remote start, alarm, 04 buick rainier
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=102447
Printed Date: May 17, 2024 at 1:32 AM
Topic: remote start, alarm, 04 buick rainier
Posted By: gregbbb
Subject: remote start, alarm, 04 buick rainier
Date Posted: February 22, 2008 at 1:56 PM
Hi I have a viper 791xv and a fortin INS-SL bypass hooked up in a 2004 Buick rainier. My problem is battery drane, The fortin website says that older remote sarts will pulse the ground out while running wire even when the remote starter is not not in use thats what is happening to me. They say a way to fix that is with a relay but they dont go into much detail. Can someone please tell me how to fix this. Thank you!! Greg
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Posted By: sparkie
Date Posted: February 22, 2008 at 2:12 PM
Connect the ground out when running to terminal #85 of a relay, terminal #86 to a fused battery source, #30 to ground and #87 becomes your new ground out when running to connect to the bypass module. This should put enough of a load on the remote starter's ground out when running wire to eliminate the bypass from activating falsely. Make sure that if you are using the ground out when running for anything else, that you diode isolate each circuit.
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sparky
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 22, 2008 at 2:27 PM
What type of relay should i use? Size, amp wires. Thank you!! Greg
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 22, 2008 at 2:32 PM
Oh yeah Is that battery source allways on? Thanks!!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: February 22, 2008 at 7:14 PM
standard automotive relay, usually SPDT or SPST. you can fuse it at 5amp which only protects the relay. also the battery source is a constant 12v.
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 12:37 AM
I dont know much about this stuff but whould'nt a constant 12 volt relay cause a battery drain as well? Too bad you couldnt just use a diode on the ground while running wire So where can a guy get a relay that i need at a auto store, radioshack? Thanks
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 1:59 AM
The 12 volt constant on the relay won't draw current unless the g-w-r from your remote start is putting out a strong enough ground to activate the relay. What happens with the bypass is that it will activate with a fairly small amount of current on the g-w-r, say it's 10 mA or so. A relay takes around 150mA for example. If the remote start puts out a random ground pulse between 10 mA and 150 mA on that wire and it's going directly to the bypass, the bypass thinks that it's remote starting and will do all its usual things.
With the relay wired in nothing would happen there since the wire going to the bypass isn't getting any ground at all. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 6:56 AM
yeap chriswallace got it all, also the relay can be picked up at a local electronic store or radioshack. the relay is usally 7 bucks or so.
Posted By: audioman2007
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 9:42 AM
Yea Radioshack only sells SPST relays though (atleast in my area). I wish they sold the SPDT as well. Question for whoever knows the answer.... Is it possibly to blow out a relay in time? Im not talking about it being wired improperly, or too much current being ran through it... Im talking about normal wear and tear. Could a relay blow in time?
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 10:36 AM
Thanks For all the help!! Just one more thing should i buy a relay with a wire harness or just plug them into the relay? Thanks all!!!
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 11:36 AM
Audioman - yes it's possible and common to blow out a relay, just as you can any other mechanical component - the components inside can only move back and forth so much before breaking. Gregbbb - IMO it's a million times easier using one with a harness. No crimping or taping around the pins necessary, and I think it's harder to screw up - however if you can't find one with a harness easily it's not absolutely necessary. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: audioman2007
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 2:43 PM
All the relays I use I make without harnesses. The crimping and taping doesnt bother me at all. It is harder though to make and easier to mess up. Its also harder to replace the relay when it blows (obviously). I just dont want to spend the few bucks on a harness when I can use those few bucks on something else. I also like making the relays by hand. To me harnesses make the job too easy. Plus if you have an application where 2 wires need to go to 1 pin or whatever, Id rather do this without using a harness. But it is all up to you.
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 3:43 PM
ehh...my distributor charges 99 cents for a 5-wire harness...IMHO I'd use up more than $1.00 of time crimping.
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C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: audioman2007
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 5:24 PM
Well in that case since you can get them that cheap, send some my way 
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: February 23, 2008 at 9:12 PM
Check this out - seller's got some pretty decent stuff in the store if you're buying in bulk. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
My service is cheap, quick, and good - pick any two
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: February 24, 2008 at 9:56 AM
i remeber i got some off ebay for 99 cents as well when i got it in bulk. good person to deal with, quick too.
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 24, 2008 at 3:23 PM
Hi All!! I had a local mom and pop shop down the road install a viper remote start and alarm system. Later on I started not to like the xk01 bypass they installed(didnt like the with no key take over doors lock feature) so i did my reserch and bought a fortin INT-SL bypass that I decided to install myself. Once I had my 04 Buick rainier apart I noticed they didnt solder anything just strip, twist and tape. When I put the new bypass in I solderd what I could but the only thing that is left is the heavy gage wires in the steering column should I solder those in as well? Thanks!!
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: February 24, 2008 at 5:55 PM
they heavy gauge wire at the collumn is the ingiton and start wires. i suggest you might as well solder them since you got it open. you will end up soldering 3 - 5 wires and that should take no longer than 10 min.
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 24, 2008 at 6:07 PM
I dont know why they didnt. They should be solderd in right? Thanks
Posted By: techman93
Date Posted: February 24, 2008 at 6:19 PM
It depends on the installer or shop. My boss says that twist and tape is fine but I will say that soldering will be better. I solder when I can ,when he doesn't tell me to just twist and tape. I used to own my own shop and soldered in all connections except for the ground which is usually ring terminal crimped and bolted to a factory ground point. If I were you, I would solder.
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The wire I'm test'n isn't doin' what it's supposed to be doin'... I am so glad I printed that tech sheet, with the wrong info.
Do it right the first time... or I might have to fix it for ya
Posted By: gregbbb
Date Posted: February 24, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Wow thanks for calling me a idot!!
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