remote start crank only viper
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Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 4:40 AM
Topic: remote start crank only viper
Posted By: jonb2
Subject: remote start crank only viper
Date Posted: January 12, 2008 at 8:03 PM
Hello,
In the process of installing Hornet 564t (Viper) and having a problem with remote start. Have everything hooked up but everytime I try to remote start, my vehicle (2000 4runner) turns over for a couple seconds but will not start. It does this several times as the alarm tries to restart again. I have programmed the Tach learn and it appears to be working correctly.
Next I put key in ignition (off position) and tried remote start...same thing crank only
Next I turned key to acc position and tried remote start..same thing crank only.
Finally I turned key to on postion and tried remote start...This time it started right up!
So any idea what's going on here? I'm stumped and frustrated and really want to solve this problem without taking it into alarm shop if possible. thank you.Jon
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Posted By: labe0202
Date Posted: January 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM
Check your ignition or accessory wires, something is not getting powered that needs to be. Maybe you missed a wire, or one of the wires was cold-soldered.
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 12, 2008 at 10:16 PM
you've got the following wires connected correctly?
Ignition 1 BLACK/ RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Ignition 2 BLACK / YELLOW (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Accessory 1 BLUE/RED (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Starter 1 GREEN/ BLACK (+) IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Posted By: techman93
Date Posted: January 12, 2008 at 10:30 PM
anti theft light on dash possibly. Did you see a ring around ignition key cylinder? It is an RF based transponder and will need a bypass if that is the case.
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The wire I'm test'n isn't doin' what it's supposed to be doin'... I am so glad I printed that tech sheet, with the wrong info.
Do it right the first time... or I might have to fix it for ya
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 13, 2008 at 12:39 AM
Thanks for the responses...I think that maybe the ignition wires are reversed as mentioned. I hooked up the BLACK / YELLOW as ignition 1 and BLACK/ Red as ignition 2 because the Toyota wiring diagram showed B/Y as ig1 and B/R as Ig2 but that might not mean the same thing for alarm hookups. I will switch the wires in the morning and see if that makes any difference.
I don't believe it needs a bypass as I had a regular spare key made at home depot a couple weeks ago and it starts up the truck just fine. To my knowledge there is no other antitheft on the vehicle--just keyless entry.
thanks for the help,Jon
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 13, 2008 at 7:26 PM
Well I switched the two ignition wires and it was like a miracle! Everything worked perfectly. I still am not sure how you know which wire was the primary and which was the secondary ignition but I'm really happy now that my first install is complete and successful..
I have to give credit to all the professional installers who really know their stuff. This was a difficult install for me with a few problems along the way but all worked out ok with the help of some great advice on this forum. Thanks again,Jon
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 10:45 AM
Well I guess I spoke a little too soon! Everything works fine except the climate control. On remote start, the blower motor will not turn on. The radio turns on fine but the heater will not. I connected acc wire (orange) on alarm to blue wire at ignition switch. Any ideas?
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 11:56 AM
Ignition wires are identified as wires that are 12vdc when the key is in the "on" and "crank" position Accessory wires are identified as wires that are 12vdc when the key is in the "on" position ONLY. They will read 0vdc in the "crank" position. There is no 'primary' or 'secondary' wires - ignition 1 and ignition 2, and so on are all of equal importance and you need to make sure ALL ignition wires are receiving 12vdc during the crank portion of starting. You can usually get away with wiring a accessory as an igntion wire but you can rarely get away with wiring an igniton wire as an accessory. For your climate control, you most likely missed an accessory wire. The BEST way to find the correct wires is with a volt meter. There are only a handful of wires going to the ignition switch - check each one. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 12:14 PM
Thanks for the response.. The climate control works fine under normal driving conditions. However,on remote start, there is no heat if I turn on the blower switch. Also the gauges, speedometer, odometer, etc do not turn on when in remote start. Now when I put the key in, turn it to the on position (vehicle still on remote start) --the gauges turn on as they should and the blower works fine. That sounds really strange?? I know the ignition wires are hooked up correctly because I already messed that up yesterday by reversing the connections and the engine would not start. Now it starts up fine. The radio turns on on remote start up so I would think the orange accessory wire is hooked up correctly. Any ideas. thank you
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 12:29 PM
Thats strange, switching your ign 1 and your ign 2 shouldn't have any effect. I would make sure both ign 1 and ign 2 are actually getting power during crank and start. You could have a bad relay or something. A test you could do is turn the key to the "ON" positon. Turn the blower on so air is blowing out. Now, crank the car and see if the blower stops working while the starter is cranking. If it doesn't blow air while cranking there is an accessory wire you need (there could be more then one), if it still blows air then you need to check your igniton wires (there could be 3). ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 3:32 PM
Ok I'm really stumped now!  Just went out to test the system again. The vehicle remote starts fine but the climate control, digital odometer, speedo, fuel gauge, in fact all gauges do not work almost like there is no power to them. Then, I put key in ignition, turn to on position and now everything works...turn key off and take out key...remote start is still going but all the gauges and blower turn off again. When u remote start, are all the dash gauges supposed to turn on automatically and stay on just as if you had used the key and turned to on position? Help please.
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 4:14 PM
What it sounds like to me is you may have a bad ignition 2 output from the R/S...most Toyotas I've seen power the blower, gauges, etc. off of an ignition and not an accessory circuit. Meter the ignition 2 where the heavy gauge wire plugs in and see if it shows 12v+ with the remote start running. Also I'm not familiar with every new Viper product, but does your manual say anything about the wire being programmable for ignition, accessory, or start? ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
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Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 4:40 PM
Thanks for the reply Chris..I will check out the ign2 wire voltage when I get home. Would the remote start still function if the ign2 wire was bad? The manual allows the ign2 wire to function as ignition or accessory. Default is set for ignition. As a test I switched it over to accessory mode but it made no difference if that means anything.
Posted By: ralphtonka
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 6:01 PM
you powered the wrong acc wire , in prev post you said radio came on, radio not required for rs double check your acc wire.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 6:29 PM
It is very possible that the remote start would still function if one of the outputs was bad. This is most likely why things changed when you swapped the ignition wires - again, there is NO difference between ignition one and igntion two - they both get voltage at the exact same time in a remote start system, so swapping ign1 with ign2 should NOT change anything. If it does, you most likely have a bad output or a wrong wire. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 6:54 PM
did you connect both red and the RED / white from the relay satellite pack to +12V constant?
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 7:08 PM
Thanks Kevin. I will try to test the wires tonite when I get home. If one of the ignition wires is bad on the remote start, can I just connect the good ignition wire to both the Ign1 and Ign2 on the vehicle?
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 8:58 PM
No, you can not connect one output to two seperate ignition feeds. If the alarm has a programmable 3rd ignition output or some something like that, use that. If it doesn't, you can use the one good relay to trigger two new relays (one to each ign wire). ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 9:45 PM
Thanks for the reply. Well I tested the 2nd ign wire on the remote start and it does NOT read any voltage under remote start. Because of that it's not supply anything to the wire that controls the blower, a/c, gauges, etc. I think this is the problem as has been pointed out. I don't know why this happened but I believe that's the problem.
As an idea...what about connecting the orange accessory wire from the remote start to the 2nd ign wire at the ignition switch (assuming the accessory wire works!)? Would that solve the problem and supply voltage under remote start?
thanks,Jon
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 10:09 PM
I wouldn't recomend that - you will still need an accessory wire. It seems like it would work though, but I would do it right. Viper alarms have full warranties, take it back and get one that works right. ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 14, 2008 at 11:07 PM
another-kelly wrote:
did you connect the two red wires and the RED / white from the relay satellite pack to +12V constant?
WELL??
KPierson wrote:
Viper alarms have full warranties, take it back and get one that works right.
only if sold AND installed by an authorized DEI dealer. joe schmoe gets no warranty if he does it on his own
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 15, 2008 at 12:01 AM
I connected both red wires from the relay satellite pack to +12V but did not connect the RED / white wire as I thought that was optional if needed to power something else. Should I connect the RED / white?
Posted By: another-kelly
Date Posted: January 15, 2008 at 12:37 AM
connect the RED / white and you should be good to go. it's not optional anymore, they just forgot to mention that
Posted By: vutekho
Date Posted: January 15, 2008 at 2:22 PM
another-kelly wrote:
connect the RED / white and you should be good to go. it's not optional anymore, they just forgot to mention that
That is correct. The RED / white 12V wire provides power for the 2nd ignition output. If you have a car that does not have a 2nd ignition, THAN, the wire is optional or not used. Goodluck
Posted By: jonb2
Date Posted: January 15, 2008 at 7:15 PM
Well after all that work you are correct!...the RED / white wire is REQUIRED as I have 2nd ignition wire (gee all it says is optional in the manual so what else is new). Some of these installation instructions suck--there is no substitute for experience I guess.
Connected the RED / white as instructed to +12v this morning and everything came alive as it should--gauges, climate, everything on remote start. So now I have all the ignition wires connected, the accessory wire connected, and the power wires connected all to the right places. Soldered all these connections and wrapped...
I sure hope this is the end...and thank you all again for the great support and advice.
Jon
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