ignited performance push start button
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 18, 2024 at 3:08 AM
Topic: ignited performance push start button
Posted By: jarab621
Subject: ignited performance push start button
Date Posted: March 05, 2008 at 1:17 PM
Hi,
I received an Ignited performance push start button along with a 40amp SPST relay, and I am totally confused as to how the button and relay should be wired.
The button is illuminated, and the only thing I have been able to successfully wire is the ground and the 12v power source to the light source of the button using the ground and 12v source from the lighter (where the button will be mounted).
There are 4 connection points behind the push start button, 2 for the lamp/bulb and the other two to ignite the starter.
I assume one of the remaining connection points will be used to connect the button to a 12v source and the other to the 40amp relay, how can I properly wire the button to the relay? the instructions for the product are vague and recommend the following set up for the relay:
Using relay, you will have to connect:
-4 to 12 volt source
-3 to 87
30 to ground
86 to starter wire
85 to 12 volt
Is this correct? Is there a better and safer way of wiring the button to the relay?
Thanks.
Replies:
Posted By: jarab621
Date Posted: March 05, 2008 at 3:48 PM
Well I think I figured it out, It seems that the instructions provided by "Ignited Performance" are wrong. After reading several posts here and in other forums, I decided to change the way the relay was wired.
I wired the buttons's light source to the 12v source and ground from the lighter.
I then tapped a wire connecting the push start button to a 12v source(when key is in "ON" position) and connected the other source to the 40amp spst relay to post 86, post 85 to ground, post 87 tapped to starter wire at the ignition harness and post 30 to another 12v source(when key is in "ON" position)...
87- Starter
86- Push start button
85- Ground
30- 12v source
I have not tested the button yet, I have not plugged the battery back up and probably will not until tomorrow morning.
If anyone has a better idea for the relay wiring or any suggestions please post them. I am trying to find out if it will be possible to use another relay to disable the button from grinding the starter if a passenger inadvertently presses the push start button while the engine is running. Is this possible at all using a second relay?
Thanks.
Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: March 05, 2008 at 5:17 PM
that is the right way to do it. clarify for you so 85 - ignition
86 - ground - wire shows ground from push button when pressed.
87 - high current 12v
30 - to starter wire on car from the push button connect the 12v to ignition so it lights up when u turn the key to ON
and ground the other side.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: March 05, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Tedmund is correct but I have a question - If the starter detent spring in your ignition switch is OK, then why? You're just wasting your time when you start the car. N.B. Because I was taught that way, and its the way ALL car manufacturers do it, I've always used 86 as POS to coil and 85 as NEG, 30 is output or common when 87a is used.
Posted By: jarab621
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 3:28 AM
The way I wired it: The push start button has 4 inputs in the back, two are used for illumination and the other two to activate the starter. The two for the illumination were wired to the 12v source and ground of the lighter, the two that activate the starter were wired in the following manner: One to a 12v source when key is in "ON" position and the other one connected to a SPST 40a relay's 87. Then from the relay I wired 85 to ground, 87 to starter wire at the ignition harness and 30 to 12v source when in "ON" position. 87- to Starter
86- from Push start button
85- to Ground
30- to 2v source I know it is an extra step needed to start the car, but I like it and it individualizes my vehicle. Again, If anyone has a better idea for the relay wiring or any suggestions to better the functionality of the button please post them. I am still trying to find out if it will be possible to use another relay to disable the button from grinding the starter if a passenger inadvertently presses the push start button while the engine is running. Is this possible at all using a second relay? Thanks.
Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: March 06, 2008 at 9:21 AM
I would NOT wire the 30 contact of the relay to the ignition wire in the ignition harness. You should wire it direclty to the 12volt hot feed in the ignition column. With it wired the way you have it now every time you start the car you are going to pull large amounts of current through your ignition contact inside the switch. This can lead to burning up the contacts on the ignition switch. Push button start systems are lots of fun, even if only for looks. Mine actually saves me time because it cranks automatically. So, instead of holding the key in the "crank" postion for those 1.5 seconds or so I can be putting my seat belt on. I've saved at least 30 seconds of my life so far, and I'm looking forward to saving many, many more seconds over the next few years. :) ------------- Kevin Pierson
Posted By: danielbui23
Date Posted: May 25, 2008 at 11:09 PM
KPierson wrote:
I would NOT wire the 30 contact of the relay to the ignition wire in the ignition harness. You should wire it direclty to the 12volt hot feed in the ignition column. With it wired the way you have it now every time you start the car you are going to pull large amounts of current through your ignition contact inside the switch. This can lead to burning up the contacts on the ignition switch. Push button start systems are lots of fun, even if only for looks. Mine actually saves me time because it cranks automatically. So, instead of holding the key in the "crank" postion for those 1.5 seconds or so I can be putting my seat belt on. I've saved at least 30 seconds of my life so far, and I'm looking forward to saving many, many more seconds over the next few years. :)
I am sorry to Apply but I have always used "30" as my output "87" as my constant 12v "86" as my input and "85" as my ground..... never once have I had a problem! Prongs/post "87" and "30" are reversible when creating a turn-on relay! https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp click here and this is an example straight from this forum showing to use "30"
Posted By: danielbui23
Date Posted: May 25, 2008 at 11:11 PM
danielbui23 wrote:
KPierson wrote:
I would NOT wire the 30 contact of the relay to the ignition wire in the ignition harness. You should wire it direclty to the 12volt hot feed in the ignition column. With it wired the way you have it now every time you start the car you are going to pull large amounts of current through your ignition contact inside the switch. This can lead to burning up the contacts on the ignition switch. Push button start systems are lots of fun, even if only for looks. Mine actually saves me time because it cranks automatically. So, instead of holding the key in the "crank" postion for those 1.5 seconds or so I can be putting my seat belt on. I've saved at least 30 seconds of my life so far, and I'm looking forward to saving many, many more seconds over the next few years. :)
I am sorry to Apply but I have always used "30" as my output "87" as my constant 12v "86" as my input and "85" as my ground..... never once have I had a problem! Prongs/post "87" and "30" are reversible when creating a turn-on relay! https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page5.asp click here and this is an example straight from this forum showing to use "30"
sorry I meant it for the person right above the person I quoted!
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