cannot manually start 1999 tahoe
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: cannot manually start 1999 tahoe
Posted By: djkurious
Subject: cannot manually start 1999 tahoe
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 10:47 AM
I have a 1999 Tahoe with a RS-860LCD remote start alarm that has just replaced a Autopage 720LCD remote start alarm. The original 720 was installed by my local dealer. To save money, I researched the connectors and they are still compatible with each other and are direct fits. I connected all the wires and harnesses together and now the truck will remote start with the remote, but not start with the key in the ignition. Every other feature with the alarm works perfectly. I'm not sure if this is a Passlock issue or not. Any advice on this issue?
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Posted By: brcidd
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 10:54 AM
is your truck's yellow starter wire interupted by a relay- perhaps you are not programmed to control that relay properly with your new unit...........
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Brcidd - Engineer That Does Remote Starter Installs on the side.
Posted By: rhd180
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM
does your starter from the remote start have a starter kill relay wired in? if so, your connections from the relay to the starter wire on the vehicle are switched
Posted By: djkurious
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 10:57 AM
brcidd wrote:
is your truck's yellow starter wire interupted by a relay- perhaps you are not programmed to control that relay properly with your new unit...........
I will check that as soon as I get home and post the results.
Posted By: hottwhyrd
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 12:42 PM
actually do u have "security" written on ur dash when you start it with the key? if you do then the interface may need programming. but check your started kill first
Posted By: Twelvoltz
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 12:46 PM
Also make sure the system is unlocked/disarmed. I am not familiar with the Autopage line but with the DEI product I use...the starter kill is active when the system is locked.
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Posted By: djkurious
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 1:08 PM
Twelvoltz wrote:
Also make sure the system is unlocked/disarmed. I am not familiar with the Autopage line but with the DEI product I use...the starter kill is active when the system is locked.
Well I do know that I do disarm the system to get in to attempt to start it. just to be sure I will check on this as soon as I get home today.
Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 2:51 PM
this may be a dumb question, but when you say that it wont start with the key in the ignition, do you mean that you cant start the truck with the key, or you cant remote start it with the key in the ignition?
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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 3:37 PM
autopage, their systems activate a GROUND WHEN ARMED to do a starter kill. so like DEI, the starter kill is active once you arm it. If you want to see if you have a starter kill, get inside the car, arm it, wait 10 seconds then try to start. If it doesnt crank at all, you got a starter kill relay wired somewhere. or arm your car and try to remote start. if it doesn start, you wired the start output befor the relay (key side) and you must go to the other side (solenoid/motor side)
Posted By: djkurious
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 3:48 PM
offroadzj wrote:
this may be a dumb question, but when you say that it wont start with the key in the ignition, do you mean that you cant start the truck with the key, or you cant remote start it with the key in the ignition?
No question is dumb! What I meant was i cannot start the car manually with the key as if I didn't have a remote start or alarm. Now if I reach under the dash and unplug the Autopage unit, it starts with the key as normal. If plug it back up and try to start it with the key, It will not start with the key. I have to remote start it.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 5:14 PM
rhd180 wrote:
does your starter from the remote start have a starter kill relay wired in? if so, your connections from the relay to the starter wire on the vehicle are switched
This gets my vote. Based on the info you gave of unplugging the alarm, and it starts right up. Just wondering..... what type of bypass did you use? -------------
Posted By: djkurious
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 5:29 PM
brcidd wrote:
is your truck's yellow starter wire interupted by a relay- perhaps you are not programmed to control that relay properly with your new unit...........
I have checked and there is no interruption from the yellow wire.
Posted By: djkurious
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 5:38 PM
KarTuneMan wrote:
rhd180 wrote:
does your starter from the remote start have a starter kill relay wired in? if so, your connections from the relay to the starter wire on the vehicle are switched
This gets my vote. Based on the info you gave of unplugging the alarm, and it starts right up. Just wondering..... what type of bypass did you use?
Ok the alarm does come with a starter interrupt built-in, which basically is what I think is keeping the truck from starting when I turn the key. I have no idea what type of bypass method they used when installing the original alarm. When installing the Autopage 860, I just plugged in the same connector since its the same brand. If they used a bypass kit, I have not seen it under the dash. Could they have used the inexpensive resistor type bypass? If so, where would it be located?
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 18, 2008 at 9:48 PM
i dont remember if they have an output to dive a relay or is it like DEI where the starter kill is built into the relay pack. well also since autopage is an autopage, make sure the plugs have similar wiring. try lookinf on the autopage unit for a GROUND WHEN ARMED. if you spot that wire, cut it, and see if you can start the car when you still arm it.
Posted By: djkurious
Date Posted: January 19, 2008 at 9:09 AM
tedmond wrote:
i dont remember if they have an output to dive a relay or is it like DEI where the starter kill is built into the relay pack. well also since autopage is an autopage, make sure the plugs have similar wiring. try lookinf on the autopage unit for a GROUND WHEN ARMED. if you spot that wire, cut it, and see if you can start the car when you still arm it.
This solved it!  I tried to locate the "ground when armed" wire (Orange) and all I could locate was ground when disarmed wire (ORANGE / White). I cut this wire, tried to start the truck with the key, and it started. So this was a key to me that the orange ground when armed wire is somewhere. I finally located the wire and it was next to the ORANGE / white wire. The reason I never noticed the wire is because the manual states it's orange, but it is a shade away from being pink!  So, when I initially replaced the alarm from the 720 to the 860, I reversed the wires and that was causing the truck to not start with the key. Everything is tested and now it starts with the key and remote start. Thanks everyone for your time and input!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 19, 2008 at 1:15 PM
i guess you or previous person who wired in the starter kill wired it as normally open starter kill. best way is normally closed. well nice to know you got it working. double chcking always helps 
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