire for other features too, and haven't used diode(s)?
Couldn't hurt to leave the XK01 installed, but cut only the brown wire (leave everything else in place), start the engine with the key, and see what happens.
Posted By: GregK
Date Posted: January 20, 2008 at 3:49 PM
The brown wire isn't even in the harness, I removed it. The XK01 is connected D2D to an Autostart AS6850 2-way alarm/start combo.
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Posted By: GregK
Date Posted: January 22, 2008 at 10:49 PM
Another update, and this is killing me.
I reset the Autostart AS-6850TW-FM completely and took the truck for a ride before I reprogrammed it. The heated seats never came on for over an hour of driving.
I programmed the RS to recognize the remote, and that's all I did. Took it it for another ride and the heated seats came on within a minute and started cycling again.
I'm thinking the RS unit is the culprit here, but I could be wrong.
So, what should I try first, swapping the RS brain or going to W2W instead of D2D?
I'm inclined to just do both, most of you know what a pain it is to take the dash apart on the Hummer. But if I do that I'll never really know what fixed it, if it does fix it of course.
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GDK Electronics
Home theatre & mobile electronics installations
Winnipeg, MB
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: January 23, 2008 at 9:06 AM
GregK] wrote:
o, what should I try first, swapping the RS brain or going to W2W instead of D2D?
This would be my suggestion. If I remember correctly I read somewhere that the D2D connections can sometimes be unreliable. I believe it was in reference to an Audiovox piece but I would definitely suggest trying the W2W. ------------- Installer, IT support, and FFL. I need less hobbies.
Posted By: hottwhyrd
Date Posted: January 23, 2008 at 12:18 PM
has anyone here checked directechs about these xk01s? they want u to diode isolate the brown (status) wire (of course only if u have problems) they want u to hook up the factory disarm wire ( but only if the car doesnt disarm upon unlock) and if u got flip/flop +/- door locks then u need to isolate those too. pretty sweet deal! the windows part rocks tho!!! i only use it on gm trucks but will this work on most gm cars too?
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: January 25, 2008 at 12:28 PM
customak47 wrote:
I've used it on almost all the trailblazers and full size chevy trucks I do, I use it as an exclusive selling feature, and the only time i have had problems with the windows not going up all the way is when the regulators get tired from wear and tear and there is resistance in the window rolling up from the switch. I have been using it since the part was the MULTI-DL or before. Omega's gm-dl3 did the window roll up as well, but I had problems with those taking a dump after a couple of years.
how did u get itto work with the trailblazer. im doing an 08 and when i looked up the install(Firmware AMDL6.0) maual it says window roll up for type 4 only and the trailblazer is a type 1?
can it still be done and what controls the windows the aux from the remote or when the lock is held??
please let me know and any other info u have on the 08 trailblazer
thank you
Posted By: Chris Luongo
Date Posted: January 26, 2008 at 8:45 AM
carguy411,
As stated in the manual, it's the relay that's required for Type 4 vehicles. The others have window rollup too, but simply don't require the relay.
To roll up the windows, the customer would press lock on the aftermarket transmitter, twice. When the XK01 sees two pulses on its green wire, it rolls up the windows.
Note that you need to install a system that allows the user to lock the doors by remote over and over again. If the system allows you to lock the doors only one time, then you'd want to connect some kind of auxilary output to the XK01's green wire as well.
P.S. Haven't personally tried the window rollup feature in a Trailblazer. All of the above statements are from other GM cars, but it should be similar.
Posted By: GregK
Date Posted: January 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM
Window rollup is now gone on the 07 Hummer. :(
The XK01 just wouldn't play nice with the heated seats no matter what so I exhanged it for an idatalink ADS-DL and everything works perfectly now.
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GDK Electronics
Home theatre & mobile electronics installations
Winnipeg, MB
Posted By: carguy411
Date Posted: January 26, 2008 at 12:56 PM
Chris Luongo wrote:
carguy411,
As stated in the manual, it's the relay that's required for Type 4 vehicles. The others have window rollup too, but simply don't require the relay.
To roll up the windows, the customer would press lock on the aftermarket transmitter, twice. When the XK01 sees two pulses on its green wire, it rolls up the windows.
Note that you need to install a system that allows the user to lock the doors by remote over and over again. If the system allows you to lock the doors only one time, then you'd want to connect some kind of auxilary output to the XK01's green wire as well.
P.S. Haven't personally tried the window rollup feature in a Trailblazer. All of the above statements are from other GM cars, but it should be similar.
ok thanks i understand now. well i guess when i get it ill see what happensif itwill work
do you know if it matters what level trim of the car or is it all trailblazers etc..
Posted By: lokel
Date Posted: January 27, 2008 at 9:28 PM
Just curious if you have your old passlock 2 module hooked up still. With the xk01 AMDL 6 this feature is built in sending signal through data wire. I had to disconnect my old passlock 2 right out because of conflicts.
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