clutch bypass for 2007 hyundai accent gs
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Topic: clutch bypass for 2007 hyundai accent gs
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Subject: clutch bypass for 2007 hyundai accent gs
Date Posted: February 04, 2008 at 8:56 PM
Hello everybody!
Anyone know what kind of clutch switching system I have
in my 2007 Hyundai Accent GS?
Which wire am I connecting my "Ground Out
When Running" wire to?
Thanks a bunch in advance folks!
Mike
Replies:
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 04, 2008 at 9:05 PM
What kind of system are you installing
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 6:29 AM
It's a crappy tire Prostart CT-3260 for manual transmission. Thanks a bunch! - Mike
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 9:08 AM
Send a negative start signal to the BLACK/ orange at the clutch switch. You also need to connect the posative start at the harness.
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Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 10:08 AM
Sorry KarTuneMan... you lost me there! So, my GOWR go to BLACK/ orange @ clutch but what is that your saying about about positive at harness? Are you saying I've got to connect 2 clutch wires to my RS unit?? Thanks, Mike
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 2:16 PM
no, send a negative start signal (on the prostart set it for 5th relay ignition 3 output (-) ) then also connect the 12v start wire at ignition harness.
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 2:25 PM
You can use the gwr wire that will be okay. But if you have a neg start pulse that would be better but both will work fine
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 8:42 PM
ok guys... I'm just a little slow.
So are you saying I have a positive clutch and
my starter wire from my RS has to be hooked up to
the clutch. And if that's the case, I'm assuming
the RS starter wire does NOT get hooked up to
my car's ignition harness.
OR
Are you just stating that... (like it says in the manual)
to hook up the RS starter output wire to starter wire in
my ignition harness.
Have I got 1 or 2 connections to make at my clutch?
Bypassing the clutch is my only question... everything
else is good to go.
Sorry for the confusion folks... just need it in
layman's terms.
Thanks again!
Mike
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 05, 2008 at 9:42 PM
White wire from prostart to BLACK/ orange at clutch switch and purple from prostart to white wire in the ignition harness
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 8:06 AM
Perfect - thanks folks. Truly appreciate it! Mike
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 9:17 AM
chadwa2003 wrote:
You can use the gwr wire that will be okay. But if you have a neg start pulse that would be better but both will work fine
You cannot use GWR. It must act just like the (POS)+ start output, only negative! GWR will fire the starter, and hold it engaged for the entire runntime (ground out while running) think about it. -------------
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 9:19 AM
chadwa2003 wrote:
White wire from prostart to BLACK/ orange at clutch switch and purple from prostart to white wire in the ignition harness
This will work provided the white is a negative start output, and the purple is the pos. start output. and NONE are ground while running. -------------
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 8:09 PM
KarTuneMan,
First, let me say I appreciate your help sssooo much!
From what your saying though - it sounds like you want me
to bypass my clutch only while the starter's cranking???
I need it to stay bypassed while the car's in idle too.
Am I missing something here???
The start wire from the RS is firing up the start wire to
my ignition harness... I just need it to think my clutch
is depressed. Why does something so simple seem so
complicated?
I did this to my 5spd 1989 Celica. - GWR to one wire on
the clutch switch and was good to go! I just wanted to be
sure my 2007 Accent had the same type clutch system.
I'm confused!?!?
Thanks again.
Mike
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 8:35 PM
Mike_89gts wrote:
KarTuneMan,
First, let me say I appreciate your help sssooo much!
From what your saying though - it sounds like you want me
to bypass my clutch only while the starter's cranking???
I need it to stay bypassed while the car's in idle too.
Am I missing something here???
The start wire from the RS is firing up the start wire to
my ignition harness... I just need it to think my clutch
is depressed. Why does something so simple seem so
complicated?
I did this to my 5spd 1989 Celica. - GWR to one wire on
the clutch switch and was good to go! I just wanted to be
sure my 2007 Accent had the same type clutch system.
I'm confused!?!?
Thanks again.
Mike
Ooops - I just realized that the car's in neutral so
the clutch doesn't need to seem depressed the entire
time the car's running under RS - duh me!
Still confused though! LOL
Mike
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 06, 2008 at 11:28 PM
Just work slow and pay attention. The info given is spot on. It will work Do you see and understand how a GWR won't work? -------------
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 07, 2008 at 10:29 AM
KarTuneMan wrote:
chadwa2003 wrote:
You can use the gwr wire that will be okay. But if you have a neg start pulse that would be better but both will work fine
You cannot use GWR. It must act just like the (POS)+ start output, only negative! GWR will fire the starter, and hold it engaged for the entire runntime (ground out while running) think about it.
The ground out when running will work fine all the gwr is doing is triggering the start relay which will allow the pos start wire at the ign switch to crank the starter. It will not constantly crank the starter just hold the start relay active and it will only crank the starter when 12 volts is applied to the start wire. All you are doing is temporarily bypass the clutch during run time. What you are saying kartuneman is that if you start the car with the car and hold the clutch in then the car will continue to crank. That is not the case. The best way to test is to temporarily connect the BLACK/ orange wire at the clutch switch to ground, make sure it is not in gear and start the car with the key. You will then see whether or not you will be able to use the gwr wire.
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 07, 2008 at 7:59 PM
What you are saying kartuneman is that if you start the car with the car and hold the clutch in then the car will continue to crank. That is not what I am saying. If you trigger a relay wioth ground while running......it will be a latched trigger. -------------
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 07, 2008 at 9:59 PM
Either way it will not affect the car. Yes the most correct method is to use a relay and trigger it with gwr and a start signal but it is not neccessary
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 07, 2008 at 10:01 PM
OK  -------------
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 07, 2008 at 10:04 PM
I just don't see why you are making so difficult for this guy
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 08, 2008 at 8:53 AM
What's difficult about doing a job the right way? It's simple. The clutch is bypassed with a negative start signal on the blk/orange, and the starter output needs to go to the start on the harness. What is difficult about that? It's simple... this is the way to do the install. You have your thoughts, I have mine. It really doesn't matter to me if the guy gets it done one way or the other. -------------
Posted By: chadwa2003
Date Posted: February 08, 2008 at 9:38 AM
The only reason I suggest to use a gwr wire is because on some systems i've installed the neg start signal did not allow the car car to and the gwr running is what was used and it had no effect on the vehicle
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 08, 2008 at 10:22 AM
A start pulse is just that... a pulse (more or less) Ground while running is extended. It trigger before start, and remains on (for a second) after shut down. How are these the same? The bypass of this clutch with a GWR and a relay will engage the starter (only on remote start) and KEEP it engaged until the GWR signal is gone. How can you use a GRW, in place of a start signal? -------------
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 08, 2008 at 10:51 AM
I understand I could use a neg pulse to bypass the clutch as long as it lasts the full duration of the cranking but there's no harm keeping the clutch wire grounded the entire time!?!?
What do you mean "How can you use a GRW, in place of a start signal?"...
The start signal is sent via the ignition harness.
Think of it this way... If I were to sit in my car & depress the clutch to start it. I can keep the clutch down forever if I wanted to... as long as I stopped turning the key the starter would stop cranking even with my clutch depressed.
Mike
Posted By: KarTuneMan
Date Posted: February 08, 2008 at 10:54 AM
Using GWR, you also need to use the (POS)+ start out on the same relay. GWR on 86, (POS)+ start on 85. grond to 87, and 30 to your clutch. -------------
Posted By: 12voltexpert
Date Posted: February 08, 2008 at 9:26 PM
Just connect the clutch wire to the -alarm starter output. This way it only bypasses the clutch on r/s. If you use the ground when armed-running wire(GWR) and your car is in gear, then your car will just drive away forever. But if it only bypasses during the beginning of the r/s then as soon as the car moves it will die, due to the clutch not being depressed.
Posted By: Mike_89gts
Date Posted: February 09, 2008 at 4:59 AM
The GWR is on the RS unit itself and is only active when the car's running under RS.
I can't use GWR when my car's in gear because to put the RS unit in ready mode it's got to be in neutral w/ parking brake on.
Mike
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: February 09, 2008 at 3:02 PM
12voltexpert wrote:
Just connect the clutch wire to the -alarm starter output. This way it only bypasses the clutch on r/s. If you use the ground when armed-running wire(GWR) and your car is in gear, then your car will just drive away forever. But if it only bypasses during the beginning of the r/s then as soon as the car moves it will die, due to the clutch not being depressed.
Ok, there seems to be some confusion here and before anyone gets any dangerous ideas I should make something clear - electrically bypassing the clutch switch does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to the actual clutch on the car. In addition it is HORRIBLY DANGEROUS to use a remote start which is not designed for a manual trans. on a car that has one. That's not the case in this particular install - but some advice is being given which makes it sound like it'd be allright elsewhere. It is absolutely not. The reason the clutch start switch is on the car in the first place is to prevent starting in gear. On a manual trans remote start, the car won't start in gear due to the exit sequence(e-brake on, brake off, press the rs button, get out and close the door and the car shuts down) that the user must go through ensuring the car is in neutral. This makes the clutch switch unnecessary for safe remote starting - therefore it can be bypassed by the remote start. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
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